Petition against new Supreme Court Internet Sales Tax decision that will affect ALL products.

[ScottP]

SCOTUS making an unconstitutional rewrite of the Constitution saying I have to keep track of 10,000 taxing bodies' laws is not possible.

Ya know, reading this made me think about something. There really isn't a law that says you have to collect taxes for all taxing jurisdictions. What that means is there is no law to enforce. A State or Taxing entity would have to first know about your business, second, have reasonable suspicion you were doing enough business in that state ($100,000 or more in SD for instance) to be qualified as a "substantial nexus", and they would have to take you to court to try and enforce it. Considering any business that is considered "small" is probably NOT doing $100K+ sales in every state, they would not meet the criteria for "substantial nexus". So most vape sites will probably be able to keep going the way they are.

Even if you did do enough business in a State to pay the state level taxes, I HIGHLY doubt many businesses would meet the requirements to collect taxes at the county, or city levels. This would mean a maximum of 50 States to deal with (assuming the few States that don't have sales tax, added one). I guess what I am getting at is we may be better off without a law being passed after all.

 

[ScottP]

May I ask why this is perceived as a (D) push?

It is perceived that way because historically the D's are the party of "tax and spend". They seem to think every problem could be solved if only they had more tax revenue. The R's tend to cut taxes or at least leave them the same. While the R's have occasionally raised taxes, I don't think anyone with a D has ever proposed a tax cut much less implemented one. I am pretty sure a D implementing a tax cut is one of the signs of the apocalypse.

 

[untar]

That has little to do with the SC decision though, you can't "reverse engineer" it to be a (D) project simply because the outcome was more taxes. A red state brought the case and the SC made the decision (as far as I can tell it's 4 rep appointed judges and 1 dem appointed one who voted in favor).

Btw I bet I only need 2 minutes of google to find a dem president signing a tax cut and a rep president increasing taxes
Yes, that means we're overdue for an apocalypse (I think I can already hear it rumbling)

 

[Chodi]

You will have a new judge with an R in the next three months. That will be more raw meat for the socialists.

 

[CMD-Ky]

They do seem to prefer "omnibus" or "comprehensive" legislation.

Seems like Congress spends a LOT of Time arguing over the 10% they Don't Agree with in a Bill. Then Passing Bills that just Include the 90% that they Do Agree with.

News Flash: Write Narrow Legislation.

But this is Probably starting to Teeter on an OUTSIDE Topic. So I'll just say that and step away.

 

[Myk]

It is perceived that way because historically the D's are the party of "tax and spend". They seem to think every problem could be solved if only they had more tax revenue. The R's tend to cut taxes or at least leave them the same. While the R's have occasionally raised taxes, I don't think anyone with a D has ever proposed a tax cut much less implemented one. I am pretty sure a D implementing a tax cut is one of the signs of the apocalypse.

JFK had major tax cuts.

You will have a new judge with an R in the next three months. That will be more raw meat for the socialists.

The one retiring wasn't exactly a staunch conservative and was appointed by Reagan. Judges don't have parties. *wink wink*
It would be nice if especially SCOTUS justices actually didn't have their predetermined affiliations and just judged based on the Constitution like they're supposed to. It's really not that hard to read and understand.

 

[stols001]

It's really not that hard to read and understand.

It is for politicians and judges apparently. I mean, I'm sure I'd find it hard to focus on the Constitution TOO if I asked my intern to explain it while dropping a pen and having said intern climb under the desk to retrieve it while also barking orders about.... other stuff.

That's a distracting situation.

Anna

 

[CMD-Ky]

JFK had major tax cuts...

Can you feature anyone from either party giving the speeches he gave in his three years as president?

 

[untar]

Can you feature anyone from either party giving the speeches he gave in his three years as president?

Who would do that, nobody wants to get shot

 

[Beamslider]

CA. If you buy something in person and have it shipped out of state, there is no sales tax. So confusing why they think something bought out of state should be taxed if shipped to you.

https://www.cdtfa.ca.gov/formspubs/pub101/

 

[Rossum]

CA. If you buy something in person and have it shipped out of state, there is no sales tax. So confusing why they think something bought out of state should be taxed if shipped to you.

https://www.cdtfa.ca.gov/formspubs/pub101/

Don't get me started on California. A bunch of years ago, the "Board of Equalization" was harassing me for my sales records to customers in their state, presumably so they could hit 'em up for Use Tax. My business is in PA and has no physical nexus in Cali at all. They sent letter after letter, which I promptly round-filed. When they finally managed to get a hold of me on the phone, I told them the only way I'd comply was if they got an order from a court that actually had jurisdiction, in other words either a Pennsylvania court or a Federal one. They left me alone after that. But now, at some point, I expect they'll be back...

 

[catilley1092]

The accounting requirements for someone like Amazon would be insane.

Amazon is already & has been collecting sales tax from North Carolina consumers from most vendors for at least three years. On the other hand, eBay sellers for the most part hasn't. Some eBay sellers who are located within our State won't sell items here, but will to the other 49. I don't understand the logic on that one.

Unless these Sellers are trying to beat the laws & with PayPal keeping tabs on transactions, don't see how this could play out well for them. That is, unless there's a part of the picture I'm not seeing. Maybe tax within but not the rest?

I've signed the eBay petition several months ago when posted on their site. Being I purchase not only vape related gear, also computer components & health/beauty items for my wife there (generally earn no less than $5 in eBay bucks every quarter), this will harm small business. Which has been touted for years as 'the driving force of our economy'.

If there were any truth in that, or the government sincerely believes so, then why punish small business? That's exactly what will happen, and consumers also.

We all lose, other than giant retailers who has the resources to keep up with sales taxes for every State within the US. Amazon is owned by one of the most wealthy men on the planet (recently passed Bill Gates on the list despite losing a few billion), they're beginning to have a presence throughout America. Come another 5-7 years, Whole Foods will be battling hard for the #1 supermarket slot versus Walmart, a corporation which has seen it's prime, a new Sheriff is on the way.

Not that I'll necessarily like it, on the other hand, maybe I will (Whole Foods carries more 'premium' food). Walmart has peaked & rather than stamping the competition, will be fighting to remain relevant (history once again repeating itself). Amazon started from the garage (as did eBay & Apple), the remaining members of the Walton family (one not blood, rather a widow of) will have an uphill battle fighting a man in Jeff Bezos who transforms most everything he lays his hands on into liquid gold.

When Bezos captures the supermarket crown (they're already the #1 online retailer), we'll all be paying more in the end, although maybe not at first. It's simply a matter of time, Jeff Bezos is a focused man with a vision who has shown so far he's unstoppable.

Maybe Bezos is the one who bought out the SCOTUS. Our POTUS Trump, while an accomplished man in his own regard, doesn't have as deep pockets, nor does the two see eye to eye.

Cat