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Do you have another mod to try it on? Mechanical or different VV? If its mechanical, make sure it's a fresh battery as you would go from almost 10W to just over 6 with 3.7v. A fresh battery will get you to a testing point of ~8W

I tried it on my vmax at 3v and it burnt my juice really bad and now the resistance is down from 2.1 to 1.3. :confused:
 

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I tried it on my vmax at 3v and it burnt my juice really bad and now the resistance is down from 2.1 to 1.3. :confused:

See. My problem is a 6/7 wrap should put you closer to the 1.3 end (if not exactly 1.3) and not the 2.1 end with 28g. This is where nailing this down is getting long winded. I'm not even sure 30g with 6/7 would normally bring up to 2.1. I'd guess 30 would take you to about ~1.8ohms. So I don't even know where the 2.1 came from. But it was likely a false read.
 

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See. My problem is a 6/7 wrap should put you closer to the 1.3 end (if not exactly 1.3) and not the 2.1 end with 28g. This is where nailing this down is getting long winded. I'm not even sure 30g with 6/7 would normally bring up to 2.1. I'd guess 30 would take you to about ~1.8ohms. So I don't even know where the 2.1 came from. But it was likely a false read.

Well, if it was a false reading I got it several times with 3 different measuring devices. Multimeter, meter box and Lambo.

I just started over with another cheapo DID doing everything the same way as with the other one. Torched unrolled mesh, rolled tight no hole, torched again. Wrapped 5/4 this time and got 1.2 ohms. Measured it several times. Running at 3.7v. Vapor is good but flavor could be better but it's not broke in yet but the flavor is better than my other tank after 2 refills. IDK, these genesis attys are a mystery to me.
 

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Well, if it was a false reading I got it several times with 3 different measuring devices. Multimeter, meter box and Lambo.

I just started over with another cheapo DID doing everything the same way as with the other one. Torched unrolled mesh, rolled tight no hole, torched again. Wrapped 5/4 this time and got 1.2 ohms. Measured it several times. Running at 3.7v. Vapor is good but flavor could be better but it's not broke in yet but the flavor is better than my other tank after 2 refills. IDK, these genesis attys are a mystery to me.

But that's just it. 5/4, 6/7. Those should fall between 1.0-1.5ohms. So theoretically, the wrap you describe NOW is more where it should be. Of course one can't correlate exact wrap to ohm ratio with wick thickness and such measuring in. But what you have NOW is more "back to earth" for the setup.
And if it's better already than 2 tanks on the other, then at least you're leaning in the right direction.
 

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Starting to wonder if I even want to try to setup my Cobra when it get here. Just reading all of this is giving me a headache!

I don't know if this is true or not, but someone told me that you get better flavor if you use a higher ratio of VG in a rebuildable! This doesn't make sense to me because I have always found that VG had less flavor. Regardless I ordered a bottle of my favorite juice flavor 10%PG/90%VG to test theory when I get a Cobra!
 

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Starting to wonder if I even want to try to setup my Cobra when it get here. Just reading all of this is giving me a headache!

I don't know if this is true or not, but someone told me that you get better flavor if you use a higher ratio of VG in a rebuildable! This doesn't make sense to me because I have always found that VG had less flavor. Regardless I ordered a bottle of my favorite juice flavor 10%PG/90%VG to test theory when I get a Cobra!

You are selling the Cobra's and you don't have one for yourself? :confused:
 

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Don't sweat it, it sounds more complicated than it really is. You'll have a learning curve and it could very well be frustrating, but once you get it down you won't regret the effort :) My initial struggle with mesh wicks was agonizing and no amount of advice or suggestions seemed to help, then one day it just "clicked" for me and I don't know what I did differently, but it worked :laugh: After that point, my success rate has improved dramatically. I do still tend to prefer silica rebuildables, but the genisis stuff definitely has its place in my arsenal

I don't know about that VG theory, though, sounds kinda backward to me . . .
 

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You are selling the Cobra's and you don't have one for yourself? :confused:

I had one, but we sold it. Had an inventory issue when the server went down and we managed to sell one more then we actually had, so I contacted a friendly customer and they were more then happy to take mine. It was only used for about 5 minutes. So like everyone else I am now waiting for the next batch to arrive!
 

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Don't sweat it, it sounds more complicated than it really is. You'll have a learning curve and it could very well be frustrating, but once you get it down you won't regret the effort :) My initial struggle with mesh wicks was agonizing and no amount of advice or suggestions seemed to help, then one day it just "clicked" for me and I don't know what I did differently, but it worked :laugh: After that point, my success rate has improved dramatically. I do still tend to prefer silica rebuildables, but the genisis stuff definitely has its place in my arsenal

I don't know about that VG theory, though, sounds kinda backward to me . . .

I know it sounds very backwards to me. In my very short time with my Cobra it seemed to be wicking fine and no hotspots, but it was VERY harsh and the taste was not good. I was told that using higher levels of VG would help both issues. I don't get that but can't hurt to try!
 

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Starting to wonder if I even want to try to setup my Cobra when it get here. Just reading all of this is giving me a headache!

I don't know if this is true or not, but someone told me that you get better flavor if you use a higher ratio of VG in a rebuildable! This doesn't make sense to me because I have always found that VG had less flavor. Regardless I ordered a bottle of my favorite juice flavor 10%PG/90%VG to test theory when I get a Cobra!

Have faith. I got it working on my first try :) Just take your time and be patient.
 

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I know it sounds very backwards to me. In my very short time with my Cobra it seemed to be wicking fine and no hotspots, but it was VERY harsh and the taste was not good. I was told that using higher levels of VG would help both issues. I don't get that but can't hurt to try!

I don't buy it. I vape only VG and the flavor with my cheapo DID is not that great but it's great in cartos.
 

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Have faith. I got it working on my first try :) Just take your time and be patient.

We had some problems with the wire snapping when we fired the PV, but Chris sorted it out pretty quickly and we were up and running. I think he messed it with it for about 20 minutes in full before it was working. It just tasted really bad and was very harsh. The only way it was bearable was to turn the provari down to 2.9volts but the flavor was still kind of lame and it some how managed to be harsh still but throat hit was absent. I have no doubt that once we get one again if we spend a little more then 20 minutes with it we can dial in a very nice vape.
 

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Starting to wonder if I even want to try to setup my Cobra when it get here. Just reading all of this is giving me a headache!

I don't know if this is true or not, but someone told me that you get better flavor if you use a higher ratio of VG in a rebuildable! This doesn't make sense to me because I have always found that VG had less flavor. Regardless I ordered a bottle of my favorite juice flavor 10%PG/90%VG to test theory when I get a Cobra!

Nah. That's more a rumor than anything. VG will increase vapor, PG will increase TH. flavor should be flavor. What I've tested and proven a few times is a wick hole does vape with a better flavor. But as has been discussed, this shifts the wicking into less of wicking and "gravitational". A straw of sorts. Sure it wicks because you have the mesh, but you have to tilt more.

I played this theory again tonight. That's why I like the solid, but keep drifting back to a nicely rolled wick with a center hole. I can use 28 on the center hole wick setup. I can't seem to keep 28 stable on solid. Hence my reason for twisting 32. Still get the low res, but slightly faster heating.

Get a cobra back and read the posts a second, third, or forth time. Head spinning yet? :D
 

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I don't buy it. I vape only VG and the flavor with my cheapo DID is not that great but it's great in cartos.

I have always found VG juice to be wonderful for vapor, but flavor falls off almost immediately! That is why I found it odd when Bams told me to use only VG in my Cobra!
 

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Nah. That's more a rumor than anything. VG will increase vapor, PG will increase TH. flavor should be flavor. What I've tested and proven a few times is a wick hole does vape with a better flavor. But as has been discussed, this shifts the wicking into less of wicking and "gravitational". A straw of sorts. Sure it wicks because you have the mesh, but you have to tilt more.

I played this theory again tonight. That's why I like the solid, but keep drifting back to a nicely rolled wick with a center hole. I can use 28 on the center hole wick setup. I can't seem to keep 28 stable on solid. Hence my reason for twisting 32. Still get the low res, but slightly faster heating.

Get a cobra back and read the posts a second, third, or forth time. Head spinning yet? :D

Oh no not more reading!!!! I was hoping you would just fly down here (yes in the dead of our Montana winter) and set it up for me LOL!
 

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We had some problems with the wire snapping when we fired the PV, but Chris sorted it out pretty quickly and we were up and running. I think he messed it with it for about 20 minutes in full before it was working. It just tasted really bad and was very harsh. The only way it was bearable was to turn the provari down to 2.9volts but the flavor was still kind of lame and it some how managed to be harsh still but throat hit was absent. I have no doubt that once we get one again if we spend a little more then 20 minutes with it we can dial in a very nice vape.

It helps to start low. 2.9-3.0v. And gradually climb up the ladder. Especially with the thinner wire. Popping high Vs through can pop those wires. Try taking a lighter to the wire and glowing it on a quick pass. Annealing the wire helps there too.
 

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Oh no not more reading!!!! I was hoping you would just fly down here (yes in the dead of our Montana winter) and set it up for me LOL!

:lol: yeah. The man that hates dead cold winter. It was 60 yesterday here right up until 5am. Then in less than 2 hours, the bottom fell out to 40. I start to feel that. And when we get into teens and lower, well, lets say I'm not a fan.
 

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I have always found VG juice to be wonderful for vapor, but flavor falls off almost immediately! That is why I found it odd when Bams told me to use only VG in my Cobra!

And just to add, we vape nothing BUT VG. It's fantastic. BUT....what the cobra, and others do, is bring out a stronger vape. It may enhance the flavor or you may find needing to lower NIC. When we entered RBAs, we immediately had to drop from 18 to 12. BUT I have to have some flavors dedicated to the carto tanks. Once I try most in a gennie, I can't vape it in a carto. It tastes like....well, I'll leave it. It'll only get filtered out.
 
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