Phoenix Atomizer help!

[Atlantisboy]

Yourdog, is it just the photo or is that ss wick really fat? Also looks like lots of wraps on that wick. I would use 32 A1 Kanthal and make a 1.5 ohm coil and vape it at 3.7v.

Can you explain the drip tip o ring deal where exactly do I have to put it and how do I get it there

 

[yuttynutt]

Yourdog, is it just the photo or is that ss wick really fat? Also looks like lots of wraps on that wick. I would use 32 A1 Kanthal and make a 1.5 ohm coil and vape it at 3.7v.

Can you explain the drip tip o ring deal where exactly do I have to put it and how do I get it there

I think this is the first reply that mentioned the voltage, which what I was going to say. You need to match your voltage to your ohms earlier you said your ohm reading was 2.1 so I would vape at about 4.2-5 volts and depending on your juice there should be no burning taste I vape 2.0 at 5v just fine but I would try lowering your voltage.

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[Yourdog]

Yourdog, is it just the photo or is that ss wick really fat? Also looks like lots of wraps on that wick. I would use 32 A1 Kanthal and make a 1.5 ohm coil and vape it at 3.7v.

Can you explain the drip tip o ring deal where exactly do I have to put it and how do I get it there

I guess its just the pic, the wick is only 2mm thick, the ID of it is the thickness of a skinny paperclip

The o-ring is:
All it is for is to help stop a potential leak, and to make it better to regulate where the hole lines up.. I am not sure who posted it or what thread it was in, but they said take a spare o-ring from an old drip tip, and place it there.. like up where the center of the two posts are with the hole, to get better flavor, vapor, etc.

 

[Yourdog]

I think this is the first reply that mentioned the voltage, which what I was going to say. You need to match your voltage to your ohms earlier you said your ohm reading was 2.1 so I would vape at about 4.2-5 volts and depending on your juice there should be no burning taste I vape 2.0 at 5v just fine but I would try lowering your voltage.

Thanks I started off with that coil, and went from 3v up to 4.5v and the flavor never got any better, same thing with the other ohm'd coils that I made

 

[Yourdog]

I use #10 bamboo crochet thread, and it works much the same as cotton. That stuff is great in tanks, but you have to be careful to keep it wet on a dripper, or it'll char before you know it.

I've never really wanted to try the stainless steel mesh as a wick. Too much work for me, and I suspect that I wouldn't be fond of the taste. I have observed many setups with it, and that pic looks fine to me, as long as the mesh is not touching the positive terminal where it's leaning at the top. That would worry me a bit. If the oxidation fails/comes off, it's a short to the body (negative,) where the bottom of the wick is. I'm a bit paranoid of conductive wicks, though.

As long as the resistance check OK at the connector, it looks like a good setup, though.

Where did you get that bamboo thread? Can I get it from walmart?

Why does this wick look different? I got this from MOV?I know that its silica. Im I supposed to unbraid this or am I supposed to use it as is? Is there a certain way?

That looks like the same stuff from mcmaster it comes in a thick rope, and you have to unravel it you pull one strand at a time, and it will all eventually unravel.. I never found an easy way to use this tho.. Just get a needle and try, it is too fluffy, I stopped messing with it

 

[Atlantisboy]

Yourdog thanks for the oring photo but I can't really see it are you putting it around the base where the other o ring is , I am confused?

 

[socalfisher]

is there any cleaning of the silica if it came from MOV? Seems that this stuff is problematic. I just ripped apart one of my broken ce2s and made my 1st coil reading 1.8 ohms seems to work better with that wicking material.

 

[Yourdog]

Yourdog thanks for the oring photo but I can't really see it are you putting it around the base where the other o ring is , I am confused?

Sorry, I have a bad webcam camera yea were that really tiny white o-ring is at the bottom of the base(where the threads are, where the top cap screws on) put the o-ring on the bottom of those threads.. hopefully my cellphone camera makes it clearer

 

[LucentShadow]

Where did you get that bamboo thread? Can I get it from walmart?
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I got mine from the local Michaels craft store. According to the manufacturer, Jo-Ann and Walmart have it as well. I got the size 10 Natural color, and it works well with 6-8 threads together to make a wick. Here's some info:

Aunt Lydia's Bamboo

I was using bits of cotton balls, but I prefer this stuff by a small margin, now. It's like $2-3 USD for 300 yards.

 

[Yourdog]

I got mine from the local Michaels craft store. According to the manufacturer, Jo-Ann and Walmart have it as well. I got the size 10 Natural color, and it works well with 6-8 threads together to make a wick. Here's some info:

Aunt Lydia's Bamboo

I was using bits of cotton balls, but I prefer this stuff by a small margin, now. It's like $2-3 USD for 300 yards.

Thanks! So I boil it a few times 30 minutes each, emptying out the water each time, correct? Does it have any kind of taste?

 

[LucentShadow]

I don't bother to boil mine, but it would probably be a good idea to. It does impart a slight woody taste without boiling. I'm not sure if boiling would reduce it, but vaping does. I don't mind it at all, though, and like it better than the taste of cotton.

I've heard many say that they boil at least 10 minutes, twice, with a change of water. More would probably be better. I'd advise against using tap water, unless it's filtered well. Distilled water is cheap, and no worries about minerals, chlorine, and other crap.

 

[Yourdog]

I don't bother to boil mine, but it would probably be a good idea to. It does impart a slight woody taste without boiling. I'm not sure if boiling would reduce it, but vaping does. I don't mind it at all, though, and like it better than the taste of cotton.

I've heard many say that they boil at least 10 minutes, twice, with a change of water. More would probably be better. I'd advise against using tap water, unless it's filtered well. Distilled water is cheap, and no worries about minerals, chlorine, and other crap.

Alright, well looks like I might have to go to walmart to see if I can find this stuff.. If this doesn't work right, then I have no idea what else to do.. If I can find this, I will post pictures and see if it looks like my setup's are all right, that is unless I get it tasting right.. but seriously I would prefer wood over silica lol, that stuff for some reason is putting off this horrible taste

 

[Atlantisboy]

Sorry, I have a bad webcam camera yea were that really tiny white o-ring is at the bottom of the base(where the threads are, where the top cap screws on) put the o-ring on the bottom of those threads.. View attachment 125946 hopefully my cellphone camera makes it clearer

Thanks bud now I see it! Wow you got a drip tip o ring to stretch that much!

 

[Yourdog]

Thanks bud now I see it! Wow you got a drip tip o ring to stretch that much!

Lol np its easy you want to stretch it just enough or it could possibly snap

 

[LucentShadow]

A couple of things that I noticed:

There is more than one version of these out there, and mine is a different one than yours. The differences seem mostly cosmetic, in that the top of yours is angled, and the top of mine is flat, with a flange for the drip tip.

Mine has the two posts slightly off-center, so that there is a bit more room on one side of them than the other. I put my coil and wick on the side with more space.

The one that I've been using has the air hole just slightly off-center on the side of the coil, if oriented as above, when I tighten the cover until it fully stops. I opened up the other one that I bought, and the air hole ends up right next to the positive post when it's full tightened. That makes for a terrible vape, much as you described before. The factory o-ring still holds the cover fairly well if I turn it 1/4 to 1/2 turn to position the hole next to the coil, though, and it vapes fine there.

With the air hole in the optimal spot, this thing hits like a freight train, with what seems like double the flavor and throat hit of what I get from my vivi nova, or any other CE2 style carto.

I'm planning on re-wicking my first one tonight after I get home. I'll see if I can get some decent pics of it.

 

[Yourdog]

A couple of things that I noticed:

There is more than one version of these out there, and mine is a different one than yours. The differences seem mostly cosmetic, in that the top of yours is angled, and the top of mine is flat, with a flange for the drip tip.

Mine has the two posts slightly off-center, so that there is a bit more room on one side of them than the other. I put my coil and wick on the side with more space.

The one that I've been using has the air hole just slightly off-center on the side of the coil, if oriented as above, when I tighten the cover until it fully stops. I opened up the other one that I bought, and the air hole ends up right next to the positive post when it's full tightened. That makes for a terrible vape, much as you described before. The factory o-ring still holds the cover fairly well if I turn it 1/4 to 1/2 turn to position the hole next to the coil, though, and it vapes fine there.

With the air hole in the optimal spot, this thing hits like a freight train, with what seems like double the flavor and throat hit of what I get from my vivi nova, or any other CE2 style carto.

I'm planning on re-wicking my first one tonight after I get home. I'll see if I can get some decent pics of it.

I did notice, at least on mine it is really easy to move the post (positive) just take your fingers and wiggle it to the side that would make the 2 posts even I dont know if you understand that but the positive post is able to swivel, because it is connected to the plate at the bottom which is the center piece.. I know people have mentioned dual coil setups on these and figured that would make it easier if you were to ever do that

Thank you for all of your suggestions and help, when I get that cotton in I will try it and if it isn't very good, then I will try the bamboo thread

 

[LucentShadow]

No problem. I love this thing, and want to share that. I've heard that the posts do swivel. Mine are pretty much where I want them, so I haven't tried that. I am looking forward to trying a dual coil setup soon, too.

So, my camera sucks badly at taking closeups, and the forum makes them a bit worse, but I'll upload a few picks of my setup anyway.



The factory setup is on the right. They put the coil on the side with a little less room, and shoved the wick tails down that side. Mine is on the left, with the coil on the side with more room. I folded the farther end of the wick over into the other side, and the nearer end down into the same side. The wick is 7 strands of #10 bamboo crochet thread, and the coil is 6 turns of 34ga Nichrome.



On the one I am using, the air hole ends up almost in the perfect spot, but I'll have to take some care with the other one to make sure it lines up. With that, I'll just put my thumb centered on the coil as I hold the base, and screw the cover on until it hits the o-ring, and it's centered on my thumb. That leaves it about 1/3 turn from tight, but the o-ring still holds it in place pretty well.

I hope you get yours working to your satisfaction. These are really nice little rebuildables. I find these to be quite a bit easier to rebuild than vivi nova heads.

 

[Yourdog]

Those pics are clear enough for me to understand, thanks for that! They look good, I really hope I can figure this out too I know so many people are talking about their greatness.. same with smoktech's bulli atomizer, I want that to work right for me as well, because it has a tank on it So in your opinion does bamboo wick better than cotton? I know you said the taste is a little better..

Also, I had another question, when I was trying out the silica, I noticed whenever I added fluid, and wet burned it, the fluid quickly disappeared from under the coil, then as soon as I stopped, it quickly reappeared.. do you know why this happens? And do you use a needle when you go to wrap your coil? I don't know how to tell if I am wrapping too tight or too loose..

 

[LucentShadow]

Those pics are clear enough for me to understand, thanks for that! They look good, I really hope I can figure this out too I know so many people are talking about their greatness.. same with smoktech's bulli atomizer, I want that to work right for me as well, because it has a tank on it So in your opinion does bamboo wick better than cotton? I know you said the taste is a little better..

Also, I had another question, when I was trying out the silica, I noticed whenever I added fluid, and wet burned it, the fluid quickly disappeared from under the coil, then as soon as I stopped, it quickly reappeared.. do you know why this happens? And do you use a needle when you go to wrap your coil? I don't know how to tell if I am wrapping too tight or too loose..

The bamboo seems to wick just as well as cotton, for me. One of the reasons that I like the thread that I'm using is that I can vary the wick diameter for different devices or preferences, yet I can always get repeatable results, because I can just count the number of threads that I want. Not so easy for loose cotton. Yarn can work OK for that, as you can strip threads out of it.

I've never noticed juice level fluctuating. I'd have to guess that the heat makes the wick pull it up, then it drops back down as it cools because silica is not absorbent like organic fibers are. Hmm.

I try not to wrap too tight. To aid in that, and to make the wrapping easier, I use a fairly large paper clip with a straightened leg alongside the wick. I use the size that is about 1.5+ inches long. If I had to guess, I'd say the diameter might be 0.03" (0.75mm) on the clip. It works pretty well.

I tried to double that once, and two was too much. You can see that my wick is already quite a bit bigger in diameter than the silica wick.

 

[Yourdog]

The bamboo seems to wick just as well as cotton, for me. One of the reasons that I like the thread that I'm using is that I can vary the wick diameter for different devices or preferences, yet I can always get repeatable results, because I can just count the number of threads that I want. Not so easy for loose cotton. Yarn can work OK for that, as you can strip threads out of it.

I've never noticed juice level fluctuating. I'd have to guess that the heat makes the wick pull it up, then it drops back down as it cools because silica is not absorbent like organic fibers are. Hmm.

I try not to wrap too tight. To aid in that, and to make the wrapping easier, I use a fairly large paper clip with a straightened leg alongside the wick. I use the size that is about 1.5+ inches long. If I had to guess, I'd say the diameter might be 0.03" (0.75mm) on the clip. It works pretty well.

I tried to double that once, and two was too much. You can see that my wick is already quite a bit bigger in diameter than the silica wick.

well i believe that is why I am getting that nasty taste, because the fluid isn't constantly under that coil.. even when i made a 3 ohm coil, on 3v... It is weird but i will try that paper clip, I have used paper clips before I just never knew what size to use..