Phoenix rebuildable bottom feeder?

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MXBNW

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MY take on the A7

Seams to work ok, Draw is relay light. Like a loos 901, Wick suck of some kind of primer but pushing through to do some quick testing. (If you get one clean it first)

The wick sits way above the feed tube that is in it. But with the stock wick set up seams to wick fast.

I am going to put an o-ring on the bottom and drill a side hole. And try to drop the wick set up closer to the feed line.

Got some juice in the CC of the Grand while playing with it. Sits tall on the grand

Will not fit Mini 2.0, Standard Woodvil, REO Mini 1.0 or First run VVW.

I will keep playing with it but not going to spend a lot of $ on these. I think it will take some moding for most to like using them.

I will change out the Stock wick and wire tonight and let it brake in, but out of the box its no ERA or Challis.

Just my 2c :)
 

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Yep not liking that, I am going to clean mine out and do some modding on it before I use it much more.

Over all not a waist of $20.00 but not going to invest much in these.

Just a quick note: Out of the box as a dripper the Phoenix out preformed the A7 IMO, That should tell you how it will preform as a modded atty for bottom feeding.

As always this is just my 2c. :)
 

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Well I got my phoenix clones in and finally have time to work on them. Hoping Rob or someone else who has successfully modded one of these can give some last minute tips on what to do or better yet, NOT to do. I have several gauges of ss blunt needles to use as sleeves once I drill the attys. Not clear on whether I need to do anything with the pin on the grand or the one on the atty. Basically any summarization would be helpful in preventing a melted spring.

Thanks in advance.
I would be happy to help you out Rob
First thing you have to do is remove the two post there pressure fit .

Next you need to mill the lip off the top of the atomizer , Now you can remove the center post and gasket

Now you can mill the rest of the atomizer down like you see in the photo I posted

I use the center post that came with the atomizer if its a clone its made of brass. You will need a 1/16 drill bit and a drill press with a vise. Use some oil when you do this or risk breaking the bit .

If you look into the bottom of the atomizer and on the positive pole you will see the holes there 1/16 holes you need to drill them out to 5/64 enough to hold the positive and negative posts .

Now you can take the two post and grind them down to the desired height . Clean the edges with a file and press them into the atomizer

You end up using the gasket that came with the atty slide it on 3/4 of the way and push it into position .

You will need to lower the hole on the cap of the atomizer it has to be inline with the coil I left mine up a whisker . If you have any ?s feel free to give me a call I am happy to help
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See, told ya you guys would know what was wrong with it and if any thing was good. Ya can't rely on me to know if things are good or not... after 43 years of 2 1/2 packs a day I was to the point I would have inhaled a forest fire if I was out of cigarettes.

I played around a little while ago and made a new coil and wick, 33awg and 3mm silica. Tested out rigt around 2.6 - 2.8 ohm. Seems to be working pretty good and after a few minutes the flavor was better than the stock coil/wick.

My ERA's haven't come in yet so I don't have the ability to compare the A7 to anything else. I'm still alive and haven't coughed up a lung so I guess it can't be all that bad. At least you both agree that the draw is airy... see, I wasn't wrong about everything.

I'll leave the modding to others, I can't open a can of tuna without arterial bleeding and a call to 911.

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I just tried again in the stock set up. I just can not do it. Supper light draw and got the Atty gurgle when vaping. It Got real hot even at 2.8 set at 4.2v. I will try to mod it tomorrow evening after work but for now Is back in the to be cleaned pile.

I will report back with the mod I did and how it works out.
 

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Well I opened em up and gave it a shot. First one had a broken post right out of the post so I am down to 2. seconds drilled out just fine. pressed in the needle and cursed while i got it back together. The eyes are not what they used to be I am afraid. Slapped it on the provari and it tested fine. Pulled the pin up a tough on the bf 510 connector and screwed it on. Hmm nada, added a 510 shorty unsealed connector and we have lift off. Very airy draw and so-so flavor. Decent vapor. This on the stock coil after washing all parts and a PGA soak. Flavor should get a bit better as wick was not totally dry. Main issue I see is without milling down the sides of the well and shortening the posts the way Rob shoed in his picture, the coil sits 1/4" off the floor of the well so it relies on pure wicking since juice can not get high enough to soak the coil before running back down the feeder hole. Not ideal but fun experiment and works ok, just not a chain vaping machine. Worth the cost for the experience.

I could grind the sides of the well down lower but main main issue is the pin height and not sure how I would lower them yet as they are just press fit into the base.

You can set up a vertical coil in the Phoenix and leave the bottom end of the wick long so it sits in the cup. A good squonk will soak up to the coil no problem and is good for about 3~4 drags. Been running mine this way without issue for a couple of weeks. Oh and ditch that stock wick and coil. Even if you rewick with silica you will do far better than the stock version.
 

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I just tried again in the stock set up. I just can not do it. Supper light draw and got the Atty gurgle when vaping. It Got real hot even at 2.8 set at 4.2v. I will try to mod it tomorrow evening after work but for now Is back in the to be cleaned pile.

I will report back with the mod I did and how it works out.


::hoping the silence is a super mod with a consequent nic coma:::: :vapor:
 

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So the question is, are these a7s real ss? A bottom air fed rebuildable will take out a side air fed atty every time as far as flavor, hit, vapor. I prefer bottom air ones the air goes directly into the coil straight to mouth, doesn't have to do an l movement. I don't know what it is but that changes flavor dramatically. I'm on the co op so will post when i receive
 

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I'm curious about the same thing urquidezj, keith at empire assured me it was through and through SS, and cisco is advertising it as such too. I would be shocked if either one of them would outright lie about it, so if its not stainless, someone is doing a good job of jive talking in the Orient lol

How do we find out?
 
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