Please explain the deal with China

[wv2win]

Maybe you get your stuff in 4 days. Not say'n that you don't.

What type of shipping option your are choosing and how much you are paying for it?

I use EMS ($15) and as I stated, when you combine the much lower cost of the products with the higher shipping cost (which it should be higher), the savings is still substantial. The same atomizers that cost $8-$10 from US sites, costs $4 from Chinese sites. Factor in shipping and they come to $5.24 each.

Note: if you are only going to order 1 or 2 attys at a time, then it is not worth it to go with a Chinese supplier. I order 10 at a time and sometimes 15 at a time. 10 and up they are also willing to lower their prices.

 

[wv2win]

I have ordered a few times from China and 4 days is amazing. Do live on the West Coast? My orders always seem to land in Anchorage, Alaska and take 2 or 3 days to go 1,000 mile hops from one terminal to another until they reach the east coast.

I'm in the Atlanta area.

 

[zoiDman]

I have ordered a few times from China and 4 days is amazing. Do live on the West Coast? My orders always seem to land in Anchorage, Alaska and take 2 or 3 days to go 1,000 mile hops from one terminal to another until they reach the east coast.

I hear you.

4 days is Amazing. Some of my orders have sat in customs alone for almost 4 days.

 

[JustaGuy]

Appendix: actually, I'm not as concerned with hardware from China. Batts and attys (why not just batts and atts, nice ring? ) are only dangerous if they explode or catch fire, very rare if any case, same risks as cell phones and TVs made by Waldo, as in where in the world.

juice, now that goes in my body everyday and can be in great quantity. Does anyone know the certifications of US juice mixers, ingredients? On the one hand, it's good to have that personal touch and be on first name basis with proprietors, on the other hand...I'll leave to the imagination. No offense to fans of any supplier.

Someone said on ECF the vaping world is still the wild, wild west. How true! I'd just like to get what I asked for when I buy something and know WHO made it.

 

[wv2win]

I hear you.

4 days is Amazing. Some of my orders have sat in customs alone for almost 4 days.

In late '09 and early '10, when the FDA was being a PITA, there were customs' problems. From what I have read and my own experience, that is now a thing of the past.

 

[wv2win]

Appendix: actually, I'm not as concerned with hardware from China. Batts and attys (why not just batts and atts, nice ring? ) are only dangerous if they explode or catch fire, very rare if any case, same risks as cell phones and TVs made by Waldo, as in where in the world.

JUICE, now that goes in my body everyday and can be in great quantity. Does anyone know the certifications of US juice mixers, ingredients? On the one hand, it's good to have that personal touch and be on first name basis with proprietors, on the other hand...I'll leave to the imagination. No offense to fans of any supplier.

Someone said on ECF the vaping world is still the wild, wild west. How true! I'd just like to get what I asked for when I buy something and know WHO made it.

There are no regulations in the US. Most US suppliers have no oversight or certifications. The large Chinese suppliers do have the European certification.

 

[JustaGuy]

There are no regulations in the US. Most US suppliers have no oversight or certifications. The large Chinese suppliers do have the European certification.

That's why after trying 7 juice suppliers, I've gone directly to Dekang. Besides, I like their tobacco flavors, got that analog stinky/fragrant aroma.

 

[MTV]

plain and simple...ecigs were invented in china...made in china...if you are using ecigs you are using chinese products...like most stuff here in the good ole USA

 

[mafig]

i bought my mega titan e-NIC(510 T) from Totally Wicked below the photo..when i look thro...all my gadget,hardware to e-liquids "made in China"..but still a good set i got and well made..i ordered accessories from heaven-gifts(China supplier)..the passthru only 2 of my atomizers screwed in ok..other 2 i cant use as the thread,stick..the e-liquids i got from heaven-gifts i am happy with it especially the price i paid 30ml for $6.50 for dekang as i only like mentol and Ry4 both as good as from TW..i certainly will order again,e-liquids and accessories from HG even it took 14 days to get to Malaysia by registered airmail

 

[bobsyeruncle]

Regarding juice. There's no real guarantee that you're not getting trace amounts of chemicals in your juice. It's more of a problem when you purchase juice from China. Everyone knows they produce stuff cheaply and there's often not very good quality control. It's still way better than what you put in your lungs when you smoke.

E-Juice is made up of Propylene Glycol, Vegetable Glycerin, Nicotine liquid and flavouring. All of which is generally safe. There is the possibility of trace cancer-causing chemicals, however. Probably no worse than most of the stuff you're eating and breathing nowadays.

Now, there are several U.S. vendors that have had their juice independently tested and verified clear of any trace amounts of carcinogous chemicals. In general, you'll probably find you have better luck with U.S.-made juice.

Regarding buying hardware in China. You just want to find a site that sells you the brand you really want and not a cheap knockoff. There are several good sites in China. But, two you want to avoid are DealExtreme and E-Cig.

And all the E-Cigarettes (not counting the mods) are manufactured in China, anyway.

 

[txtumbleweed]

I vape china juice from madvapes and it is much cheaper and better than most US made menthol juice I've bought, 10.99 for 50 mls. I make my own now but so far it isn't as good.

 

[vocr]

There are some people here who bash deal extreme. Its understandable when they've had a bad order, that is how you normally evaluate a vendor. However, DX are not an normal vendor, and you need to understand how to use them. In terms of ecigs, I posted a review here on one I got before I found ECF: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-clone-pretty-good-case-you-were-curious.html.

That said, there are several top notch suppliers from China on ECF which are better than DX. Healthcabin is my favorite.

In terms of juice, IMO its all a crapshoot no matter where you get it from. There is no oversight or regulatory body for ejuice. So I believe that it boils down to trusting the vendor, if you aren't a chemist who can verify.

 

[dormouse]

China makes ALL slim ecigs and the most popular fat battery ecigs. Of course we use Chinese hardware. What most people in the US do not do is order from China because of the shipping cost, the wait, and the occasional problems. Most Chinese orders work out OK but a couple of people have lost their money, one guy waited 2 months for their stuff to arrive then received a picked-over package with empty boxes, some people get mistakes in their order (of course a long wait to get those fixed) etc. If they paid with Paypal, it's hard to report that because they violated their user agreement by buying ecig stuff with Paypal and could lose their Paypal account.

re the juices - some of the Chinese Dekang juices are OK but some are awful. The flavor can vary quite a bit from batch to batch. And 100% PG juices with medium and high nic can cause a lot of irritation for new vapers - irritated mouth, throat or even lungs. I use a couple now that my nic is lower. They are cheap mixers too. But for new vapers there are nice less-irritating PG/VG juices available from US juice makers.

And re trusting the product ingredients are good - I have my qualms. I know Dekang is a good company but they have to get their supplies somewhere. I remember that Chinese glycerin company that made extra bucks by selling bulk Propyl Glycolene (the poisonous antifreeze type) and labeling it as the more expensive Glycerin, leading to a bunch of babies being killed by Chinese toothpaste.

 

[Nicko]

China makes ALL slim ecigs and the most popular fat battery ecigs. Of course we use Chinese hardware. What most people in the US do not do is order from China because of the shipping cost, the wait, and the occasional problems. Most Chinese orders work out OK but a couple of people have lost their money, one guy waited 2 months for their stuff to arrive then received a picked-over package with empty boxes, some people get mistakes in their order (or course a long wait to get those fixed) etc. If they paid with Paypal, it's hard to report that because they violated their user agreement by buying ecig stuff with Paypal and could lose their Paypal account.

re the juices - some of the Chinese Dekang juices are OK but some are awful. The flavor can vary quite a bit from batch to batch. And 100% PG juices with medium and high nic can cause a lot of irritation for new vapers - irritated mouth, throat or even lungs. I use a couple now that my nic is lower. They are cheap mixers too. But for new vapers there are nice less-irritating PG/VG juices available from US juice makers.

And re trusting the product ingredients are good - I have my qualms. I know Dekang is a good company but they have to get their supplies somewhere. I remember that Chinese glycerin company that made extra bucks by selling bulk Propyl Glycolene (the poisonous antifreeze type) and labeling it as the more expensive Glycerin, leading to a bunch of babies being killed by Chinese toothpaste.

Well, I have decided, I'm leaving China tomorrow. This is just not a safe place to live.

 

[vocr]

Well, I have decided, I'm leaving China tomorrow. This is just not a safe place to live.

While that has nothing to do with the topic, I agree. I live in China about 2 months (combined) out of every year and I would not want to stay there long term. I actually feel the same way about Singapore, another place I live about 2 months out of every year. I feel the same way about the US though, a place I used to live for many years (now the TSA keep me dreading everytime I am forced to go back). Truth is, the only place I would consider living longer term, besides here, is Canada. However, I can't get used to the weather (brrrr).

Fact is, there's really no place like home, is there?

 

[Nicko]

While that has nothing to do with the topic, I agree. I live in China about 2 months (combined) out of every year and I would not want to stay there long term. I actually feel the same way about Singapore, another place I live about 2 months out of every year. I feel the same way about the US though, a place I used to live for many years (now the TSA keep me dreading everytime I am forced to go back). Truth is, the only place I would consider living longer term, besides here, is Canada. However, I can't get used to the weather (brrrr).

Fact is, there's really no place like home, is there?

It's mainly the toothpaste I'm worried about.

 

[bobsyeruncle]

Regarding the DealExtreme bashing. I have had good luck buying other stuff from them. But, buying e-cigarettes from them is a crap shoot. You really don't know what you're getting.

As far as good vendors from China goes, I really like Heaven-Gifts.com. I also hear really good things about Trueman-Ecig.com.

 

[vocr]

It's mainly the toothpaste I'm worried about.

ROFL! Thank you for a helluva good laugh on my Sunday afternoon!

 

[count dragula]

It's mainly the toothpaste I'm worried about.

Try England --- I hear they don't have any, there. (I kid, I kid)


It'd be hard to find consumer goods manufactured in the 'States -- between the unions, the politicos, and the corporate tax rates, the profit margin just isn't there for consumer goods.

I just unpacked a new "Black & Decker" coffee maker.
Yep. Made in China.
(And, like the atomizers, you have to wash out the residues. )

E/juice is still a "cottage industry" that's flying under the radar, so there are a lot of people turning bulk supplies into custom flavors. But, without regulation, caveat emptor on the quality.

That's one thing user forums like this are good for: "open source" watchdogging.

 

[symphynity]

It's mainly the toothpaste I'm worried about.

I didnt know you could vape toothpaste !! Doesnt it clog up the atty??