Please explain the deal with China

[wv2win]

China makes ALL slim ecigs and the most popular fat battery ecigs. Of course we use Chinese hardware. What most people in the US do not do is order from China because of the shipping cost, the wait, and the occasional problems. Most Chinese orders work out OK but a couple of people have lost their money, one guy waited 2 months for their stuff to arrive then received a picked-over package with empty boxes, some people get mistakes in their order (of course a long wait to get those fixed) etc. If they paid with Paypal, it's hard to report that because they violated their user agreement by buying ecig stuff with Paypal and could lose their Paypal account.

re the juices - some of the Chinese Dekang juices are OK but some are awful. The flavor can vary quite a bit from batch to batch. And 100% PG juices with medium and high nic can cause a lot of irritation for new vapers - irritated mouth, throat or even lungs. I use a couple now that my nic is lower. They are cheap mixers too. But for new vapers there are nice less-irritating PG/VG juices available from US juice makers.

And re trusting the product ingredients are good - I have my qualms. I know Dekang is a good company but they have to get their supplies somewhere. I remember that Chinese glycerin company that made extra bucks by selling bulk Propyl Glycolene (the poisonous antifreeze type) and labeling it as the more expensive Glycerin, leading to a bunch of babies being killed by Chinese toothpaste.

There are many more vapers who have been ripped off by US suppliers than Chinese suppliers. In fact, the main Chinese suppliers such as Heaven Gifts, BestEcig and Healthcabin are better than almost all US suppliers in cost and customer service. There is a US supplier here in the Atlanta area who is so bad he has been banned on ECF. And when you look at cost, you have to look at the OVERALL cost and you can't beat the Chinese sites mentioned, in that category. And I find it interesting that I get packages from China, door to door, in 4 days but never get a US supplier's package in less than 3 days regardless of where they are located.

But I am not "bashing" US suppliers in that I have found, overall, their service to be outstanding. But the bashing of Chinese suppliers tells me that there is an unfortunate undercurrent going on.

 

[swedishfish]

I get my stuff from nhaler the next day. Gotta love ordering from a vendor in the same state.

 

[VapingRulz]

I wouldn't have any qualms about ordering a bulk supply of hardware or juice from China if the dealer had a good reputation here on ECF, as a couple clearly do. The problem I have is that I don't like the Dekang because it has an odd aftertaste. I wish I liked it because it's far cheaper than most juices out there. In a pinch, I'd certainly vape it.

 

[zoiDman]

Correct me if I'm wrong but...

Many "Certificates" Only certify that a "test sample" that was received from the OEM was tested meets some Quality Standards.

Here is an example of this type of Certificate.

http://www.microcig.com/CE-CE2.jpg

So the "test sample" may be free of Bat Piss but that does not imply that the Production run will be free of Bat Piss.

Not saying that there is Bat Piss or Rat Turds in anything. But if there was, it isn't the Certificate that is at fault. Because the Certificate only relates to a "sample" that was provided by the OEM for testing.

Now testing of Random Samples not provided by the OEM is a different story. Perhaps someone can post one of these Certificates of Quality.

 

[swedishfish]

They do pay to have those samples done. I don't know how much weight I'd put into the certification process.

I've worked in labs forever and saw what goes on in some 'lab settings'. Ya don't wanna know. Labs, certifications and pictures of Asian women in hairnets don't impress me. If you're a stickler for quality control environments you're best bet is to DIY. When I smoked I dug behind couch cushions looking for a cig if I was out. If you like products from China buy them. If you like the idea of supporting a US business, do that.

 

[JustaGuy]

Think you know Dekang, have tried it?

Like some of you, I've had bad experiences with Dekang juice. Sometimes, when I order advertised Boge/Dekang, I get something nooooooot quite right, sometimes a COMPLETELY different juice. Something smelled in Denmark, no offense to Denmark (blame Shakespeare).

Dekang sell their own formulas but they also customize juice for suppliers. Which ones? We don't know. And there's the rub (following the Hamlet theme). When Dekang or someone else use a different formula, is it still the same USA Mix per se? How many hands has the juice traveled through? Dekang knows their reputation's been damaged and they're reacting. I am getting some directly from them. We'll see.

Meanwhile, Cignot's Boge/Dekang seems genuine, directly from Boge according to Vicki. She's great, but it's just my taste buds talking.

Re. where the supplier is located, I'm more concerned with WHAT I'm getting than where. The rest...is service, important too.

 

[bryansthl]

Not being able to trust supplyers of premade e-liquid I started makeing my own the hardest part was finding a good US supplyer of non flavored nic vg but after a few months and alot of bad deals I finaly found one that is professinal and reliable.

The best part of mixing my own e-liquid is flavoring it the way I like it.

 

[SubOnAux24]

While many believe Hon Lik was the original inventor of electronic cigarettes, this is in fact untrue. An American named Herbert Gilbert, of Beaver Falls, PA actually invented the first iteration of the electronic cigarette, and received a patent for his invention in 1965. The patent was for a "Smokeless Non-Tobacco Cigarette, Patent No. 3,200,819 and issued on August 17, 1965. Several other parties, including Philip Morris, Procter & Gamble and R.J. Reynolds were all issued patents in the early 1980s for electronic cigarette products.

 

[Wolf]

I've ordered from Heaven Gifts and Deal Extreme (batteries only). Usually takes 7 to 10 days to the West Coast. Might be less now that Customs isn't looking to hold up e-cig purchases.

 

[JustaGuy]

While many believe Hon Lik was the original inventor of electronic cigarettes, this is in fact untrue. An American named Herbert Gilbert, of Beaver Falls, PA actually invented the first iteration of the electronic cigarette, and received a patent for his invention in 1965. The patent was for a "Smokeless Non-Tobacco Cigarette, Patent No. 3,200,819 and issued on August 17, 1965. Several other parties, including Philip Morris, Procter & Gamble and R.J. Reynolds were all issued patents in the early 1980s for electronic cigarette products.

Good info, Sub! Wiki needs to update their article.

 

[Szn122]

Hi All, I'm looking into placing an order with a couple of China-based companies, but I think I mistook the 1 I'm looking at for another one recommended. Does anyone know anything about "www..........." ? (e-cig) The prices there are VERY, VERY low compared to BestEcig-High quality mini e-cig|e-cigarette|eGo,e-liquid|e-cigs wholesale

If anyone has any help/advice I'd really appreciate the help. I sure don't want to invest much $ where I'd get stuck waiting/never receiving the products I order.

Thanks in advance!

 

[swedishfish]

I've only purchased from registered vendors here. Not sure if they are or not. I know nothing about the company you posted the link to. Hopefully someone will.

For me a warranty that they will back up is extremely important. It would have cost me an additional $72 in 6 months if I hadn't purchased from vendors that had a warranty. Cheaper always isn't better.

 

[Szn122]

I hear THAT! I worked for a Registrars company for a couple of months! What a racket!!!! You just PAY for certification, JUST LIKE BBB! When I was in biz, you ALSO paid for them to be ur rep! LOL!

 

[zoiDman]

I hear THAT! I worked for a Registrars company for a couple of months! What a racket!!!! You just PAY for certification, JUST LIKE BBB! When I was in biz, you ALSO paid for them to be ur rep! LOL!

Yeah, but don't all those Certs Look Cool when you frame them and hang them on the wall of the QC department?

 

[Szn122]

Did you have trouble ordering with Heaven Gifts?

 

[Szn122]

Bobsyeruncle: Avoid e-cig dot com? Why what happened? I thought their prices were just too good to be true!

 

[zoiDman]

Did you have trouble ordering with Heaven Gifts?

If this is directed at me. I have only ordered from Heaven's Gifts once a long time ago.

Order was processed Fast, Items were shipped Fast with a Tracking number. Order arrived 18 days later. I can't really slam HG because I went with the cheapest shipping possible.

If I was going to make a BIG order from China, HG would be someone I would consider using again.

 

[bobsyeruncle]

Bobsyeruncle: Avoid e-cig dot com? Why what happened? I thought their prices were just too good to be true!

They've had problems in the past with being reliable. I haven't dealt with them myself, but have you noticed the ECF forum has censored your post when you try to enter the .com address?

 

[wv2win]

Did you have trouble ordering with Heaven Gifts?

I've placed about 25 orders from Heaven Gifts - always outstanding service. My last order arrived in 5 days from date of order. It couldn't have been easier. And it sure saved me a lot of money.

 

[JW50]

So far the best companies I've dealt with in China are BestEcig and Heavens Gifts, haven't had any problem with either of them. The only thing is if you order from China use the EMS shipping, everything else real slow.

Ordered from China recently. Selected EMS mailing (lesser price). But carrier changed by supplier (at no extra cost) to DLS (might be DLM or DML - something beginning with D). My suspicion is that EMS has tightened on export products or agreements have changed. It seems that EMS has agreement with USPS in this country for final delivery. Much of this just guessing. No problems yet with suppliers but mailing/delivery seemed to have presented new hurtles. Might be best to stick with domestic supplier just to assure timely delivery. But - much of product even from domestics seem to originate from China. If I am wrong here, perhaps a domestic supplier will correct me.