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The addition of EVA to my cigs is the reason for the switch... when the FSC legislation became so widespread that PM ceased non-FSC production, I spent literally $700 and bought up all the cartons I could get my hands on... ran out in the middle of last month. Long story short, tried to go cold turkey, wasn't working, decided to try vaping.
Anyway, the problem with EVA (at least for me) is that it seemed to "clog up" my lungs... after I (unknowingly) smoked 3 or 4 packs of the tainted FSCs, I started waking up with all kinds of congestion in my lungs, headaches, all kinds of nasty side effects. It seems as though this was initially a common complaint amongst my friends who still smoke analogs, but anecdotal evidence would seem to indicate their bodies got used to it.
I realize the irony/hypocrisy of getting my panties all in a bunch over the addition of one chemical, but I guess it's the "additive that broke the camel's back," as it were.
As a FF/EMT, I strongly disagree with the NFPA's (and our government's) stance that saving the lives of a few hundred ...... (and the occasional unlucky FF) every year is worth the sacrifice of untold thousands who will die from the effects of EVA. The NFPA does good work and does a lot to protect me (and you), but whatever happened to common sense, people?
My stance: you smoke in bed, you die, your fault. If you kill someone because of your decision, you should be criminally and civilly liable to that person, his family, and his department (if a FF/LEO/EMT/etc.). Period, end of story. Smoking in bed isn't an "accident," it's a choice just like DUI. If you run over someone because you had three beers your life is ruined, and killing people because you're too lazy to sit up and inhale at the same time is just as bad... at least IMHO
)Let the flames begin
Depending on the brand you smoke, you may have been smoking them for a while. PM, for one, ceased production of non-FSC cigs in December (IIRC) and they rapidly became impossible to get.
The addition of EVA to my cigs is the reason for the switch... when the FSC legislation became so widespread that PM ceased non-FSC production, I spent literally $700 and bought up all the cartons I could get my hands on... ran out in the middle of last month. Long story short, tried to go cold turkey, wasn't working, decided to try vaping.
Anyway, the problem with EVA (at least for me) is that it seemed to "clog up" my lungs... after I (unknowingly) smoked 3 or 4 packs of the tainted FSCs, I started waking up with all kinds of congestion in my lungs, headaches, all kinds of nasty side effects. It seems as though this was initially a common complaint amongst my friends who still smoke analogs, but anecdotal evidence would seem to indicate their bodies got used to it.
I realize the irony/hypocrisy of getting my panties all in a bunch over the addition of one chemical, but I guess it's the "additive that broke the camel's back," as it were.
As a FF/EMT, I strongly disagree with the NFPA's (and our government's) stance that saving the lives of a few hundred ...... (and the occasional unlucky FF) every year is worth the sacrifice of untold thousands who will die from the effects of EVA. The NFPA does good work and does a lot to protect me (and you), but whatever happened to common sense, people?
My stance: you smoke in bed, you die, your fault. If you kill someone because of your decision, you should be criminally and civilly liable to that person, his family, and his department (if a FF/LEO/EMT/etc.). Period, end of story. Smoking in bed isn't an "accident," it's a choice just like DUI. If you run over someone because you had three beers your life is ruined, and killing people because you're too lazy to sit up and inhale at the same time is just as bad... at least IMHO
Let the flames begin
I know being forced to do something by stupid legislation sucks. But think about it this way - you might never have quit smoking and started vaping if it weren't for FSC's.
/cue music: Always look on the bright side of life!
If I take a puff off my Screwdriver with a beer after a hard day of changing the antifreeze in my diesel truck that delivers nitroglycerin tattoo ink to the paintball grounds, I should be okay...
RIGHT?!?
Only if you wash your hands w/ 20-muleteam borax first!
Life's a piece of.... oh, Monty Python, is there any situation where a quote from you is not fitting?
Anyway, voltaire, you're right... my concern is more for the millions of people out there who simply went along with it. It's only a matter of time before the government destroys vaping too, don't you think?
Generally speaking, Wikipedia sources can be found at the bottom of the page for verification of accuracy.
That is exactly how I feel. I might have continued smoking for a good long while if it hadn't been for the fireproofing. For some reason it woke my senses up and I could smell how bad I actually smelled and taste how gross the flavor was in my mouth. I was going through twice the gum I normally would have. Before that extra chemical was added most people didn't even know I smoked! How crazy is that!
That is exactly how I feel. I might have continued smoking for a good long while if it hadn't been for the fireproofing. For some reason it woke my senses up and I could smell how bad I actually smelled and taste how gross the flavor was in my mouth. I was going through twice the gum I normally would have. Before that extra chemical was added most people didn't even know I smoked! How crazy is that!
Yeah, the chemical taste was the worst. Marlboros tend to occasionally have a chemical taste and odor to them (along with some packs leaving a stronger odor than others), but it kept happening pack after pack (which is what caused me to investigate WTF was going on.)
I've also (usually) been able to pull off the "stealth smoker" angle... the key always seemed to be how I held the cigarette. It seemed as though if I held it such that the sidestream smoke didn't run all over my body/arm/clothes then it was much more difficult to smell. Also the ambient environment seemed to have a lot to do with it -- I smelled much worse smoking in the garage than outside... but that's just common sense.
Anyway, I can definitely tell the difference. Some people claim FSCs smell/taste the same as non-FSCs... maybe for some people that's true, but not for me.
Tobacco companies argue that EVA has always been used (at least by PM) as a side-seam adhesive and is therefore safe, but this is nonsense. It's the equivalent of arguing that "one x-ray per year is safe, so fifty must also be safe." It makes no sense.
Yes, thanks for that wonderful info. I'm still trying to learn this stuff. I never knew smoking had a "science" to it. Leave it to the "digital" age!
Do you mind if I copy this and send it to a few people.
Okay so this is just a newbie's research. Some interesting stuff I found on wikipedia, so take it with as many grains of salt as you want....lol
Ethylene Vinyl Acetate
This is used to adhere the extra strips of paper in fire safe cigarettes that makes them "go out" if you do not actively smoke them. This stuff is not biodegradable within the body. There have been no major studies on the long term risks posed by the inhalation of fumes produced by the use of this substance in cigarettes. This substance is used in hot glue sticks carpet glue, plastiv wrap, foam rubber used in shoes, floats, fishing gear, book binding, cling wrap, paint, and diesel fuel to name a few. Ethylene-vinyl acetate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Propylene Glycol or pg
As most of us know by now this stuff is one of the ingredients used in e liquid to make it vaporize. It is classified as GRAS or "generally recognized as safe" by FDA as a food additive. It shows no evidence of being a carcinogen. "Studies conducted in 1942 by Dr. Oswald Hope Robertson of University of Chicago's Billings Hospital showed vaporized propylene glycol inhalation in laboratory mice may prevent pneumonia, influenza, and other respiratory diseases. Additional studies in monkeys and other animals were undertaken to determine longterm effects, especially the potential for accumulation in the lungs. After a few months of treatment, no ill effects were discovered." This substance is often used in oral, injectable, and topical pharmaceuticals, as a food additive, moisturizer, in fragrance oils,
antibacterial lotions, fog machines, paintballs snus, beer, non-toxic antifreeze, coolant, pipe tobacco (ummm hello this is inhaled has the FDA said anything about this?), deodorant, tattoo ink, and more (I named a few that stood out). PG is known to cause allergic reactions in some people, but don't most things. Propylene glycol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Vegetable Glycerin, glycerol, or vg
We all know that vg is used in e liquid along with pg or sometime instead of pg. It is classified by the FDA among the sugar alcohols as a caloric macronutrient (used in sweeteners). It is used as a thickening agent in liqueurs, as a food additive, filler in low-fat foods, in nitroglycerine,
snus, pharmaceutical and personal care products such as cought syrups,
mouthwash, soap, and personal lubricants. Glycerol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So this is just my two cents, but PG and VG look a lot better on paper than EVA. PG and VG are used in products that are commonly either injected, absorbed, or swallowed and in the case of pipe tobacco even inhaled into humans. EVA is used to glue things together. I realize that PG and VG have not had extensive research into the harmful effects they may have when inhaled into the lungs, but this ethylene vinyl acetate is in the same boat. I think we as adult human beings are smart enough to realize that there are risk factors when we take anything into our bodies, and when we do so we do it at our own risk. I think we need to tell the FDA where they can shove it.
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