Pneumonia

[knightx]

This morning I was reading local news in the office when I saw an article about a patient from Spain contracting pneumonia due to excessive vaping. Apparently, pneumonia is an inflammatory infection of the lungs —affecting primarily the microscopic air sacs known as alveoli (according to wikipedia) This got me worried because my friend's father recently passed away earlier this year due to pneumonia. Some threads have also suggested that particles from silica wicks are potentially hazardous to the lungs when inhaled. What are your views on this? Do you think that there are any potential risk from prolong vaping?

 

[mmsjs5]

I have vaped pretty much nonstop for almost 2 years and have never gotten pneumonia. In those 2 years, most/maybe all of my coils have had silica wicks. My health has done nothing but improve from vaping. There are a lot more dangerous things in cigarette smoke than in nicotine liquid or the atomizers we use.

 

[gumminhoz]

I hope there company develope an healty wick for us to use

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[wattageous]

Maybe that Spanish fella vaped excessive menthol/mint liquid.

 

[zanedog]

I hope in ten years we don't find out that Silica is similar to the asbestos they used to put in Cigarette filers...
I'm switching to cotton.

Asbestos Cigarette Filters - Mesothelioma Risks from General Products

 

[Jarmun]

So that is one documented case of vaper contracting pneumonia. How many cases of non-vaper contracting pneumonia had there been over there? The only thing i believe we can conclude from this example is excessive vaping does not prevent pneumonia completely. Other than that, to attribute the infection to vaping seems like propaganda to me.

 

[DragonSG]

These are for extreme cases, n affects most individual wuth existing ailments esp those asthma or sensitive/allergic to PG/VG. same with excessive smoking which is worse as it can cause immediate death from choking..same for drinking too much water..lol.

Firstly, avoid silica n reduce nicotine level if u r not comfortable n use organic cotton..n add more .VG (depends on sensitivity) to ur mix..as it is natural substance.

Make too much love can also cause death or burst blood vessels in kuku bird as reported in the news.

 

[zanedog]

Make too much love can also cause death or burst blood vessels in kuku bird as reported in the news.

Say it isn't so!!

 

[AmandaD]

It would be interesting to know how it was documented, and how it was shown to cause pneumonia? For all we know it was published in the equivalent of the National Enquirer....just sayin'

 

[k702]

You may get pneumonia:

After you breathe infected air particles into your lungs.
After you breathe certain bacteria from your nose and throat into your lungs. This generally occurs during sleep.
During or after a viral upper respiratory infection, such as a cold or influenza (flu).
As a complication of a viral illness, such as measles or chickenpox.
If you breathe large amounts of food, gastric juices from the stomach, or vomit into the lungs (aspiration pneumonia). This can happen when you have had a medical condition that affects your ability to swallow, such as a seizure or a stroke.

One of these problems most likely existed, vaping was merely a coincidental piece of the pie. For a real understanding of this exact case you would have to know when he was vaping, where he was vaping, what the temperature was when he was vaping (when it's cold outside it brings the temp inside your nostrils down enough for bacteria to thrive, you breathe those in and then you get sick.) who he was vaping with, what he was vaping on, and on and on and on.. All we have is, "person b told me that person c got pneumonia from vaping, what does this mean as far as vaping side effects?!"

so.. Fact -
vaping did not give him pneumonia.

When asking something like this it's good to have facts, and data, maybe even an actual link to a report. Otherwise you're just saying stuff.

 

[DragonSG]

Beware of excessive water drinking. .worse than vaping..lol.Strange but True: Drinking Too Much Water Can Kill - Scientific American

 

[knightx]

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/health-safety-e-smoking/377764-dangers-silica-wicks.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/modding-forum/284030-wick-materials-safe-vs-dangerous.html

Spain patient gets pneumonia by e-cigarettes: hospital

Here are some links for references. I know many will argue that smoking is way more harmful than vaping. However, I believe that is no excuse for us to be exposed to potential health problems which we are yet unaware of. Most people say that the only thing which is harmful would be the nicotine, which is just as harmless as caffeine. I hope we are not misleading each other and that is really the only 'danger'... Has anyone thought about whether the vapor condensing in our lungs, would cause some sort of excessive liquid forming in our lungs? Hope to hear more from you guys

Cheers to greater health!

 

[suspectK]

Has anyone thought about whether the vapor condensing in our lungs, would cause some sort of excessive liquid forming in our lungs?

I live in Alabama..I breathe in more condensation on a single day in the summer than I would vape in a lifetime.

Exercise, drink and eat healthy, and don't vape bunk liquid.. if you get sick, don't stay bed locked if possible.

 

[k702]

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/health-safety-e-smoking/377764-dangers-silica-wicks.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/modding-forum/284030-wick-materials-safe-vs-dangerous.html

Spain patient gets pneumonia by e-cigarettes: hospital

Here are some links for references. I know many will argue that smoking is way more harmful than vaping. However, I believe that is no excuse for us to be exposed to potential health problems which we are yet unaware of. Most people say that the only thing which is harmful would be the nicotine, which is just as harmless as caffeine. I hope we are not misleading each other and that is really the only 'danger'... Has anyone thought about whether the vapor condensing in our lungs, would cause some sort of excessive liquid forming in our lungs? Hope to hear more from you guys

Cheers to greater health!

I would be less worried about the nic then I would some of the flavorings. But that's neither here nor there, we don't have all the research yet.. As for the bolded part of what I quoted from you.. Kinda doubt it.. or they wouldn't use very similar technology to deliver medicine to people suffering from asthma, and other respiratory problems.

with Pneumonia it's more the act of inhaling deeply and repeatedly in a cold environment over a prolonged length of time. As I said in my other post Bacteria find it easier to live in the conditions created inside the nose on a cold day. When you breathe in deeply over and over (vaping/smoking/go for a run and lose your breath) in those conditions you make yourself more likely to inhale those bacteria and expose yourself to infection. But even then you really kinda need one of the other factors (something like bad asthma or a disease in the lungs) for even that to really do much..

 

[espada]

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/health-safety-e-smoking/377764-dangers-silica-wicks.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/modding-forum/284030-wick-materials-safe-vs-dangerous.html

Spain patient gets pneumonia by e-cigarettes: hospital

"The disease was caused by a vegetable-based ingredient in the replaceable cartridges that produce the vapour for inhalation, the source added."

wow.

To mislead or real. Makes me wonder.

 

[k702]

THE first-ever case of pneumonia in Spain and the second in the world caused by electronic or 'E-cigarettes' has been diagnosed in the north-western region of Galicia.

Pneumologists at A Coruña University Hospital say the patient is aged 50 and was smoking up to five cartridges a day – equivalent to about five packets of cigarettes.

They believe the condition is caused by vegetable-based glycerine, an essential ingredient for the nicotine in E-cigarettes to vaporise.

According to head of Bronchology at the hospital, Dr Carmen Montero, the patient had gone there for a completely different health problem but was tested when he was found to be suffering from a persistent and violent cough, fatigue and breathlessness.

An X-ray, a CAT scan and a broncoscopy revealed lung infiltrations, and he was diagnosed with a lipoidal pneumonia.

The vegetable-based glycerine, which is a lipid, goes straight to the lungs without burning up first and sits there.

In the case of the patient in Galicia, enough had accumulated to put his life in danger and his condition was critical for several days, although he is said to be recovering well.

Already, the socialists have called for a ban on smoking E-cigarettes in shops, bars, restaurants and hotels, as is the case with traditional cigarettes, and the reigning PP government intends to prohibit smoking them near or in schools, children's educational or play centres, hospitals and health centres.

Dr Julia Tábara of the A Coruña University Hospital's tobacco-related illnesses department says that although E-cigarettes do not always contain nicotine – the addictive ingredient in traditional cigarettes – they do indeed contain other harmful substances such as propylenglycol, which is an irritant to the respiratory system and causes asthma in children; vegetable-based glycerine; nitrosamines, which are carcinogenic; dietylenglycol, found in anti-freeze chemicals, as well as the flavouring ingredients and other heavy metals.

The World Health Organisation (WHO) has placed a ban on advertising E-cigarettes as a way of giving up smoking, and the PP government intends to prevent publicity for them before the TV watershed or in any way that may be considered as directed at the under-18s.

They say he was "smoking" 5 cartridges a day.. They say equal to five packs, we all know that's not exactly true.. they don't tell you what type of cartridges.. They don't give much info whatsoever, astonishing. If he was going through 5 a day, say the evod cartridges. That would be a good bit of inhaling.. And they also say he went in there for another reason, though they don't state what the reason was.. Wonder if it might have had something to do with his respiratory system? This story seems utterly biased.

 

[conelle]

Doesn't matter if it is true that his respiratory condition is induced by vaping or not. Pneumonia is largely caused by bacterial infection in the lower respiratory tract.

We should practice good hygiene when vaping. Clean your apparatus periodically and prepare your liquid as sterile as possible. This is the least we can do.

If still get sick, then boh pian liao

 

[DragonSG]

Yes..basic hygiene n housekeeping is important..Drip tip/tanks should be thoroughly Washed Frequently. ..battery connection threads..including charger threads .. be cleaned....else its more due to users issue ..lol

 

[Rickajho]

Can we stick to facts? (Which are sorely missing from that news report.) The guy went to the hospital with "other" and they said he developed exogenous lipoid pneumonia once he was there.

The cases citing exogenous lipoid pneumonia I can locate mention two things: 1.) It's very rare. 2.) It typically involves a patient either ingesting, injecting, or stuffing an oil based substance somewhere in their body. That includes anything from eating it (taking daily mineral oil to "treat" chronic constipation), sticking it up their nose (using mineral oil to "treat" dry nasal passages) or actually injecting the likes of olive oil. Like here:

Not Your Typical Pneumonia: A Case of Exogenous Lipoid Pneumonia

Exogenous lipoid pneumonia (ELP) is a rare form of pneumonia caused by inhalation or aspiration of a fatty substance. ELP has been reported with inhalation or ingestion of petroleum jelly, mineral oils, “nasal drops,” and even intravenous injection of olive oil.

Our case illustrates a rare finding of hemoptysis in a patient with exogenous lipoid pneumonia, who was taking mineral oil nightly. The case also highlights the need for warning labels to be placed on over the counter mineral oil and the need to educate primary care physicians about this possible adverse reaction to this type of laxative, especially in patients with gastroesophageal reflux disease or with difficulty swallowing.

I can find several case reports like this, all pointing to some form of oil ingestion. And since the latest case says the guy already went to the hospital for some unnamed reason who knows what the 99% of missing facts are we don't know. Including if he was a mineral oil abuser, had a pre-existing swallowing problem, or was even a fire eater that smeared petroleum jelly all over his face as part of the act - it's what they do.

Sorry, not buying it. If you research exogenous lipoid pneumonia you can find all the causes for it, but I'm not seeing e-cigarette vapor cited even once in the case reports to date.

 

[VIN.SIN]

The link to the artice..

Spain patient gets pneumonia by e-cigarettes: hospital

The extract..

"He was diagnosed with exogenous lipoid pneumonia caused by an excessive use of electronic cigarette," said the source at the A Coruna University Hospital, who asked not be named.

Why did he decline to be identified...