Practically chucked out of my local...

[Al Capwn]

Just been banned (practically) from my local pub for vaping!

Not good news. I went there last weekend and out of the three people I wen t with I was the only vaper (one other smoker was present who took an occasional vape off me and went outside to smoke otherwise), and they were fine with it. I know the land lady and land lord very well so I joked with them and they seemed quite clued up (how it was vapour and not smoke etc) but this week was very different…..

…this week I went back with a friend, who is a vaper. Anyway we were fine until around 1pm when the Land Lady decided she didn’t like it (a smoker by the way, her husband the Land Lord was fine with it and he’s never smoked) and said from then on it was banned inside her pub. Thinking she was joking , I accused her of jealousy (still being a smoker) and she told me, in all seriousness, that a few customers had complained about me and my mate using the e-cig, complaining of dry throats and she then accused me and my friend of being “cocky” about using them during the night.
I again confirmed she wasn’t joking as my mate took a drag from his e-cig and promptly got a final warning from the bouncer they hire on a Saturday night, she said that the land lady had requested no one can “smoke” e-cigs in her pub. I, politely asked, on what scientific basis they were banned, only that I (and any friends) would not return if I was expected to stand outside breathing in carcinogens from smokers. I got a blank expression and a “I just don’t wan’t it in here OK?” back.

With that, we finished up and left….

I’m gutted tbh, it’s my local and have always got on with the owners, not sure if the land lady was ...... (drunk) or what but I’m going to avoid the place for a few months now. L

 

[Zal42]

she told me, in all seriousness, that a few customers had complained about me and my mate using the e-cig

That there's the reason for her change of heart. It's unfortunate, but it's pretty easy to understand. If I were you, I'd keep going to the pub. I'd just stealth vape or hang out with the smokers.

 

[b4cz28]

That there's the reason for her change of heart. It's unfortunate, but it's pretty easy to understand. If I were you, I'd keep going to the pub. I'd just stealth vape or hang out with the smokers.

I walk around walmart and where ever doing it....just wait till no ones looking!

 

[joegti240]

I again confirmed she wasn’t joking as my mate took a drag from his e-cig and promptly got a final warning from the bouncer they hire on a Saturday night, she said that the land lady had requested no one can “smoke” e-cigs in her pub. I, politely asked, on what scientific basis they were banned, only that I (and any friends) would not return if I was expected to stand outside breathing in carcinogens from smokers. I got a blank expression and a “I just don’t wan’t it in here OK?” back.

You some type of high roller where you can just do what you want in peoples places of business? If this were my place, you would be leaving...head first.

 

[HippyJeepChick]

That is unfortunate! The general public is just not informed about e-cigs well enough to accept them sometimes. Hubby and I went to Chris Cornell show last night at the House of Blues and my husband was vaping inside. I took a few stealth vapes but that wasn't really satisfying me. The girls next to me were chatting and I heard them tell each other that he shouldn't be doing it inside. I explained to her what is was and she said "oh, ok, that's cool". However, I made him go outside with me so I could vape because I just didn't feel comfortable doing it inside. We went outside and was standing in the non-smoking area vaping and the doorman told us we had to go behind the ropes. I told him it was an e-cig and he said I was fine then.He says "you can use that inside if you want". I told him I didn't really feel comfortable doing it inside and didn't want anyone .....ing about it or smokers getting ticked off because they have to go outside. He agreed and said that would probably happen. It was a rowdy crowd last night and that place was insanely packed! I still don't feel comfortable vaping inside establishments and will just go outside with the smokers but far enough away from them so I don't have to breath in all that smoke.

 

[Al Capwn]

You some type of high roller where you can just do what you want in peoples places of business? If this were my place, you would be leaving...head first.

And are you some kind of Col Gaddafi character? So you would chuck people out "head first" for something that is legal and that you were fine with all night until the end? Did you not read the OP, they said it was fine last week and allowed it last night until just before closing time when they suddenly decided to change their policy.

Oh and you must have also missed that I am a local so it would be against your business interests to treat loyal customers the way you suggest.

For your information, I didn't vape as soon as the lady lady proudly proclaimed how she was going to be the first pub in the area to ban e-cigs. It was my friend who then pulled out his TT as we thought she was joking.

 

[bmwjen]

I'd go to the bar down the street & that bar would never see a dime of my cash ever again.

As far as being chucked out head first........uh, yeah we'd have to see about that.

 

[Lambch3p]

A bar belongs to the owner, it is their private property. It is like it is their living room that they let you hang out in. Would you be this upset if a friend didn't want you vaping in their house? They make the rules and can refuse service to anyone for any non-discrimatory reason (I've worked in and managed bars for 20 years and know all the laws). It is not your right to behave however you want. Although she could have been more polite about it, it is her bar so what she says gos. You arguing with her is what got you almost banned not the vaping. What is your right is to choose to go somewhere else. But you should be asking if it is acceptable to vape in the people's places before you start vaping, like you would if you were in someone's home. This would avoid all the conflict about the issue. I agree very much withbmwjen, I would never go back and would give my money to someone who supports vaping. jmho

 

[SaturnineDenial]

If a place of business wants a ban, then we have to respect it. Some of the bans are out of spite (owners being smokers who haven't made the switch and have to smoke outside) and others are in the interest of business (nonsmoker complaints and smoker complaints). With all of the negative press about e-cigarettes, most business owners don't know what to think. The only way we're going to be accepted is to always be polite and respectful of business owner's wishes. If vapers use their PVs without permission, it could be seen as disrespectful. If vapers use PVs in places that smoking isn't allowed, it is the same situation. We know that vaping is safer than smoking, but there aren't enough conclusive studies and rights for vapers to vape wherever they please.

It is upsetting, but it is those customers that complained, not the land lady, that you should be angry with. As a manager, I often have to kick people out of the establishment that are negatively affecting other customers. The people that I ask to leave are often customers as well. Business owners and managers often have to make utilitarian decisions. In this event, asking you not to vape in the establishment was negative, but it was outweighed by the positive effect of lowered complaints from the other customers.

 

[Al Capwn]

A bar belongs to the owner, it is their private property.

Wrong, unless it's a Free House which this isn't, it is owned by the Brewery.

It is like it is their living room that they let you hang out in.

No it's not, it's a place of business. A couple of B&B owners here in the UK tried to use the "it's my home, my rules" argument when they refused beds for a gay couple and they rightly lost in court when they were sued.

Would you be this upset if a friend didn't want you vaping in their house?

Well I would ask them why and try and educate them if the reason was due to smoking related concerns. But as I've explained someone's house is different to a place of business.

If I had a racist friend who didn't want me bring black people to his house I wouldn't do it but I would be outraged if a pub (or any type of business) tried to implement the same policy under the logic that it is their house.

They make the rules and can refuse service to anyone for any non-discrimatory reason (I've worked in and managed bars for 20 years and know all the laws).

US laws maybe, I'm from the UK.

But you should be asking if it is acceptable to vape in the people's places before you start vaping

As I said, we did last week and they were fine about it, again they allowed it this week until a sudden change of heart just beore we left so to make out that I walked in there and started vaping willy nilly is rubbish.

, like you would if you were in someone's home.

But it's not their home. Also on that logic the drinks should be free as I'd be a bit miffed if I went to someone's home and they tried to charge me after offering me a drink.

 

[Al Capwn]

If a place of business wants a ban, then we have to respect it. Some of the bans are out of spite (owners being smokers who haven't made the switch and have to smoke outside) and others are in the interest of business (nonsmoker complaints and smoker complaints). With all of the negative press about e-cigarettes, most business owners don't know what to think. The only way we're going to be accepted is to always be polite and respectful of business owner's wishes. If vapers use their PVs without permission, it could be seen as disrespectful. If vapers use PVs in places that smoking isn't allowed, it is the same situation. We know that vaping is safer than smoking, but there aren't enough conclusive studies and rights for vapers to vape wherever they please.

It is upsetting, but it is those customers that complained, not the land lady, that you should be angry with. As a manager, I often have to kick people out of the establishment that are negatively affecting other customers. The people that I ask to leave are often customers as well. Business owners and managers often have to make utilitarian decisions. In this event, asking you not to vape in the establishment was negative, but it was outweighed by the positive effect of lowered complaints from the other customers.

I think you are right about the spite thing, as I said the Land Lady is a smoker and had to go outside all night and you're right about it all being about the £££ (reading between the lines of your last paragraph). If 3 people complain about 2 vapers, the vaping is banned but if 3 people complained about 10 people vaping I'm sure the complainers would be told to find another pub.

The funny thing we had a lot of people coming up to us asking us where they could get one, so it may turn out the pub may have to change it's mind if a large proportion of it's customers start vaping.

 

[Lambch3p]

Sorry to ruffle you feathers, I didn't mean to. I'm not here to argue with anyone but you asked us for our opinions. I didn't realize you weren't in the U.S. Here all bar are private property, like a person's home is, I didn't mean it literally. But You acted badly by arguing with the landlord of an establishment that you don't own. It sucks but sometime we have do do things someone else's way and follow their rules. And let me add I said nondiscriminatory reasons (as is the law in U.S. here we have the right to refuse service for any reason at anytime as long as it is not race or sex). You also stated that you vaped after she asked you not to, that is flat out rude and disrespectful. How do you treat people who disrespect you. Do you listen to what they have to say or do you get mad like the bar's landlord? It's funny that you say you would talk to a friend who didn't want you vaping in their home but you didn't do that with the landlord. You vaped in her face. Once again you were not asked to leave for vaping but because of the attitude you took with her. It is not a human right to vape where ever you please and you getting angry with the land lord won't fix things. Try to see things from her perspective. Would you rather listen to a bunch of drunk people complain about someone vaping all night or ask one person not to vape? You should have said no problem. If I were you I'd find another bar to hang in or better yet buy your own so you can make the rules I wasn't trying to make you mad just trying to get you to see the other side.

 

[Mael$†я♂m]

If I ran a pub & someone complained of "dry throat" I would suggest they have another bitter.

 

[KeithB]

It her place and it's her rules. But it's your money and you can decide where you want to spend it.

 

[SaturnineDenial]

Vappanoob,
You're right. That is a possible solution to the dilemma. You could encourage some of the smokers to start using PVs. If more of the pub regulars requested to use their PVs, it would outweigh the complaining patrons. Even if she is doing it out of spite, most people have enough business sense to make the decision that positively affects the most patrons.

 

[Mael$†я♂m]

Give her a pv .You'll get free pints I bet .

 

[JudgeVape]

...and she told me, in all seriousness, that a few customers had complained about me and my mate using the e-cig, complaining of dry throats...

It is not at all inexplicable that this may be true. They could have a mild allergy to PG or the effects could have been a psychosomatic reaction. It doesn't actually matter which.

 

[lerrygibson]

That is unfortunate! The general public is just not informed about e-cigs well enough to accept them sometimes. Hubby and I went to Chris Cornell show last night at the House of Blues and my husband was vaping inside. I took a few stealth vapes but that wasn't really satisfying me. The girls next to me were chatting and I heard them tell each other that he shouldn't be doing it inside. I explained to her what is was and she said "oh, ok, that's cool". However, I made him go outside with me so I could vape because I just didn't feel comfortable doing it inside. We went outside and was standing in the non-smoking area vaping and the doorman told us we had to go behind the ropes. I told him it was an e-cig and he said I was fine then.He says "you can use that inside if you want". I told him I didn't really feel comfortable doing it inside and didn't want anyone .....ing about it or smokers getting ticked off because they have to go outside. He agreed and said that would probably happen. It was a rowdy crowd last night and that place was insanely packed! I still don't feel comfortable vaping inside establishments and will just go outside with the smokers but far enough away from them so I don't have to breath in all that smoke.

It happens usually when many people are not aware of E-cigarettes and vaping. They must get told of this so that, they can better differentiate. No one likes to vap inside the hall or any other public places. It is just better to let all the people understand how E-cig is beneficial.

 

[GoneWiththeWind]

If more people followed the goldern rule: TREAT PEOPLE THE WAY YOU'D LIKE TO BE TREATED life would run a lot more smoothly.
Respect prevails.

 

[crevenew]

I want to reply to this thread and general e cig issue with respect. Here's the deal education is king. If people know about a topic they generally can make an improved/educated decision. On the flip side if something is forced, flaunted,pushed on to someone they resist. This Resistance can come in many forms and usually the person with power (owner of bar in this case) wins the first battle.
I do not understand why anybody wants to stealth vape, nothing to do with this thread, by doing this you are in fact sublimely suggesting you are doing something wrong.

Why the aggressive stance? I have used my PV at major chain restaurants, sports bars, etc. I have been turned down a few times, but the majority of time get the OK. Generally after the manager OK, multiple conversations open up with me and other customers about what, how, why , etc of ECigs.

In summary ask for permission in private places, accept no if given. If answer is yes prep yourself to engage with others as they give you the eye or ask questions.Education is King.