Atty, that sounds accurate...if you add the short & sweet summary of how it is now, and how we'd like to be i think we've got it!
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Good point Tibby. Why do we have that request again? That's to facilitate jj's "other people can open welcome threads" thing, yes? And an attempt for jj/j0ker to have a mechanism to verify they are eligible. However, by your definition, not our issue. So confused. We don't have to require anything. That's up to the contest, not up to PVT.
i think we left the one post minimum so that we could track that it was started prior to turning- but i honestly don't care about the 1 post minimum. verification of starting prior to turning is for the most part easy enough to see by comparing thread start date to join date. And if someone is getting their posts in after a couple of years-we cant verify the prior, but it's still a rarity and more power to them. (we're the ones who drag people into PVT and make them post till they hit the minimum) 
. if they don't come through pvt, we'll still see the welcome thread and post in it...however, I'm pretty sure someone made me put it back in when i tried to leave it out.
so, let's leave it for now. I'm still hoping Starry and JJ will be by to give us a vote on what we have now.
. if they don't come through pvt, we'll still see the welcome thread and post in it...however, I'm pretty sure someone made me put it back in when i tried to leave it out.
so, let's leave it for now. I'm still hoping Starry and JJ will be by to give us a vote on what we have now.
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Agree. Stopping by to say hello is a nicety, good but perhaps a shrug unless someone explicitly wants the party, in which case they have to stop by to play.
Not sure what you mean... I thought we needed that to meet the prevet, have a little chat about possible themes, make sure that all the entry rules are being followed, that the thread is open in the right forum--easily accessible by us to post our welcomes in and for jj to mark eligibility. I don't see why that would be unreasonable--we have to keep track of the threads that qualify for contests.
What if they decide to open that thread in a different forum?
What if we miss it?
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then it's not eligible unless they can convince a mod to move it to the proper location.
i think we left the one post minimum so that we could track it- but i honestly don't care about that. if they don't come through pvt, we'll still see the welcome thread and post in it...however, I'm pretty sure someone made me put it back in when i tried to leave it out.
CES I left a comment way back---about the need to keep it K.I.S.S. as humanly possible. Otherwise, if you are all happy, go for it--you all are going to have to deal with the end results.
then it's not eligible unless they can convince a mod to move it to the proper location.
I see. I think.
No, I don't see.
I thought we were the prevets and if they want to play and celebrate with us, they need to go through us... What am I missing? I mean, anyone can open a celebratory thread for anyone... anywhere...
I can't quote it ... it's a quote already. So...
1) JJ needs to verify that's how it works.
2) The phrase "at the exact time that they joined" is erroneous. The exact time they joined is their join date (when they signed up for ECF). You're talking about 365 days after that, at the next 25 past the hour.... as we understand that's how the software works.
jj/J0ker should verify this.
Also with "threads marked -- are eligible for the GP drawing" ... we need to work on that. You mean "also eligible" or "now eligible"?... the ++ ones are too. What about unmarked ones (may not be up to us)... but you get my point?
I think we are still defining "present at the time of their turning", no? Wasn't there discussion on that? I know we voted for options, but I'm not sure we locked in the text yet.
Be patient with me CES. We want others to respond too.
Amnesty verbiage needs work, IMO (close date?).
Beautiful work thus far!
I see. I think.
No, I don't see.
I thought we were the prevets and if they want to play and celebrate with us, they need to go through us... What am I missing? I mean, anyone can open a celebratory thread for anyone... anywhere...
The "must stop by and make 1 post FOR PEOPLE THAT HAVE SOMEONE OUTSIDE OF PVT OPEN THEIR THREAD" thing was before we clarified that the scope of this reply is the PVT thread.
It was intended to help jj verify I think. The whole verification thing is tricky (low post count, not logged in for a year...). Usually it's strait forward though.
Kat is correctL if they want to have us post a welcome thread or have an avatar party...they have to post with us so we know about them prior to turning. However, I don't see a reason to have it required for threads we won't deal with.
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OK, I still think that we should ask the prevets (or their vet sponsors, whatever) to stop by the thread to inform us that a thread will be open and in the right place. Even if it's only a matter of common courtesy to make our lives easier. One post in the prevets is not too much of a hardship.
I really don't see why someone would object to this. It's a small gesture and it would make our lives (and jj's and J0ker's) much easier.
I really don't see why someone would object to this. It's a small gesture and it would make our lives (and jj's and J0ker's) much easier.
Atty, it may look like I'm trying to lock in the text, but I'm really trying to lock down the concepts so that we (or someone who's good at that) can lock down the text as simply as possible. yes, it's currently 365 day after joining, at 25 minutes past the hour in which they joined, if they have at least 75 posts. (i get tired of typing)
We are trying to define "present at turning", but we've never really had to define it so specifically before, and we're not going to cover every eventuality. No matter what, there will be something we haven't thought of, or something we messed up.
We can word amnesty however we want, as long as people are good with the concept
here is what i have now....it's yours to edit as you see fit for inclusion in the full post to j0ker...
how it works now....
1. welcome thread - entitles the prevet to an entry in the monthly contests. to get a thread, all that is needed is to ask for one or have an ecf vet start it in the new vets forum prior to turning. (In practice it has always come through PVT. )
2. avatar party- must request and be present on the PVT thread 365day after joining, at 25 minutes past the hour in which they joined, if they have at least 75 posts., any deviations from the forum default timing results in disqualification from the entry for the grand prize.
(plus the specific mechanics)
what we want
1. welcome thread - entitles the prevet an entry in the monthly contests and the year –end grand prize drawing. Eligible threads will started in the new vets forum prior to turning, either by us or a sponsoring vet. The welcome thread request comes through PVT, in the form of 1 post minimum in PVT. Threads must be started prior to turning and cannot be self-started
2. Avatar parties: the welcome threads of those who schedule avatar parties in advance and attend them are eligible for entry into a bonus drawing at the end of the year. The party can be rescheduled from the forum default time without penalty. However, the new vet MUST be present at the time of their turning to be eligible for the bonus drawing.
(in practice this means that threads marked – are eligible for the GP drawing, only ++ (or threads are eligible for the bonus drawing)
(if joker can't add a bonus drawing, then a bonus entry into the GP drawing would be the second choice option).
Yes:
CES, Katya, Whiskey, TomCatt, Tibs, Atty (though he prefers the second choice option) (Tibs is voting Fran’s proxy so that’s a Yes vote for Fran) Morri , Mark, Nat (katya now has Nat’s proxy too)
“amnesty”, meaning that welcome threads from Jan1 used as contest entries but marked with - - are eligible for the grand prize drawing yes Katys, CES, Tibs, Mark
We are trying to define "present at turning", but we've never really had to define it so specifically before, and we're not going to cover every eventuality. No matter what, there will be something we haven't thought of, or something we messed up.
We can word amnesty however we want, as long as people are good with the concept
here is what i have now....it's yours to edit as you see fit for inclusion in the full post to j0ker...
how it works now....
1. welcome thread - entitles the prevet to an entry in the monthly contests. to get a thread, all that is needed is to ask for one or have an ecf vet start it in the new vets forum prior to turning. (In practice it has always come through PVT. )
2. avatar party- must request and be present on the PVT thread 365day after joining, at 25 minutes past the hour in which they joined, if they have at least 75 posts., any deviations from the forum default timing results in disqualification from the entry for the grand prize.
(plus the specific mechanics)
what we want
1. welcome thread - entitles the prevet an entry in the monthly contests and the year –end grand prize drawing. Eligible threads will started in the new vets forum prior to turning, either by us or a sponsoring vet. The welcome thread request comes through PVT, in the form of 1 post minimum in PVT. Threads must be started prior to turning and cannot be self-started
2. Avatar parties: the welcome threads of those who schedule avatar parties in advance and attend them are eligible for entry into a bonus drawing at the end of the year. The party can be rescheduled from the forum default time without penalty. However, the new vet MUST be present at the time of their turning to be eligible for the bonus drawing.
(in practice this means that threads marked – are eligible for the GP drawing, only ++ (or
threads are eligible for the bonus drawing) (if joker can't add a bonus drawing, then a bonus entry into the GP drawing would be the second choice option).
Yes:
CES, Katya, Whiskey, TomCatt, Tibs, Atty (though he prefers the second choice option) (Tibs is voting Fran’s proxy so that’s a Yes vote for Fran) Morri , Mark, Nat (katya now has Nat’s proxy too)
“amnesty”, meaning that welcome threads from Jan1 used as contest entries but marked with - - are eligible for the grand prize drawing yes Katys, CES, Tibs, Mark
Well, the thought (correct or not) is "not our problem. We cannot comment on what j0ker or jj do, only on PVT."
However, if jj/joker want to build that into the process to have us assist with verification, that's different IMO. That request should come from them, not us.
A lot of this came up in the pre-turning vs post-turning verification talk too. Now that we've decided that PVT still = pre-turning and that we aren't commenting on additional things that jj/j0ker can do... do we need it?
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lets not make any last minute changes. everyone (except for starry) has commented and voted on it as it is now. once we get feedback from j0ker we can make the next round of changes.
we don't have to have everything nailed down in the first round, and we really need j0ker's input for some of the details.
we don't have to have everything nailed down in the first round, and we really need j0ker's input for some of the details.
No love, you didn't do it. Whiskey had asked me early that morning if I would be on the committee.
I am formally on this committee.
And also want to thank you for such sweet and kind words. It is nice that you guys wanted me too, is why I didn't say anything.
morri
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Hey. I didn't want to edit the thing anyway.
I'm sure you'll do a great job. I'm making a request along those "let's wait" lines... I'll be unavailable most of tomorrow, busy in RW... but I'll get to comment by the evening (I think).
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