Kat... that's like say'n "Yes" with changes otherwise "no".
I want to bring up the 30 day thing. jj said it. J0ker said it. You said it. Sooo... ready Tibby?
no - no more for me - that has nothing to do with prevets ......
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no - no more for me - that has nothing to do with prevets ......
we take care of prevets, that's our part. if other parts get added, fine - but that does not concern me.
Sure it does. Well, kinda.
J0ker said something like "Let them joined the contest in the month that they turn vet" or some such (I should go back and find his exact quote). And jj quoted him. markfm said something about a 30 day window.
Your point about PRE-vet Thread being PRE-vet (not turned) is well made.
So are you saying that the contest is not tied to pre-vet thread? Or that pre-vet thread is the only part we are discussing?
J0ker said something like "Let them joined the contest in the month that they turn vet" or some such (I should go back and find his exact quote). And jj quoted him. markfm said something about a 30 day window.
Your point about PRE-vet Thread being PRE-vet (not turned) is well made.
So are you saying that the contest is not tied to pre-vet thread? Or that pre-vet thread is the only part we are discussing?
and i'm pretty sure ces had brought this up in one option and the votes went to ''prior'' maybe best to take another count. you know my vote
Kat... that's like say'n "Yes" with changes otherwise "no".
I want to bring up the 30 day thing. jj said it. J0ker said it. You said it. Sooo... ready Tibby?
Again, Atty. I vote yes for the ballot and the amnesty (all welcome threads eligible for grand drawing, bonus drawing for avatar party attendees--must witness actual turning).
The 30-day grace period is an additional (and new) change that I'm not sure about. I think we might ask for a quick up and down on that--if that's what the majority wants. If not, I'm fine either way.
I just think we need to stop tweaking at some point. This was supposed to be OUR (the committee's) decision. We welcome input--before the final vote--but we (majority) decide.
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atty, j0ker can do as he pleases - but we are not running the contest, we are running prevets
now i'm really gone
now i'm really gone
atty, the contest was tied to pvt then jj added that any vet can open a welcoming thread for an incoming vet and there is nothing wrong with that. we voted to have either the sponsoring vet or the prevet stop by and post at least once so we won't overlook these welcome threads.
joker has also added the mini contests open for all. if he wants to expand further and add privileges to any vet who turned in the current month that is up to him but really has nothing to do with us.
True, but because we are running the prevets, J0ker said specifically to come up with the set of rules we can live with. He made suggestions, but left the final decision to us. He was very clear about this.
Our problems began when contest rules were imposed on us without real consultation. I don't want to relitigate, but I don't want this to happen again, either.
We're in the trenches and we have to know what to tell those new vets who show up and say, "Hey, I just noticed I'm a vet. What do i do now?"
We have 6 months left to the end of the year. Let's make it as easy for everyone as possible.
I'm afraid Tibs is correct. So here's my amended vote:
Yes on the ballot.
Yes on the amnesty.
No (not now) on the 30-day grace period--too many moving parts and a possibility of a revolt from the January-June people.] This can be revisited for the 2013 contest rules.
And that's my final vote. Really. Honestly. Cross my heart.
Back to RW.
Thank you all! Great discussion.
Ok, I vote yes for the ballot and the amnesty...I assumed amnesty. As I've said, acceptance of the proposed changes renders all of the -- markings meaningless.
ETA: I'm not in favor of the grace period right now.
Atty, joker does have input. Yes, he said as broad as possible,... but what he asked for first was "what do we want". we're almost done ironing that out. not everyone was ok with it being as broad as he suggested.
Let's get JJ's and starry's vote on what we have in front of us now, and then send what we have to j0ker to see what he thinks. ok, maybe he'll send it back to us...but let's let's not try to guess exaclty what he wants. If he sends it back then that's the next step in the process. if he doesn't sent it back then we deal with the next items for discussion.
It's hard enough doing this stuff with everyone in the same room at the same time, but to do it piecemeal on a thread is extra difficult- and we've done well with this process. When we get what we want ironed out then we can bring in some 'PVT naive' people in to help us with whether the wording is confusing and whether we're communicating what we've decided upon. I'm fine with and appreciate people offering their input on this thread- but i am NOT in favor of hunting people down to make them look at this when we're not done yet.
ETA: I'm not in favor of the grace period right now.
Atty, joker does have input. Yes, he said as broad as possible,... but what he asked for first was "what do we want". we're almost done ironing that out. not everyone was ok with it being as broad as he suggested.
Let's get JJ's and starry's vote on what we have in front of us now, and then send what we have to j0ker to see what he thinks. ok, maybe he'll send it back to us...but let's let's not try to guess exaclty what he wants. If he sends it back then that's the next step in the process. if he doesn't sent it back then we deal with the next items for discussion.
It's hard enough doing this stuff with everyone in the same room at the same time, but to do it piecemeal on a thread is extra difficult- and we've done well with this process. When we get what we want ironed out then we can bring in some 'PVT naive' people in to help us with whether the wording is confusing and whether we're communicating what we've decided upon. I'm fine with and appreciate people offering their input on this thread- but i am NOT in favor of hunting people down to make them look at this when we're not done yet.
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Mark, you've been participating in the discussion, would you please also vote on the options we're looking at now?
(please note i accepted Tibs amendment on # 1 )
what we want
1. 1. welcome thread - entitles the prevet to an entry in the monthly contests and the year –end grand prize drawing. Eligible threads will started in the new vets' forum prior to turning, either by us or a sponsoring vet.
The welcome thread request comes through PVT, in the form of 1 post minimum in PVT. Threads must be started prior to turning and cannot be self-started.
2. Avatar parties: the welcome threads of those who schedule avatar parties in advance and attend them are eligible for entry into a bonus drawing at the end of the year. The party can be rescheduled from the forum default time without penalty. However, the new vet MUST be present at the time of their turning to be eligible for the bonus drawing.
(in practice this means that threads marked – are eligible for the GP drawing, only ++ (or
(please note i accepted Tibs amendment on # 1
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I agree.
For what it's worth.
yup - after wearing my finger to the bone, lol!
has nat voted?
i know my name is not mark but i thought we had voted on retroactive mostly to not disturb the current marking system ....
yup - after wearing my finger to the bone, lol!
has nat voted?
Hey, nobody said it would be easy. But I understand your concerns--I didn't think of the implications, really. Sorry!
But that's why we're having this conversation--to really think things through befere we sign on the dotted line--as it were.
Thanks for helping me see the big picture.
oops, Nat has not voted yet either ...
we need Starry, JJ, Nat, Mark (and Allazar if he comes back)
we need Starry, JJ, Nat, Mark (and Allazar if he comes back)
1&2 are both yes. It allows good access to the gp, & an extra effort prize fire those doing the parties. Being present means post in. pvt both before and after the turn, or within some time frame after? (a nit, but matters if it is a rule)
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