we're not touching the marking system retroactively,,we would just pretend that "--" doesn't exist. I was told that "
" as a mark would be used going forward in place of "++", so included it in my post.Pre-vet workshop thread
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we're not touching the marking system retroactively,,we would just pretend that "--" doesn't exist. I was told that "
" as a mark would be used going forward in place of "++", so included it in my post.
oops, Nat has not voted yet either ...
we need Starry, JJ, Nat, Mark (and Allazar if he comes back)
nat is on the way ....
The devil's in the details.
Yes it does--I say 30 minutes on both sides of the turning.
I don't feel very strongly about the 30 minutes--just a ballpark. But if they are to see the turning, they have to be there right before and after the event...
we're not touching the marking system retroactively,,we would just pretend that "--" doesn't exist. I was told that "
egad! all the ++s are eligible for the bonus drawing, right?
The devil's in the details.
Yes it does--I say 30 minutes on both sides of the turning.
I don't feel very strongly about the 30 minutes--just a ballpark. But if they are to see the turning, they have to be there right before and after the event...
i don't care - as long as they are there when the title appears is fine with me ......
thank you!
In practice the person is there for the duration of the fireworks, but at minimum the honoree makes a post at ~ 24 or ~25 past the hour so that we can see the new title appear. he/she can split right after, but usually hangs out to say thanks and then go to find the welcome thread.
How do you feel about the amnesty? that is, that every PVT contest entry since Jan 1 is also eligible for the GP?
Particular number doesn't matter to me either, but likely 15 or 30 are rational, so that if others choose to be present they won't bee stuck hanging there.
time to take care of my girls - a good night once more
and start thinking about the list
and start thinking about the list
Well, it has to verifiable! Especially when we're not there! They need to post prior and post the turning--otherwise anybody can say they were there...
Yes...exactly
(we can stay with the ++ marking, its much less confusing for teh person actually doing the random drawing for the bonus to have to look for a single type of mark)
JJ has been adding the marks to the thread title, so it should show when they post a link to their welcome thread as their entry in the contest thread (the link to the welcome thread as the contest entry has been set since day 1, and as far as i know seems to be working pretty well)
BTW, you should come play with us in the PVT thread- it's fun
BTW, you should come play with us in the PVT thread- it's fun
we will be there - if we end up with an odd time we will pm the prevet that we would really like to be present at the turning and could we postpone a little?
now let me go!
I'm gone for awhile too. will prolly check back for Starry, JJ and Nat's responses.
OK, so.....
this is the basics of what we have unless there are strenuous objections from those who haven't had a chance to chime in yet.
what we want
1. welcome thread - entitles the prevet an entry in the monthly contests and the year end grand prize drawing. Eligible threads will started in the new vets forum prior to turning. The welcome thread request comes through PVT, in the form of 1 post minimum in PVT. Threads must be started prior to turning and cannot be self-started
2. Avatar parties: the welcome threads of those who schedule avatar parties in advance and attend them are eligible for entry into a bonus drawing at the end of the year. The party can be rescheduled from the forum default time without penalty. However, the new vet MUST be present at the time of their turning to be eligible for the bonus drawing.
(in practice this means that threads marked -- are eligible for the GP drawing, only ++ (or
(if joker can't add a bonus drawing, then a bonus entry into the GP drawing would be the second choice option).
Vote count:
Yes:
CES, Katya, Whiskey, TomCatt, Tibs, Atty (though he prefers the second choice option) (Tibs is voting Frans proxy so thats a Yes vote for Fran)
No: none so far
and now I'm really off to do the work that i actually get paid for
Hi ((ALL))
I was told to come to my official polling place and vote.
I've read, and read, and read... whew.
I'm assuming the above is what I'm voting on... if so I vote, YES!
I still can't say I fully understand the contest, but Majority Rules and Katya has my proxy on all future matters!
Thank you again CES for the great summary
,Back to work,
's to all.I still can't say I fully understand the contest, but Majority Rules and Katya has my proxy on all future matters!
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Does that include the upcoming presidential election?
Thanks, Nat!
Thank you tibby for all the hard work. I'm sure your typing finger got real sore today!
OK gang. I'm summarizing what I understand so far:
So. jj2, j0ker (everyone): this is what I'm hearing.
When it comes to the pre-vet thread, it's for people that have not turned but will turn soon. Hence "PRE-vet". It was that way before there was a contest. It's still that way. We do often post congrats messages if someone pops in after turning (like a polite "congrats to you!") but we don't schedule any parties or, as far as I know, open any PVT welcome threads for them.
That's why we're writing this up this way.... it's from a pre-vet perspective.
If you want to "open the contest to anyone that turns in that month" go ahead. We cannot comment on what you do with the contest. We can comment on what we do with pre-vets and how it may relate to the contest... giving our opinions.
So, you could decide to open up the contest by using something other than a pre-vet welcome-thread. However, our pre-vet welcome threads are used for our purposes within the thread.
There are others that open their own welcome threads. Still others have threads opened by other vets. (I think). OK. jj2 accepts those (with conditions, IDK). I'm not sure we need to comment on it much. We have, as points of discussion, considered how we could make welcome threads after the fact and/or hold an avatar party after the fact. Out of fairness to those we have already turned down in the last 5/6 months....we'd like to keep PRE-vet thread creation (by us, by request of the pre-vet) as "prior to turning" for what we do.
However that doesn't limit the contest... unless you tie it to our process exclusively. So if you want to open it up ...fine by us.
Things that created the most problems for us:
Grand Prize entry requiring pre-vet presence at a particular turning time (I think it's defined as earliest-possible-turning-time = 365 days after their join date/time at the next 25 minutes after the hour)...and it could not be rescheduled.
We've suggested that Grand Prize not be tied to avatar parties. An end-of-year bonus drawing is an additional "perk" for those that attend an avatar party in the PVT. It's a small incentive to encourage participation and get people to check out the PVT. Still clarifying that one. The scheduling is more open. Our understanding is that the forum won't "turn" them if they don't log in. So we use that to re-schedule the turnings with the pre-vet's help (by their not logging in until a mutually agreed upon prearranged time).
I assume there is some form of grievance process for those that feel slighted after all these revisions, and any additional contest revisions, are made.
CES is currently tracking the text to our "what we would like to see" post.
I'd like to know what the complaints are now, if any, so we can make sure we attempt to address them if they pertain to us.
Wow everyone, you guys posted a bunch while I was trying to type this. Did I get anywhere close?
OK gang. I'm summarizing what I understand so far:
So. jj2, j0ker (everyone): this is what I'm hearing.
When it comes to the pre-vet thread, it's for people that have not turned but will turn soon. Hence "PRE-vet". It was that way before there was a contest. It's still that way. We do often post congrats messages if someone pops in after turning (like a polite "congrats to you!") but we don't schedule any parties or, as far as I know, open any PVT welcome threads for them.
That's why we're writing this up this way.... it's from a pre-vet perspective.
If you want to "open the contest to anyone that turns in that month" go ahead. We cannot comment on what you do with the contest. We can comment on what we do with pre-vets and how it may relate to the contest... giving our opinions.
So, you could decide to open up the contest by using something other than a pre-vet welcome-thread. However, our pre-vet welcome threads are used for our purposes within the thread.
There are others that open their own welcome threads. Still others have threads opened by other vets. (I think). OK. jj2 accepts those (with conditions, IDK). I'm not sure we need to comment on it much. We have, as points of discussion, considered how we could make welcome threads after the fact and/or hold an avatar party after the fact. Out of fairness to those we have already turned down in the last 5/6 months....we'd like to keep PRE-vet thread creation (by us, by request of the pre-vet) as "prior to turning" for what we do.
However that doesn't limit the contest... unless you tie it to our process exclusively. So if you want to open it up ...fine by us.
Things that created the most problems for us:
Grand Prize entry requiring pre-vet presence at a particular turning time (I think it's defined as earliest-possible-turning-time = 365 days after their join date/time at the next 25 minutes after the hour)...and it could not be rescheduled.
We've suggested that Grand Prize not be tied to avatar parties. An end-of-year bonus drawing is an additional "perk" for those that attend an avatar party in the PVT. It's a small incentive to encourage participation and get people to check out the PVT. Still clarifying that one. The scheduling is more open. Our understanding is that the forum won't "turn" them if they don't log in. So we use that to re-schedule the turnings with the pre-vet's help (by their not logging in until a mutually agreed upon prearranged time).
I assume there is some form of grievance process for those that feel slighted after all these revisions, and any additional contest revisions, are made.
CES is currently tracking the text to our "what we would like to see" post.
I'd like to know what the complaints are now, if any, so we can make sure we attempt to address them if they pertain to us.
Wow everyone, you guys posted a bunch while I was trying to type this. Did I get anywhere close?
we will be there - if we end up with an odd time we will pm the prevet that we would really like to be present at the turning and could we postpone a little?
now let me go!
But if he/she says no, whatcha gonna do, darling?
They will have to have posted before and after. Really. Even when we are present. Some people use the invisible mode to surf the web. I agree with mark--we need a rule about posting pre- and post the turning to avoid unnecessary litigation.
Covering our collective you know what. Speaking of which, has Geoff been fed yet?
no complaints, atty - and my girls are back from their last evening run - shutting down - see y'all tomorrow
lol - geoff's been fed!
yup, to post prior and after turnings! that's what i advised prevets when your presence was a little iffy but you always pulled it off!
i see only one bone of contention - our request to have a vet or prevet post at least once with us if we are not opening the welcome thread.
lol - geoff's been fed!
yup, to post prior and after turnings! that's what i advised prevets when your presence was a little iffy but you always pulled it off!
i see only one bone of contention - our request to have a vet or prevet post at least once with us if we are not opening the welcome thread.
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