Pre-vet workshop thread
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PMs notifying PreVets that they are approaching veteran status will not be sent out. Members must make it to the PreVet thread on their own, or with the help of a friend.
Please read the First Post in the PreVet thread for additional information.
Welcome to the ECF Pre-Vet thread!
And, as an added bonus, celebrating your special day with us entitles you to an entry in the Veteran 2012 Contest!
You can find further information here:http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/contests/256629-veteran-2012-contest.html
Times for our turnings are all Eastern and looked up by an ECF Moderator.
Dates are checked by at least two people but, when dealing with different time zones and the forum software not recognizing leap year, mistakes can happen.
If you don't see yourself listed, or don't see a theme listed for your day and you want one, let us know.
Your presence on the PreVet thread is required if you requested an Avatar Party. Please, join us in advance of your turning time and enjoy the celebration
June
June 25 - VapingTurtle - (12:23 = 12:25 PM) Avatar Party: Turtles and Cowgirls {tib}
June 30 - rel322 - (23:38 = 12:25 AM)Avatar Party: Wolves {Fran}
Attn West Coast Crew - this turning will happen 9:25 pm your time on the 29th
July
July 08 - carpedebass - (19:08 = 7:25 PM) *Avatar Party: Fishing and Pretty Women {Catt}
July 09 - rkayw - (23:28 = 12 25 AM ) Avatar Party: Blue Butterflies (Thyroid Awareness) {starry}
Attn West Coast Crew - this turning will happen 9:25 pm your time on the 8th
July 09 - LauraBolyard - (18:05 = 6:25 PM) Avatar Party: Her PhotoBucket pictures here in conjunction with baby polar animals{Whiskey}
July 11 - Jefferson62 - (14:04 = 2:25 PM) Avatar Party: Chihuahuas, Exotic Cars & Women {Whiskey}
July 13 - Shannon65 - (4:51 = 5:25 AM) Avatar Party : Chris Rene & his music {Starry}
July 15 - bully mom - (20:31 = 9:25 PM) Avatar Party: Anything Bulldog {CES}
July 15 - milo hobo - (9:20 = 9:25 AM) Avatar Party: Meditation gardens/groves {Fran}
July 17 - JustaGuy - (21:30 = 10:25 PM) Avatar Party: Star-crossed lovers {JJ}
July 20 - Allazar - (6:22 = 6:25 AM) Avatar Party: Alphonse Mucha {Katya}
July 20 - Airborn3 - (18:57 = 7:25 PM) Avatar Party: Muscle cars {CES}
July 24 - Woody55 - (10:01 = 10:25 AM) Avatar Party: Sheriff Woody or ''anything Texan" {tib}
July 28 - Sundrinkr - (16:39 = 5:25 PM) Avatar Party: Funny,Jokes, and Quotes {JAG}
July 29 - krazynavybiker - (12:48 = 1:25 PM) Avatar Party: Girls on bikes {Meggers}
August
August 17 - AutumnWolf - Avatar Party: Spirit Wolves {Fran?} >>>>> time needed
August 21 - paislia -Avatar Party: >>>>>>> time needed
August 28 - DoubleHelix - Avatar Party: Your childhood cartoon characters >>>>> time needed
Please, note: Anniversaries & Birthdays are now kept separate from Pre-vet list
Please read the First Post in the PreVet thread for additional information.
Welcome to the ECF Pre-Vet thread!
And, as an added bonus, celebrating your special day with us entitles you to an entry in the Veteran 2012 Contest!
You can find further information here:http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/contests/256629-veteran-2012-contest.html
Times for our turnings are all Eastern and looked up by an ECF Moderator.
Dates are checked by at least two people but, when dealing with different time zones and the forum software not recognizing leap year, mistakes can happen.
If you don't see yourself listed, or don't see a theme listed for your day and you want one, let us know.
Your presence on the PreVet thread is required if you requested an Avatar Party. Please, join us in advance of your turning time and enjoy the celebration
June
June 25 - VapingTurtle - (12:23 = 12:25 PM) Avatar Party: Turtles and Cowgirls {tib}
June 30 - rel322 - (23:38 = 12:25 AM)Avatar Party: Wolves {Fran}
Attn West Coast Crew - this turning will happen 9:25 pm your time on the 29th
July
July 08 - carpedebass - (19:08 = 7:25 PM) *Avatar Party: Fishing and Pretty Women {Catt}
July 09 - rkayw - (23:28 = 12 25 AM ) Avatar Party: Blue Butterflies (Thyroid Awareness) {starry}
Attn West Coast Crew - this turning will happen 9:25 pm your time on the 8th
July 09 - LauraBolyard - (18:05 = 6:25 PM) Avatar Party: Her PhotoBucket pictures here in conjunction with baby polar animals{Whiskey}
July 11 - Jefferson62 - (14:04 = 2:25 PM) Avatar Party: Chihuahuas, Exotic Cars & Women {Whiskey}
July 13 - Shannon65 - (4:51 = 5:25 AM) Avatar Party : Chris Rene & his music {Starry}
July 15 - bully mom - (20:31 = 9:25 PM) Avatar Party: Anything Bulldog {CES}
July 15 - milo hobo - (9:20 = 9:25 AM) Avatar Party: Meditation gardens/groves {Fran}
July 17 - JustaGuy - (21:30 = 10:25 PM) Avatar Party: Star-crossed lovers {JJ}
July 20 - Allazar - (6:22 = 6:25 AM) Avatar Party: Alphonse Mucha {Katya}
July 20 - Airborn3 - (18:57 = 7:25 PM) Avatar Party: Muscle cars {CES}
July 24 - Woody55 - (10:01 = 10:25 AM) Avatar Party: Sheriff Woody or ''anything Texan" {tib}
July 28 - Sundrinkr - (16:39 = 5:25 PM) Avatar Party: Funny,Jokes, and Quotes {JAG}
July 29 - krazynavybiker - (12:48 = 1:25 PM) Avatar Party: Girls on bikes {Meggers}
August
August 17 - AutumnWolf - Avatar Party: Spirit Wolves {Fran?} >>>>> time needed
August 21 - paislia -Avatar Party: >>>>>>> time needed
August 28 - DoubleHelix - Avatar Party: Your childhood cartoon characters >>>>> time needed
Please, note: Anniversaries & Birthdays are now kept separate from Pre-vet list
Summary so far
The pre-vet thread (PVT) is for people that have not turned ECF veteran and will turn soon. Hence "PRE-vet". It was that way before there was a contest. It's still that way. We do often post congrats messages if someone pops in after turning (like a polite "congrats to you!") but we don't schedule any parties or, as far as we know, open any PVT welcome threads for them.
That's why we're writing this up this way.... it's from a pre-vet perspective.
If you want to "open the contest to anyone turning in the current month, or whatever you define" go ahead. We cannot comment on what you do with the contest. We can comment on what we do with pre-vets and how it may relate to the contest... giving our opinions.
So, you could decide to open up the contest by using something other than a pre-vet welcome-thread. However, our pre-vet welcome threads are used for our purposes within the thread.
There are others who open their own welcome threads. Still others have threads opened by other vets. (We think.) OK. jj2 may accept those (with whatever conditions if any). We're not sure we need to comment on it much. We have, as points of discussion, considered how we could make welcome threads after the fact and/or hold an avatar party after the fact. Out of fairness to those we have already turned down in the last 5/6 months....we'd like to keep PRE-vet thread creation (by us, by request of the pre-vet) as "prior to turning" for what we do.
However that doesn't limit the contest... unless you tie it to our process exclusively. So if you want to open it up ...fine by us.
Things that created the most problems for us:
Grand Prize entry requiring pre-vet presence at a particular turning time (we think it's defined as earliest-possible-turning-time = 365 days after their join date/time at the next 25 minutes after the hour)...and it could not be rescheduled without penalty.
We've suggested that Grand Prize not be tied to avatar parties. A new end-of-year bonus drawing is added as an additional "perk" for those that attend an avatar party in the PVT. It's a small incentive to encourage participation and get people to check out the PVT. The Avatar Party scheduling is more open. Our understanding is that the forum won't "turn" them if they don't log in. So we use that to re-schedule the turnings with the pre-vet's help (by their not logging in until a mutually agreed upon prearranged time).
We'd like to know what the complaints are now, if any, so we can make sure we attempt to address them if they pertain to us.
how we think it works now....
1. welcome thread - (entitles the prevet to an entry in the monthly contests.) All that is needed to get a welcome thread is to ask for one or have an ecf vet start it in the new vets forum prior to turning. (In practice it has always come through PVT. )
2. avatar party- must request and be present on the PVT thread at the exact time they will turn into ecf vets (365 days after their join date/time to the minute, at the next 25 minutes past the hour...since that's when the checking process runs), times for our published list are provided by a moderator due to the pre-vet's request for participation, any deviations from the original timing or absence during the turning results in disqualification from the entry for the grand prize.
what we want
1. welcome thread - entitles the prevet to an entry in the monthly contests and the year–end grand prize drawing.This is not the only way they could enter, depending on what the contest people decide to do (out of our scope). Eligible threads are started in the new vets welcome forum prior to turning, either by us or a sponsoring vet. The welcome thread request should come through the PVT, in the form of 1 post minimum in the PVT either by the sponsoring vet or the prevet . Threads must be started prior to turning in the new vets' welcome forum and thus cannot be self-started since they don't have access to that sub-forum until they become an ECF veteran.
2. Avatar parties: the welcome threads of those who schedule avatar parties in advance in the PVT thread and attend them are eligible for entry into a bonus drawing at the end of the year. The party can be rescheduled with the PVT crew from the forum default time without penalty. However, the new vet MUST be present at the time of their turning to be eligible for the bonus drawing.
Attendance at the avatar party is defined as: present at the moment of their turning at the mutually agreed upon prescheduled time. If no committee members are available at the scheduled time, then the celebrant should make two posts, one right before, and one right after the scheduled time.
This is the mutually agreed upon time between the pre-vet and the PTV crew and assumes that the pre-vet's status has not changed to ECF Veteran earlier. Errors in determining this timing (by admins, moderators or the PVT crew) can happen and will be handled on a case by case basis.
The pre-vet can reschedule the turning to a later date/time than the earliest possible time per the forum's algorithm. However, this requires cooperation of the pre-veteran and he/she is now now informed that logging in at the wrong time could turn them to ECF Veteran status earlier than the re-scheduled time and may disqualify them from the bonus drawing.
Also note that the welcome thread is marked ++ if they attended the avatar party. However, disqualification from the monthly drawings disqualifies pre-vets for the Bonus Drawing also.
(in practice this means that threads marked -- are now eligible for the GP drawing, however only those marked ++ are eligible for the bonus drawing. We'd like to have an amnesty, meaning that all that welcome threads started from from Jan1, 2012 posted in the contest entry thread, but marked with -- are eligible for the grand prize drawing, and all welcome threads, from Jan1, 2012 posted in the contest entry thread, marked with ++ are eligible for the bonus drawing.
(NOTE: if adding a bonus drawing is not an option, then a bonus entry into the GP drawing would be the second choice).
(NOTE: changes in how the forum software performs the "turning" may require changes to this)
Everyone: Please review in entirety. Comment period open until 8:00 p.m. Eastern Standard Time tomorrow, since we have not heard from several people recently.
The pre-vet thread (PVT) is for people that have not turned ECF veteran and will turn soon. Hence "PRE-vet". It was that way before there was a contest. It's still that way. We do often post congrats messages if someone pops in after turning (like a polite "congrats to you!") but we don't schedule any parties or, as far as we know, open any PVT welcome threads for them.
That's why we're writing this up this way.... it's from a pre-vet perspective.
If you want to "open the contest to anyone turning in the current month, or whatever you define" go ahead. We cannot comment on what you do with the contest. We can comment on what we do with pre-vets and how it may relate to the contest... giving our opinions.
So, you could decide to open up the contest by using something other than a pre-vet welcome-thread. However, our pre-vet welcome threads are used for our purposes within the thread.
There are others who open their own welcome threads. Still others have threads opened by other vets. (We think.) OK. jj2 may accept those (with whatever conditions if any). We're not sure we need to comment on it much. We have, as points of discussion, considered how we could make welcome threads after the fact and/or hold an avatar party after the fact. Out of fairness to those we have already turned down in the last 5/6 months....we'd like to keep PRE-vet thread creation (by us, by request of the pre-vet) as "prior to turning" for what we do.
However that doesn't limit the contest... unless you tie it to our process exclusively. So if you want to open it up ...fine by us.
Things that created the most problems for us:
Grand Prize entry requiring pre-vet presence at a particular turning time (we think it's defined as earliest-possible-turning-time = 365 days after their join date/time at the next 25 minutes after the hour)...and it could not be rescheduled without penalty.
We've suggested that Grand Prize not be tied to avatar parties. A new end-of-year bonus drawing is added as an additional "perk" for those that attend an avatar party in the PVT. It's a small incentive to encourage participation and get people to check out the PVT. The Avatar Party scheduling is more open. Our understanding is that the forum won't "turn" them if they don't log in. So we use that to re-schedule the turnings with the pre-vet's help (by their not logging in until a mutually agreed upon prearranged time).
We'd like to know what the complaints are now, if any, so we can make sure we attempt to address them if they pertain to us.
how we think it works now....
1. welcome thread - (entitles the prevet to an entry in the monthly contests.) All that is needed to get a welcome thread is to ask for one or have an ecf vet start it in the new vets forum prior to turning. (In practice it has always come through PVT. )
2. avatar party- must request and be present on the PVT thread at the exact time they will turn into ecf vets (365 days after their join date/time to the minute, at the next 25 minutes past the hour...since that's when the checking process runs), times for our published list are provided by a moderator due to the pre-vet's request for participation, any deviations from the original timing or absence during the turning results in disqualification from the entry for the grand prize.
what we want
1. welcome thread - entitles the prevet to an entry in the monthly contests and the year–end grand prize drawing.This is not the only way they could enter, depending on what the contest people decide to do (out of our scope). Eligible threads are started in the new vets welcome forum prior to turning, either by us or a sponsoring vet. The welcome thread request should come through the PVT, in the form of 1 post minimum in the PVT either by the sponsoring vet or the prevet . Threads must be started prior to turning in the new vets' welcome forum and thus cannot be self-started since they don't have access to that sub-forum until they become an ECF veteran.
2. Avatar parties: the welcome threads of those who schedule avatar parties in advance in the PVT thread and attend them are eligible for entry into a bonus drawing at the end of the year. The party can be rescheduled with the PVT crew from the forum default time without penalty. However, the new vet MUST be present at the time of their turning to be eligible for the bonus drawing.
Attendance at the avatar party is defined as: present at the moment of their turning at the mutually agreed upon prescheduled time. If no committee members are available at the scheduled time, then the celebrant should make two posts, one right before, and one right after the scheduled time.
This is the mutually agreed upon time between the pre-vet and the PTV crew and assumes that the pre-vet's status has not changed to ECF Veteran earlier. Errors in determining this timing (by admins, moderators or the PVT crew) can happen and will be handled on a case by case basis.
The pre-vet can reschedule the turning to a later date/time than the earliest possible time per the forum's algorithm. However, this requires cooperation of the pre-veteran and he/she is now now informed that logging in at the wrong time could turn them to ECF Veteran status earlier than the re-scheduled time and may disqualify them from the bonus drawing.
Also note that the welcome thread is marked ++ if they attended the avatar party. However, disqualification from the monthly drawings disqualifies pre-vets for the Bonus Drawing also.
(in practice this means that threads marked -- are now eligible for the GP drawing, however only those marked ++ are eligible for the bonus drawing. We'd like to have an amnesty, meaning that all that welcome threads started from from Jan1, 2012 posted in the contest entry thread, but marked with -- are eligible for the grand prize drawing, and all welcome threads, from Jan1, 2012 posted in the contest entry thread, marked with ++ are eligible for the bonus drawing.
(NOTE: if adding a bonus drawing is not an option, then a bonus entry into the GP drawing would be the second choice).
(NOTE: changes in how the forum software performs the "turning" may require changes to this)
Everyone: Please review in entirety. Comment period open until 8:00 p.m. Eastern Standard Time tomorrow, since we have not heard from several people recently.
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We can work on the "list storage/access issue in parallel"... in other words... "ready when you are".
thank you! because lately i've been hiding in the sandbox, lol!
night, y'all!
night, y'all!
Great gang... but
What needs to change or where are the "got'cha"s? Anything?
My observations:
G.P. eligibility same as monthly.... monthly defined by jj and j0ker or whomever (not us).
Our welcome threads are for our use, but the contest could do additional stuff for qualifying entries outside of (in addition to) us so meh.
Our welcome threads are created by us or a sponsoring vet BEFORE they turn... (this will probably generate complaints, but it's how PRE-vet works. Also, hard to verify in some instances after the fact.)
We have relaxed A.P. timing constraints from what happens now in that they can reschedule (and cooperate and not log in until the proper time).
Bonus Drawing is Tied to A.P. attendance.
I think that the A.P. rescheduling thing and the A.P. attendance thing is going to be too cumbersome, or too hard to explain, or if they do understand it, there will be people who miss out and later act deliberately obtuse. They may possibly become annoying to try and derail/distract/play sour grapes. No matter what we do, someone will be too late and miss out. How maturely they handle that is ... up to them.
I think I'd rather trust people's good nature and invite them to the avatar parties on their own merits. No need for a bonus drawing IMO. I moves 1/2 the problems (because we allow rescheduling, so only 1/2) from what we have now to the Bonus Drawing instead. I'd rather avoid the problems entirely, by not creating them in the 1st place. People schedules are so varied.
We don't have to become a "Welcome thread creation factory" if the contest is not exclusively tied to our welcome threads. They can have someone else create a welcome thread outside of PVT. If they want to party with us... they post with us and we help them through it all.
What needs to change or where are the "got'cha"s? Anything?
My observations:
G.P. eligibility same as monthly.... monthly defined by jj and j0ker or whomever (not us).
Our welcome threads are for our use, but the contest could do additional stuff for qualifying entries outside of (in addition to) us so meh.
Our welcome threads are created by us or a sponsoring vet BEFORE they turn... (this will probably generate complaints, but it's how PRE-vet works. Also, hard to verify in some instances after the fact.)
We have relaxed A.P. timing constraints from what happens now in that they can reschedule (and cooperate and not log in until the proper time).
Bonus Drawing is Tied to A.P. attendance.
I think that the A.P. rescheduling thing and the A.P. attendance thing is going to be too cumbersome, or too hard to explain, or if they do understand it, there will be people who miss out and later act deliberately obtuse. They may possibly become annoying to try and derail/distract/play sour grapes. No matter what we do, someone will be too late and miss out. How maturely they handle that is ... up to them.
I think I'd rather trust people's good nature and invite them to the avatar parties on their own merits. No need for a bonus drawing IMO. I moves 1/2 the problems (because we allow rescheduling, so only 1/2) from what we have now to the Bonus Drawing instead. I'd rather avoid the problems entirely, by not creating them in the 1st place. People schedules are so varied.
We don't have to become a "Welcome thread creation factory" if the contest is not exclusively tied to our welcome threads. They can have someone else create a welcome thread outside of PVT. If they want to party with us... they post with us and we help them through it all.
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