Pre-vet workshop thread

[tiburonfirst]

Ok...shred away....


how it works now....

1. welcome thread - entitles the prevet to an entry in the monthly contests. to get a thread, all that is needed is to ask for one or have an ecf vet start it in the new vets forum prior to turning. (In practice it has always come through PVT. )

2. avatar party- must request and be present on the PVT thread at the exact time that they joined, any deviations from the original timing results in disqualification from the entry for the grand prize.

Options for what we want

1. welcome thread - entitles the prevet to an entry in the monthly contests. Eligible threads will be in the new vets forum prior to turning. The welcome thread request comes through PVT, in the form of 1 post minimum in PVT
a. choose between 'prior to' turning or 'within 24 hours of' turning
b. choose can or cannot be self-started

2. Options for Avatar parties:

A. Not required for entry into prize drawing

B. Required for entry into prize drawing, time can be scheduled without penalty
a. choose between must be present on the PVT thread at the time of turning, or must be present within 15 minutes of time of turning
b. choose between exceptions can be made and exceptions cannot be made if circumstances warrant I.e. military service, illness, emergency, internet problems

C. Anybody with either a welcome thread or avi party who is present at the fireworks is eligible for the grand prize drawing
a. choose between must be present on the PVT thread at the time of turning, or must be present within 15 minutes of time of turning
b. choose between exceptions can be made and exceptions cannot be made if circumstances warrant I.e. military service, illness, emergency, internet problems


Please make changes in and re-post the whole thing as you make edits.....



I've saved this wording, but please mark the location of this post....I've also read back through what got posted as i typed this up...agreed, no formal "poll". I still like the least restrictive option- because I'm lazy, though Tibs could well be right. Good points Catt. Atty I you too)

If we go with the above, what are the consequences, if any?

(Sorry so late, working... have been reading as time allows.)

@CES beautiful job on summary. I'm still absorbing.
@Tom Love the dog!
@Whis, Tibs, Atty, Morri ::waving::

if we go that way we might not see them in pvt at all, except for maybe one required post requesting a welcome thread and that's up in the air

 

[tiburonfirst]

ooops! hiya, nat!

 

[tiburonfirst]

i know i sound like a broken record but if all who are eligible in every other way for the 2012 vet contest will be entered in both monthly and year-end drawing automatically then prepare yourself for maybe a few turnings a month. that is fine with me but there are others who get so antsy having no immediate turning at hand pics are being posted 2 and 3 days ahead.

i will now refrain from any further reminders. i have said it often enough and i might be wrong .....

 

[whiskey]

i know i sound like a broken record but if all who are eligible in every other way for the 2012 vet contest will be entered in both monthly and year-end drawing automatically then prepare yourself for maybe a few turnings a month. that is fine with me but there are others who get so antsy having no immediate turning at hand pics are being posted 2 and 3 days ahead.

i will now refrain from any further reminders. i have said it often enough and i might be wrong .....

I for one don't want that happening, lord knows I am busy alot, but I would go crazy if we only celebrated a couple a month..

 

[jj2]

Just for the record, morri. We have all been saying K.I.S.S. for a while now, one way or another, since the current situation is rough. lol. The challenge, of course, is in defining what that means....

One of those "Easy to say, challenge to define" things.

jj2: Question: Is the current monthly contest open to all who turn in 2012? Or what? Or is that the mini-contests?

(Goes searching for Tom's dog pic)

EDIT:
Mini contests open to everyone (but see rules, this is a summary).
Monthly contest through PVT or someone can open a welcome thread for them before they turn. Don't know how you veryify that one jj. But I don't have to.

So it sounds like those that open a welcome thread for themselves and/or someone opens it for them AFTER they turn, are not in the monthly. True? This goes to Tibby's point of "who we turned down already." We don't have to "back track" if it stays as a "prior to turning" requirement... and it helps eliminate potential abuse of the process by claiming they "just turned" even tho they didn't (not a common occurrence, I admit).

Once mini enter is in it's for everything but the 1 grand prize.

The threads opened by the themselves are not eligible.

All the threads open by other Vets out of PreVet have been opened in time for me to check. I also PMed the opener to let me know way ahead of time if they do it again.

 

[AttyPops]

Hey. I don't want to hear it. I know you guys like to read. Tut! Tut! Tut!

Well, you already have my vote. They are eligible for the GP if they are eligible for the monthly.

If we go with the above, what are the consequences, if any?

(Sorry so late, working... have been reading as time allows.)

@CES beautiful job on summary. I'm still absorbing.
@Tom Love the dog!
@Whis, Tibs, Atty, Morri ::waving::

IDK that answer. I just voted monthly = G.P. so as to not impact past stuff, like Tibby said.

(This is a bit out of logical order due to my reading back).
JJ has an interesting point about making it open to all 2012 turnees and participating in PVT gets an ADDITIONAL bonus entry. See post #1755. I still don't know how you verify turning in 2012 though JJ (see more below).

I actually don't care much. I just have no way of determining if someone turns in 2012 or not due to the "being logged out issue" or the "# posts issue". So tying it to the welcome thread verification process (in my mind, at this go-around of discussions) keeps it consistent with what has been done so far (I think). Wow. Lots of disclaimers since I'm not really "into" the contest stuff. I bowed out and started to ignore it.

However, if we get rid of the PVT tie in, it doesn't matter to us. In fact, it may not matter anyway. Just because the PVT has requirements for a welcome thread party participation, doesn't mean that the contest has to. They could use some other mechanic for entry, or just accept different "types" of welcome threads than we do.

The consensus seems to be to get them to show up in PVT before they turn, and use the contest as a carrot-on-a-stick to get them there so they can find out about it. Tibby and whis, at minimum, seem to be worried that if we don't have another carrot via the G.P. entry, we'll get few avatar parties.

Also, we did tell some people "Sorry, but you're already a vet (we don't throw a PVT party). Congrats anyway." We do post in people's "Hey I'm a vet, Cool!" threads out of polite conversation and in the spirit of supporting accomplishments just like some of us may post in "Hey I've been smoke free for a month" posts elsewhere. But none of those things are PRE-vet Thread things IMO.

Pre-Vet means PRE-Vet to me.

I'm guessing there's less impact to what we have done already, but just as many sour-grapes.

Let's try for a "sour-grapes list" for fun:
A) I was a veteran before 2012 and we never had a contest. Boo-hoo.
B) I was a veteran this year but ignored the whole contest thing and the pre-vet thread. Even though it was posted in the contest area and was a sticky and is now floating at the top of General all the time. Now I'm too late. Boo-hoo.
C) I haven't been on ECF forever and I just logged in at 24 past the hour. I turned vet 60 seconds ago, even though I joined 2 years ago. Really. Sure I did. Reeeallllly. I'm posting my entry, even tho I snoozed. Boo-hoo.
D) Wow. Look at that. I've been on ECF for 3 years and know how the forum works. I don't post much, but I can read. Now I have 80 posts and it says I'm a vet. I know I've been on here for 3 years, and didn't use any of my posts this year to ask to be in the contest BEFORE I turned, so I'm asking now. Please? See...I said "Please" so that makes it OK, right? Boo-hoo.
E) I didn't get a personal engraved invitation to a publicly posted thing. So I want in now. Boo-hoo.

I seem to remember that the 1st month of the contest was very open due to the timing. Those that predated the contest (Jan 1 -> Jan start-of-contest-ish time) got a break. I suppose another consideration is:
F) I turned vet in early Jan, but didn't participate in PVT. I would have if I had know there was going to be a contest, but it wasn't announced yet. Is it too late?

I don't remember exactly how that worked, but that type of grievance could be handled on a case by case basis if applicable. Did I miss any?

I know that the above sour-grapes list comes off badly. I truly feel sorry if someone missed out. But...whatayagonnado? One other option is to leave it open to all people that turn in 2012. Or you could even leave it open to all veterans no matter how "old". However, that's more of a contest purpose/creation issue. And not my issue. Verification is not my problem, but I think that having the vet show up before they turn prevents some possible fraud (not that any ECF'ers would actually do that or anything )

I don't want PVT to go "hasta la bye-bye" due to lack of participation. Neither do I want a nightmare for others to have to administer, nor "bad blood" about turning times. And the whole "being there" thing cause problems, rescheduled or not. So it will have to survive on it's own merits. We can dangle a carrot to get them there, but we need to sell it after that. So I'd keep the G.P. requirements the same as monthly...even if participation declines. I'm open to the "All 2012 vets & PVT participation = bonus entry" thing too. Carrot = carrot.

2 cents.

(clicks save...BAM! Read to your heart's content... or not).

 

[AttyPops]

Hi Nat!

(shortest post of the day)

 

[Natalia]

Ok...shred away....


how it works now....

1. welcome thread - entitles the prevet to an entry in the monthly contests. to get a thread, all that is needed is to ask for one or have an ecf vet start it in the new vets forum prior to turning. (In practice it has always come through PVT. )

2. avatar party- must request and be present on the PVT thread at the exact time that they joined, any deviations from the original timing results in disqualification from the entry for the grand prize.

Options for what we want

1. welcome thread - entitles the prevet to an entry in the monthly contests. Eligible threads will be in the new vets forum prior to turning. The welcome thread request comes through PVT, in the form of 1 post minimum in PVT
a. choose between 'prior to' turning or 'within 24 hours of' turning Prior
b. choose can or cannot be self-started CANNOT be self started

2. Options for Avatar parties:

A. Not required for entry into prize drawing

B. Required for entry into prize drawing, time can be scheduled without penalty
a. choose between must be present on the PVT thread at the time of turning, or must be present within 15 minutes of time of turning
b. choose between exceptions can be made and exceptions cannot be made if circumstances warrant I.e. military service, illness, emergency, internet problems

C. Anybody with either a welcome thread or avi party who is present at the fireworks is eligible for the grand prize drawing
a. choose between must be present on the PVT thread at the time of turning, or must be present within 15 minutes of time of turning Must be present, but time can be scheduled without penalty
b. choose between exceptions can be made and exceptions cannot be made if circumstances warrant I.e. military service, illness, emergency, internet problems Let me just say, I don't know how you'd verify these.


Please make changes in and re-post the whole thing as you make edits.....



I've saved this wording, but please mark the location of this post....I've also read back through what got posted as i typed this up...agreed, no formal "poll". I still like the least restrictive option- because I'm lazy, though Tibs could well be right. Good points Catt. Atty I you too)

I'm not sure I did this correctly.... so, please ask me anything I didn't make clear.

My thinking: If we started with the Grand Prize entries "have to attend Avatar Parties", we shouldn't change horses in mid- stream, but after this year my opinion is make everyone with either a Welcome Thread or Avatar Party eligible for GP.

I think rescheduled turnings have worked in the past, and will continue to work. I really don't know how you'd verify if someone had internet problems or just didn't want to leave their favorite TV show. (Yes, I've heard this and a few other rude ones at late night turnings after staying up waiting for no-shows). I know we all have. We do it for the ones who really appreciate it and I love those!

I hope next year it's one easy entry in the Welcome thread.

And lastly, please know this is just MHO, and of course I will agree with my more experienced committee members.
I have the utmost respect for you all!!

 

[tiburonfirst]

nat, sweetie you can't have it both ways. if the welcome thread has to be prior to turning as you marked then it cannot be self-started. prevets can't post in the vip subforum.



and you voted for timing flexibility which is great - that flexibility was under the kiss principle - prevet or team can choose a better time - nothing has to be verified


now on to supper - laterzzzz!

 

[Natalia]

nat, sweetie you can't have it both ways. if the welcome thread has to be prior to turning as you marked then it cannot be self-started. prevets can't post in the vip subforum.

Whatcha talkin 'bout Tibs?
DOH! I edited it just now, thanks.

 

[tiburonfirst]

luv ya!

 

[Katya]

Hi y'all!

Working here, but trying to catch up. Still reading today's entries. Before I vote, could I bring this to everyone's attention? I sort feel strongly about this--the spirit more than the letter...

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-pre-vet-workshop-thread-163.html#post6445289

K.I.S.S.

Anyway, you probably know where I stand. I understand Tibs' concerns, but I think we could modify the whole concept of avatar parties; they can be custom made for each vet. They can be as elaborate as they are now (avatars, themes, pictures) or as simple as a small gathering at the time of the turning (preset or chosen be the vet) to chat a bit, watch the actual turning, launch some fireworks. Honestly, it could be very nice. It used to be like that a long time ago. We could explain to the new people how much fun it is to watch that title appear--without hanging that porkchop around our collective necks, to borrow Natalia's apt analogy.... I would much rather have a conversation with the new person, no strings attached, than go through hundreds of pictures that, nice as they may be, become a little monotone, after a while.

BRB with my vote.

 

[tiburonfirst]

xaiver in pvt! go!

i got food on the table and can't

 

[jj2]

Atty what I suggested opens the gates to all who turn or have turned this year---the ones that got left out.
I almost suggested letting all vets in too under the same conditions, but thought maybe that would be better left for next year's discussion. If you all think differently that's fine.
Maybe their post would be something about themselves and a picture of something they love. This gives PreVet some info on the person if someone opens their welcome thread. Congrats too if Vets are allowed.

PreVet could use the thread to get prospect for the future. You guys could put some conditions on it, but I'd keep it simple and go with the Welcome Thread.

It's simple. No one is going to run because it's complicated.

Tweak the whole concept if you like but don't make it anymore complicated. For every step added the more people are going to say it's not worth the hassle.

That is if you don't hate the whole idea.

 

[whiskey]

I Have a bit of info I forgot to share this morning, given what I woke up to see posted...when we started this contest thing ,there was only one grand prize, one drawing...then the venders here started going nuts donating things...its seemed J0ker was overwelmed with donations and in came the mini contests drawings & once a month contests. at this point JJ got involved with contests with J0ker...for me thats where things went wrong(water under the bridge?) anyways...heres a thought....why not just have one contest one grand prize at the end of the year, what say you guys??

That leaves us just figuring out who qualifies (or Not) what they need to do so Etc......Simple get rid of the mini/monthly contests

 

[AttyPops]

I don't fully follow that jj. Could you say it again? I'm confused as to how many options and what thread is what in that post.

I'm having a bad day, I guess. I didn't "speak tibby" well today either.

 

[AttyPops]

My single vote whiskey... they were promised monthly contests. So montly contests. The mini's are unrelated to this discussion IMO (for purposes of your post).

 

[tiburonfirst]

lol - whis! j0ker posted not all that long ago the reason he decided to endorse the contest was he really liked what we were doing. i believe that joker thinks it's still completely tied to pvt and that's why he wants us to work it out.
no matter what happens next year, this year it's pvt. he might not even have seen that "prevets is having a contest" is no longer the headline.

@ tweety - could you PLEASE fill out the option page! we're looking for a consensus on the form ces wrote up!

 

[whiskey]

Push over Kat...I'll join you over there in the corner....LOL

 

[Katya]

My single vote whiskey... they were promised monthly contests. So montly contests. The mini's are unrelated to this discussion IMO (for purposes of your post).

I agree. Let's not change more than is absolutely necessary--for the remainder of the year. Next year, if there is a contest, we can start from scratch based on our experience this year.