Pre-vet workshop thread

[tiburonfirst]

Another problem I'd like to see a solution for once this is set.

Going in and marking those threads is irritating. For me for having to do and to others because they have to look at them.

I'm hoping with the final outcome of this that this can be eliminated. If there is more than one category entry wise could you come up with something the opener can put in the title. Something like smiley's.

If you make a mistake, then you have time (two days I think), to go back and change it. If it runs later then tell me what change is needed and I'll take care of it.

Thank you.

this was your idea to begin with and, imo, less stressful than having to make sure somebody from pvt was available at all hours of the day to attend a turning .....

 

[AttyPops]

I'm trying to come up with a list of options for a poll......I'll post them here, so that we can edit the wording to make them clear

(unless by the time i get back ...it's taking me a few minutes....y'all have said, no don't bother right now)

OK CES, but post it here as an A, B, C, text thing (see whiskey's comment).

I suppose we could do a public poll for "Do you know what pre-vet celebrations are?" or "How should the contest work?" but that's different than what you are saying CES.

 

[tiburonfirst]

We'll let's at least get some text nailed down then. Tibby, can you publish a "What we do now" "What we want to do" Cliff Note post? Kind of like you do for the list. The whole thing in one post. Then we'll beat it up.

This keeps things moving and has some text we can all read and agree on.

Polls are OK. I remind you that it may be visible to the entire ECF crew and it may get votes from people that aren't in this discussion. That could be good or bad depending on intent.

let's see what ces is working on ..... might solve our problems, she's a knack for summaries

 

[whiskey]

this was your idea to begin with and, imo, less stressful than having to make sure somebody from pvt was available at all hours of the day to attend a turning .....

She also had my help in there until mod abilities got stripped from me.

 

[tiburonfirst]

@ jj - we have only 15 minutes or so to edit the title ....

 

[AttyPops]

JJ I heard what you said there. Tibby, I don't understand your comment.

If you have ANY restriction on the Grand Prize that is different from the monthly prizes, we have to mark the threads somehow.... since some will comply and some won't. You need some way to keep track of it. Which gets back to the K.I.S.S. point.

 

[AttyPops]

let's see what ces is working on ..... might solve our problems, she's a knack for summaries

Procrastination is an art form Tibby. An art form.

 

[CES]

I just really want to come to an agreement.....and i keep getting lost in the discussion and minutia. Tibs isn't gonna budge on the attendance at the fireworks (are ya tibs ) i don't want to force attendance, but will live with it (my vote below notwithstanding), if everyone else feels as strongly about it.

We all want it to be simple and fun..and if we were sitting around a table together we could hash it out pretty easily, keep on track, and keep track of things. I've had my say 15 or 16 times now...and probably contradicted myself several times

Anyway here's my vote:

Welcome thread eligibility for monthly drawing: ask for one in PVT or have an ecf vet start it in the new vets forum, must posted be prior to or within 24 hours after turning. Request must come through PVT, in the form of 1 post minimum in PVT

Any welcome thread eligible for the monthly drawing is eligible for the grand prize drawing. Avi parties are encouraged, supported, and optional.


(ETA, i wasn't working on a summary, i was working on options for a poll, but saw that it wasn't what y'all wanted so stopped working on it, and worked on this ^ post instead)

 

[tiburonfirst]

Procrastination is an art form Tibby. An art form.

yup! especially if the rw calls!

 

[TomCatt]

Well, other than "one more rule to enforce"... I see your point. But WHY? Will it really change anything? Like CES said that Kat said that several have said....( ) We were awesome even before there was a contest, and we had avatar parties.

EDIT: eligibility is the issue for the G.P. There's only one winner. So that statement is always true.

very few at the end - do not deceive yourself as to how much of a come-on this contest is .....

Point taken.
..........

Just some Random Thoughts:

IMO it wasn't necessarily the contest that brought people around; but the notifications sent out for people that they were turning Veterans. The contest may have provided some (or a lot) incentive; but just the fact that pre-vet members were notified about the turning Vet process provided, at least, just as much incentive for them to drop by. There are members that have 2+ years here but are still not veterans due to a low post count and most likely do not know about the ECF Veteran status.

Things have slowed down since switching to just inviting members we know. Before any invitations were sent out at all 'officially'; wasn't it discouraged to 'trawl' for pre-vets? So we went from a relatively low activity to a lower activity to a high activity and finally are at a medium(?) activity level; which seems to me most likely, once we go through 'those we know', go back to a lower activity from random drop-bys and contest seekers showing up.

 

[tiburonfirst]

you're right, ces, because i remember how most of us felt becoming a ''clearing house''

 

[AttyPops]

CES. Are you still working a poll, or was your vote above "it"?

 

[AttyPops]

I'll just point out that if you don't want to "become a clearing house" for the contest, you can separate the contest from PVT.

 

[whiskey]

I just really want to come to an agreement.....and i keep getting lost in the discussion and minutia. Tibs isn't gonna budge on the attendance at the fireworks (are ya tibs ) i don't want to force attendance, but will live with it (my vote below notwithstanding), if everyone else feels as strongly about it.

We all want it to be simple and fun..and if we were sitting around a table together we could hash it out pretty easily, keep on track, and keep track of things. I've had my say 15 or 16 times now...and probably contradicted myself several times

Anyway here's my vote:

Welcome thread eligibility for monthly drawing: ask for one in PVT or have an ecf vet start it in the new vets forum, must posted be prior to or within 24 hours after turning. Request must come through PVT, in the form of 1 post minimum in PVT

Any welcome thread eligible for the monthly drawing is eligible for the grand prize drawing. Avi parties are encouraged, supported, and optional.


(ETA, i wasn't working on a summary, i was working on options for a poll, but saw that it wasn't what y'all wanted so stopped working on it, and worked on this ^ post instead)

Okay...heres a good update and in fact its about what we all want...lets use this to guide by...Ces I don't think the poll will be a good idea for reasons Atty posted earlier..

 

[TomCatt]

I'll just point out that if you don't want to "become a clearing house" for the contest, you can separate the contest from PVT.

Is this really an option?

 

[TomCatt]

...

Anyway here's my vote:

Welcome thread eligibility for monthly drawing: ask for one in PVT or have an ecf vet start it in the new vets forum, must posted be prior to or within 24 hours after turning. Request must come through PVT, in the form of 1 post minimum in PVT

Any welcome thread eligible for the monthly drawing is eligible for the grand prize drawing. Avi parties are encouraged, supported, and optional.


...

I second this

 

[AttyPops]

I don't have a problem doing a poll. I just don't think a public poll with the questions you have would make sense to people outside this thread because they won't know what we are talking about.

A text based poll within this thread is fine, IMO. Or a poll designed for all of ECF is fine too. Just mixing the two is tough.

 

[CES]

Ok...shred away....


how it works now....

1. welcome thread - entitles the prevet to an entry in the monthly contests. to get a thread, all that is needed is to ask for one or have an ecf vet start it in the new vets forum prior to turning. (In practice it has always come through PVT. )

2. avatar party- must request and be present on the PVT thread at the exact time that they joined, any deviations from the original timing results in disqualification from the entry for the grand prize.

Options for what we want

1. welcome thread - entitles the prevet to an entry in the monthly contests. Eligible threads will be in the new vets forum prior to turning. The welcome thread request comes through PVT, in the form of 1 post minimum in PVT
a. choose between 'prior to' turning or 'within 24 hours of' turning
b. choose can or cannot be self-started

2. Options for Avatar parties:

A. Not required for entry into prize drawing

B. Required for entry into prize drawing, time can be scheduled without penalty
a. choose between must be present on the PVT thread at the time of turning, or must be present within 15 minutes of time of turning
b. choose between exceptions can be made and exceptions cannot be made if circumstances warrant I.e. military service, illness, emergency, internet problems

C. Anybody with either a welcome thread or avi party who is present at the fireworks is eligible for the grand prize drawing
a. choose between must be present on the PVT thread at the time of turning, or must be present within 15 minutes of time of turning
b. choose between exceptions can be made and exceptions cannot be made if circumstances warrant I.e. military service, illness, emergency, internet problems


Please make changes in and re-post the whole thing as you make edits.....



I've saved this wording, but please mark the location of this post....I've also read back through what got posted as i typed this up...agreed, no formal "poll". I still like the least restrictive option- because I'm lazy, though Tibs could well be right. Good points Catt. Atty I you too)

 

[AttyPops]

Is this really an option?

I don't know why not. Although the consensus is that the contest was for the PVT to begin with and encourages participation, or at least awareness, of PVT. It's not a popular option.

Also hard to track without PVT, since IDK how to tell when someone actually "turned". For example, someone that joined ECF in 2009 but currently has 80 posts could pop in and say "Hi, I turned this year and made myself a welcome thread and then entered the contest". But how do we verify that? ECF doesn't show us when they turned on the profile page or anything (IDK if there is an electric record/audit trail... if there is, we can't see it).

 

[AttyPops]

CES. I love you.

Tibby... I'm fickle.