Precise ELA Telescoping Mod by Super-T!
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Wow, I didn't see that. I haven't run across that before. What a bummer
Yup, bummer. So, I guess I can assume, this is not a normal occurrence for them.
Do you use the long or regular length? How long do they normally last for you? What volt battery do you run with the 1.5ohm?
Thank you!
I just got an email reply from Hanna regarding the HH's.... He said that the coils themselves are either in stock or not. He builds everything else, so I assume these cisco spec coils are pre made, and Hanna makes the orders with those pre made coils. Here's his reply to my 0.8 request....
Date: 25-Jun-2013 11:14:15
Name: Hanna Hadawar
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We are out of the 0.8 coils right now, and not too sure if or when we are going to re stock them. As far as the solid 510 connector we no longer use them, and the air holes are more where leaking occurs since the open center post is sealed against the device when threaded on.
Best Regards
Hanna Hadawar
I've never seen it before, but that may be because I only buy one every few months. They typically last me at least 2 or 3 months before I start to notice a drop in flavor or performance, and I use them a lot. I probably have 4 or 5 of them laying around that work better than most other atomizers out there even if they don't perform like a brand new one does.
I use 1.5 on unregulated 3.7v devices. On a VV device I typically like them at 3.8 or 3.9, and with a Kick I use between 9 and 10 watts.
I use 1.5 on unregulated 3.7v devices. On a VV device I typically like them at 3.8 or 3.9, and with a Kick I use between 9 and 10 watts.
I don't know if this has been covered, but will the ELA work with flat tops? I found some on sale and I figured I might as well stock up on batts while I'm waiting on everything else.
Work of art. Wishing I didn't see this post.
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They were back in stock this past weekend. I don't know about now. Sorry, if I'd have known people were looking for them, I would have let them know. I just got 2 in yesterday.
almost ordered two also, I still can't pull the trigger for 20 bucks for something that will be dead in 3 months.
yep never tried an hh357. at this point doubt I will.
yep never tried an hh357. at this point doubt I will.
I am figuring on at least starting with them on my ELA. I use a non-rebuildable on my current vape. Still fearing the RBA/RDA thing. Hopefully, when I am feeling better, I will be in a position to try new and different things.
Hey guys, what are the "real" advantages of the classic atomizer (JoyeTech, HH.357, etc.) over the classic silica dripper? Doing the calculations, the silica drippers are definitely cheaper. They also last about a month and taste amazing (went straight from cartomizers to RBA/RDA setups due to penny pinching). Do the atomizers just plain taste better? Is there something substantial I'm missing out on here? Seeing how discerning everyone is here, I'm sure it's not just a single variable (I'm assuming taste or form factor?) that's being accounted for. Someone please explaine!
Hey guys, what are the "real" advantages of the classic atomizer (JoyeTech, HH.357, etc.) over the classic silica dripper? Doing the calculations, the silica drippers are definitely cheaper. They also last about a month and taste amazing (went straight from cartomizers to RBA/RDA setups due to penny pinching). Do the atomizers just plain taste better? Is there something substantial I'm missing out on here? Seeing how discerning everyone is here, I'm sure it's not just a single variable that's being accounted for. Someone please explaine!
It all comes down to preference, I think a good atty is amazing dripped, although I only use gennys at the moment. It's different than a rebuildable dripper, you'll just have to spring for one and see.
Thanks, ragnarockstar. What I'm wondering is what exactly it is that makes them different for those that use them. Taste? Throat hit? Mouth feel? Flavor? If we see atomizers as coils that vaporize e-juice, shouldn't all of them work similarly given a certain surface area and power? What are those singular factors that makes an atomizer better than a silica-based-coil?
I tried traditional atomizers and the closest to them I would say are mesh or genesis drip atomizers. If you look at them from the point of view, traditional atomizers have a wire with steel mesh bridge in them, basically a small wad of ss mesh in a sort of a u shape. Mesh for many seems to give a cleaner , truer flavour with more vapour.
I tried the high end ones, CISCO, IKV, and another one I cant remember. THe one that lasted me the longest and tasted the best was a black and gold Joyce atty. All the others took a while to prime them and I think I messed up some , and the others I never was able to clean and get the new taste back again. Im sure it was user error or maybe I got a "bad" one/ s . The taste experience didnt warrant the price or the hassle. But that was my experience.
I think if you set up a dripper with mesh you will get that same experience. But me I like silica, not as hot , but thats how I like my vape.
I think many peoples opinion on silica is based on poor quality silica or the crumby builds and silica that come sent with the atomizers. A good quality silica after its been thru proper cleaning and torching is great, clean and easy.
I tried the high end ones, CISCO, IKV, and another one I cant remember. THe one that lasted me the longest and tasted the best was a black and gold Joyce atty. All the others took a while to prime them and I think I messed up some , and the others I never was able to clean and get the new taste back again. Im sure it was user error or maybe I got a "bad" one/ s . The taste experience didnt warrant the price or the hassle. But that was my experience.
I think if you set up a dripper with mesh you will get that same experience. But me I like silica, not as hot , but thats how I like my vape.
I think many peoples opinion on silica is based on poor quality silica or the crumby builds and silica that come sent with the atomizers. A good quality silica after its been thru proper cleaning and torching is great, clean and easy.
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Please tell us David!!! I really wanna know when is that 2nd batch gonna start shipping =)
Hey guys, what are the "real" advantages of the classic atomizer (JoyeTech, HH.357, etc.) over the classic silica dripper? Doing the calculations, the silica drippers are definitely cheaper. They also last about a month and taste amazing (went straight from cartomizers to RBA/RDA setups due to penny pinching). Do the atomizers just plain taste better? Is there something substantial I'm missing out on here? Seeing how discerning everyone is here, I'm sure it's not just a single variable (I'm assuming taste or form factor?) that's being accounted for. Someone please explaine!
I see you joined in January of this year. I think a little historical essay is in order here.
I started out on eGo-T's, which were basically the standard, mass-manufactured atomizers you describe; but with a plastic tank to keep the wick wet. The batteries were weak, but the atomizers were Joyetech and pretty decent. Biggest drawback was that the air pathway was not direct, and the vapor was cooled too much on the way out.
After that, I went to 510 and 901 atomizers. I tried feeders for them -- a GG UFS and a FOG (old school, right?), but was never satisfied that I had to slurp juice up to the coil to make it vapeable. The more modern AMP tank today is similar to the UFS, and lots of people love them -- but they're not for me.
So I direct dripped for a while. IkenVape atties became my favorites -- reasonably priced and acceptable longevity. But dripping 5 - 6 drips, vaping about 20 draws, and re-dripping got old and was impractical in the car.
With all of the above, cleaning and dry burning seemed to be no more than a hack. I tried bathing them in Everclear, dry burning and rinsing under the tap, cleaning in a jewelry cleaner... but regardless of the effort I put into them, they never performed as well as a new atomizer. Sure, they were still better than smoking, but still not as good as new.
Unfortunately, the cost of new atomizers made replacing them every week impractical. So then I tried carto tanks. They were much more convenient than dripping, had an adequate flavor -- adequate as high praise as I can offer them, and the lower cost of cartos allowed more frequent replacement.
See, for the longest time, the major Coke-Pepsi battle in the vaping world was either atties or cartos. There were some weirdos here and there who used clearos; but for the most part, cigarette look-alike toppers were the primary option. My vaping nirvana seemed oh so elusive. I enjoyed at least some aspect of the eGo-T's, the atty feeders, direct drip, and carto tanks. However, not one of those methods came without some nagging shortcoming.
Then a German modder named raidy shared his brilliant atomizer invention for non-profit application (thanks jasl). Scubadatdan popularized it with his Scubagen co-ops. Oh, how I lusted after the Scubagen. But alas, it never came to be. Regardless, I believe Scubadatdan changed the vaping world. The Scubagen with its simple and openly-published design sparked a flood of modders with their garage lathes starting lists for the wave of the future: the Genesis.
The first commercial Genesis atomizers were sold without mesh, or otherwise some assembly required, to circumvent raidy's imposed restrictions. After all, without a wick or a coil, it can hardly be called an atomizer, right? Soon thereafter, Chinese manufacturers began ignoring raidy's "non-commercial use" license entirely as not applicable outside Germany, and mass-producing Genesis tanks for the masses. All of a sudden, rebuildables were becoming mainstream.
I owned a couple of sweet ones, myself.
Sweet as they were, they had very small juice capacity, were not pocket friendly, and my 300 mesh wick never wicked fast enough to keep me from getting dry hits. With the expense of mesh, I wasn't comfortable experimenting with other types of mesh with no guarantee that I would be satisfied.
But silica is cheap, requires no torching or other preparation, and doesn't need dry burning.
I missed the Odysseus train, but I caught the Penelope. It's everything I wanted -- a tank large enough to last for a few hours between fills, no need to dry burn or any other hackish maneuver to salvage a dirty coil, and the vape... Man oh man... The vape tastes like manna dipped in unicorn tears. It's every bit as good as my best day of dripping. The Penelope can be a little fiddly and takes a little practice to get a feel for when to widen or close the juice control. But it's worlds above anything I'd tried before.
It also makes me wish I'd tried an Iatty back in the day. But at the time, everywhere I saw Iatty, I saw "Warning! You are noob. You cannot handle the ossumness that is Iatty. Find something else. Rookie." In retrospect, it could be that this sort of "This is advanced. You are not." marketing of the Iatty was why rebuildables weren't popular much sooner. Or it could also be that modders were less willing to copy each other's designs before the Genesis, so the very limited supply never generated widespread demand. I'm not sure.
Anyway, so, no, you aren't missing anything. Mass-manufactured 510 atties are, in my opinion, a legacy holdover from the days before better options were widely available. You picked a good time to start vaping. RBA's and RDA's haven't been mainstream for that long. True, they've been available in more primitive forms for several years. But it's only been in recent months when supply has met the demand, and anyone who wants to own a rebuildable can.
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Still Pre-shipment info status from the 27th.....................................................whats up David?
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