prices

[bluegenzel]

It's good, to have a dream, Imeo. Some years ago, I started vaping, GG was a myth, sometimes not getting for pure gold. Nowadays, in the big german forums, wehre I am no longer active, they talk only about clones and beginning vapers know nothing about quality, innovation and the spirit behind this. vaping world has changed, but GG is on the right way to come back in the minds of vapers. You are right, many people, who vape GG, don't write in forums, as they are disappointed about bad reviews and the ignorance of other vapers. That's the reason, I'm no longer in German forums, only in the ECF. Not easy, to come back in mind of young vapers. Facebook is no solution, it's only a platform for clones and some modders and many people like me don't like to give informations to Zuckerberg . The only way, I see, is a good pricing, which You began with Tilemahos and GG4S and more reviews from honoured people. And please, don't sell in shops together with other mods. GG belongs to GG, as Vassilis to ESG. Did a very good job over years, I know him and don't want to miss him.

 

[imeothanasis]

your post shows exactly the current situation Blue. I am really sad about this. And thats why I refuse to play this game.
And I am very happy that I am not forced to play this game because fortunately sales are going as usual.

I am also sad because pioneers on the e-cig world like Trog and super t are not mentioned any more as pioneers. People forget easy. Education is what is missing here. And a magic rod of course

 

[imeothanasis]

Blue, really Germans talk about clones and inferior products in general? I didnt know that and..... to speak the truth I didnt expect that, especially from Germans.

Its a real mess, isnt it?

 

[bluegenzel]

Young vapers grow up with Pinoy style and know nothing about that, what pioniers like You have done for the world of vaping. Fasttech is there Mecca. But that's the way, the world is...fast in forgetting. But don't mind, be happy, that You have not to play the game for financial reasons. I'm sure, GG will be back soon. Nowhere to get a Tilemahos or a Pene V3...not bad

 

[bluegenzel]

Blue, really Germans talk about clones and inferior products in general? I didnt know that and..... to speak the truth I didnt expect that, especially from Germans.

Its a real mess, isnt it?

It's true, Imeo. In the two big German forums You read only about clones and if You say sonething against it, a ....storm begins. The don't see, that pioneeres made the clones possible. I'm because of this out there, not longer intersted in hearing about Kayfun or GT or Squape R clones... Germans buy expensive cars, but in vaping the prefer clones. Sad...

 

[bluegenzel]

It's a real mess!

 

[imeothanasis]

wow, impressed Blue. What a pity my friend

But if we sit and watching nothing will happen. Is there something we can do? Is the problem that the big stores do the damage?

 

[bluegenzel]

I don't think, that the big german stores do the damage. Intaste and Digitalsteam sell only originals. Many little shops are the real problem, they sell the clones. And especially Fasttech, You need only patience to get the stuff. I have given up convincing people in forums about origininals. I do my best with my vaping friends, to convince them. That's not a great problem, if they see the differences between originals and clones

 

[imeothanasis]

So we have 2 kinds of problems here. Reviewers and clones. Reviewers have the mind to understand what they really have to do with original stuff but clones and smaller stores are a difficult problem for sure. On the other hand, reviewers can solve that problem too by not making clone reviews.

I really wish I was a reviewer. Things would be in place for sure.

 

[bluegenzel]

Other modders make a cooperation with intaste, the German store with the most influence. They broght SvoeMesto to Germany, supported Niko Vapor or Atmomixani for example. But with ESG You have one of the best resellers and shipping to Germany with Fedex is really fast and not to expensive. The real problem are reviewers, wich are willing to review clones, enough German ones on YouTube. Clones have to be ignored, it's a shame, to use or to review them. But as long such people make vapers believe, that clones are an alternative, it's difficult. Nowadays many get their opinion from Facebook or YouTube, not from real experience. All of my friends, which tested Tilemahos, were extremly satisfied and bougt one. Not the Esterigon, for me very suitible, but expensive and a little bit tricky. But the GG4S they will buy, I'm sure. It's a very cheap combi, cheaper than Niko's Vaorr Giant Mini, better quality and better performance. But Niko, supported by the big shops, dominates the highend-market. He made the same decision like You and lowered the price, but the quality is not longer the same, Hope, that that never happens to GG, but for that I truest in You, Imeo. A little bit bad for the reputation of GG was the lomg journey of Proteus, but now it comes with VIR to an, I hope, good end and the higher price than first announced, goes ok.

 

[imeothanasis]

GG is all about innovation and quality Blue. If I stop supporting these 2 options together then be sure that I dont want anyone buy from me any more. I just want to include to those 2 options one more: The price. Then I believe that we will stay the kings of the market.

Thank you for all the info you provided to me Blue. It was really useful. I know what is going on to the sales market, I know the sales of other mods and I am so happy that I am far away. But if situation doesnt change we will have a problem for sure. I just want to eliminate the problem before it appears.

 

[Frillo]

In Italy is the same ... in the most important forum everybody are for genesis (I don't like genesis because I hate to put so much metallic stuff in my liquid)... in the others they talk only about clones and Fasttech ...

 

[imeothanasis]

thats a pity Frillo.

Clones are good only because they force modders to sell to the right price, nothing else. Thats what I want to do. Put the right prices for vaping community, keep the quality and throw clones away.

ps........ we are happy buying from thieves. Are we really serious here?

ps2....... At least Tilemahos is inexpensive so China didnt bother to clone it. Thats a very good strategy

 

[alexli]

Hmm I don't doubt that 5000 would sell with time (assuming you don't make something even better before they sell out lol) And that price is pretty awesome for a quality tank. I really hope the pre order numbers can be met.

There are stores with a real-time price/number of sold units calculator. The more quantity are bought, the less money must be payed at the end. I did not buy from them - not sure how this thing really worked. Thanks God GG being in stock, I'm all set for now, you know what i mean

 

[imeothanasis]

I checked out Phils Kayfun v4 review too. That's the first time, since I've been using GG, that I have looked at anything else! LOL
DAMN! Does that thing have a LOT of parts!!! Kayfun=NOfun

I like how when he reviewed the Ithaka he said it was over engineered due to amount of parts, yet the new kayfun has almost double the parts! And, now he claims " I think the smarter devices are those with a TON of parts" , LMAO
Obviously he hasn't had the pleasure of the Tilemahos!

He's a good reviewer, but definitely kafun biased.

OK, rant over, back to on topic

exactly like that mr.
be sure that the smartest devices are those that with minimum parts give the maximum result. But thats not easy at all!
If you let me free to make a big atomizer with a ton of parts, I can make a rocket buddy lol

 

[mrZoSo]

exactly like that mr.
be sure that the smartest devices are those that with minimum parts give the maximum result. But thats not easy at all!
If you let me free to make a big atomizer with a ton of parts, I can make a rocket buddy lol

YES! And I think you nailed it with the Tilemahos!
Less parts = less that can go wrong, and adds dependability.
Less parts = less in size, weight yet add fluid capacity.
Hard to improve on perfection, but I'm sure you'll find a way

LOL @ "make a rocket buddy"

 

[67style]

today i was asked if the new gg atomizers still use that "combo-wire"..

 

[imeothanasis]

Too many people like us but they dont follow us here 67. They need much more time to know what is going on. I am happy that you informed them

 

[67style]

it would be a shame to not inform them. after we talked about atomizers i showed him GG4S
so much great releases are waiting for us.

 

[imeothanasis]

2013 was a great year 67. 2014 better. 2015 simply the best