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I only loaned yesterday so this is still all very confusing to me, but it sounds like a blast ! I can't wait to finish doing all of my research, since I have Emphasema i have to be sure I'm not putting water vapor into my lungs ??? It will kill me quicker than regular disgusting cigarettes will, as much as I hate to say that. I am looking into it, but I'm limited cause I only have an I-pad & it won't seem to give me the information I'm asking for but I keep looking.. 
Wow, everyone is so friendly & welcoming. Thanks Mikedin & Shipwreck, I wasn't too sure if I was actually going to be able to do something like this or not. I just can't wait til I find out all the info I need so I can get the equipment I need & then I'll be able to chat about that. Because I really do have to stop smoking ! In 05 my Mother, (God Rest Her Soul) past away from Emphasema & on her dying bed I promised her I would quit. I even Crushed the pack I had & had my daughter throw the other one away, (22yr old daughter at the time). The stress was overwhelming & I just couldn't stop & here I am still smoking & killing myself now ! So it's time to do something, I have 3 beautiful Grandsons, 10, 7 & 5... I am in Washington now, but hopefully by the end of the year I will be going back to California where they are & the last thing I want to here from them is, ewwwww, Nana you smell like smoke... Till next time.
You aren't inhaling water vapor. But if you are worried about it, look at higher PG mixes. PG has been used in asthma inhalers for decadesI only loaned yesterday so this is still all very confusing to me, but it sounds like a blast ! I can't wait to finish doing all of my research, since I have Emphasema i have to be sure I'm not putting water vapor into my lungs ??? It will kill me quicker than regular disgusting cigarettes will, as much as I hate to say that. I am looking into it, but I'm limited cause I only have an I-pad & it won't seem to give me the information I'm asking for but I keep looking..
Tough love time.
@Susan Adrito, if you already have emphysema don't vape and don't smoke. Just quit, unless you want to die sooner rather than later. Just quit. Now.
Look, we don't know much about the effects of vaping on your health. We pretty much assume that it is MUCH better than ciggies for a person who is not yet sick. It is an effective tool to help people get away from cigs. vaping is relatively new (8 years or so), and very few studies have been done, and no long-term studies have been done. We are all lab rats in this test. That's fine for the more healthy vapers, because it is better than what we used to do (i.e., smoke).
PG is used as a carrier in asthma inhalers. But that is atomized, not heated.
Bottom line, we don't know whether vaping is safe for an emphysema patient. And there are probably no experts that do know. I don't think anyone here should be giving medical advice to a sick person. Support, fine. Medical advice, hold your opinions as opinions, please.
@Susan Adrito, if you already have emphysema don't vape and don't smoke. Just quit, unless you want to die sooner rather than later. Just quit. Now.
Look, we don't know much about the effects of vaping on your health. We pretty much assume that it is MUCH better than ciggies for a person who is not yet sick. It is an effective tool to help people get away from cigs. vaping is relatively new (8 years or so), and very few studies have been done, and no long-term studies have been done. We are all lab rats in this test. That's fine for the more healthy vapers, because it is better than what we used to do (i.e., smoke).
@USMCotaku, in fact much of the vapor is water vapor formed by the hydrophilic effect of heated glycerin and/or propylene glycol. The heated pg and vg absorbs water from your saliva and from the air. So, yeah, if you inhale vapor you are inhaling a greater amount of water vapor than is in the air around you.
PG is used as a carrier in asthma inhalers. But that is atomized, not heated.
Bottom line, we don't know whether vaping is safe for an emphysema patient. And there are probably no experts that do know. I don't think anyone here should be giving medical advice to a sick person. Support, fine. Medical advice, hold your opinions as opinions, please.
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Ok, after doing some moderately extensive web crawling, I finally found a MSDS on an inhaler using a pg base, that claimed patients with emphysema may experience irritation. While I found no solid answers for your specific circumstances, this would be enough to make me want to consult a physician prior to use if I were you.
My experience has been higher pg based liquid dries me out some, but you're circumstance is different and warrants extra care
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My experience has been higher pg based liquid dries me out some, but you're circumstance is different and warrants extra care
Sent with one hand, the other is busy vaping.
Found a site to peruse........
netdoctor - Coping with smoker's lung (chronic bronchitis)
One of the suggestions on this site was to consider e-cigs as a way to help quitting smoking
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netdoctor - Coping with smoker's lung (chronic bronchitis)
One of the suggestions on this site was to consider e-cigs as a way to help quitting smoking
Sent with one hand, the other is busy vaping.
question re; vaping
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So I posted a few things for you to look at. Ultimately only you can make the decision to vape or not. In searching for those links, I came across posts on other forums of people with emphysema, copd etc., vaping with success and reported feeling better after ditching cigarettes, but with health at stake, the more info you have the better.I only loaned yesterday so this is still all very confusing to me, but it sounds like a blast ! I can't wait to finish doing all of my research, since I have Emphasema i have to be sure I'm not putting water vapor into my lungs ??? It will kill me quicker than regular disgusting cigarettes will, as much as I hate to say that. I am looking into it, but I'm limited cause I only have an I-pad & it won't seem to give me the information I'm asking for but I keep looking..
If you do vape, my opinion would be you should stay away from high power, sub ohm cloud type set ups. The lowest vapor production possible to deliver your Nic fix seems like an obvious to me
Good luck and best wishes...i would hate to be in your shoes with such a decision, i love my vaping too much
I only loaned yesterday so this is still all very confusing to me, but it sounds like a blast ! I can't wait to finish doing all of my research, since I have Emphasema i have to be sure I'm not putting water vapor into my lungs ??? It will kill me quicker than regular disgusting cigarettes will, as much as I hate to say that. I am looking into it, but I'm limited cause I only have an I-pad & it won't seem to give me the information I'm asking for but I keep looking..
Hi Susan and welcome. First, since you've been diagnosed with emphysema, you know that you should stop smoking, right? Like right now, preferably (I read your introductory post.)
Have you considered other ways of getting your nic fix? Swedish snus is the best and the safest--it's been studied for ever. If you can't get Swedish snus locally, American snus will do, but it's not as good. Using snus is best for ailing lungs, of course, because there's no inhalation involved--you just park a small pouch of purified tobacco under your lip and you're done.
I'm not a pulmonologist so I can't tell you if vaping is safe for people with COPD/emphysema, but one study conducted by Dr. Polosa from Italy seems to be encouraging:
Dr. Polosa, Italian vapor and tobacco expert, reviews e-cigs in BMC Medicine - American Council on Science and Health (ACSH)
"Among people with asthma and/or COPD (chronic obstructive lung disease, bronchitis and emphysema), improvement in symptoms was noted in two-thirds of smokers who switched to vaping. According to Dr. Polosa, taken together, these findings provide emerging evidence that e-cig/vapor product use can reverse harm from tobacco smoking."
You may also want to read this post by Smokey Joe, the founder of this forum:
My emphysema and vaping. Attention dual users. | Page 2 | E-Cigarette Forum
If you decide that you want to vape, talk to your doctor--show him the study, and give it a try. But be smart about it and vape defensively. Here's what I would suggest:
1) Don't inhale. You can vape and get your nicotine without inhaling--vape like you would smoke a cigar or a pipe. I do it often to give my lungs a break. It's fun.
2) If you must inhale, avoid flavored eliquids--stick to unflavored base (just PG, VG and nicotine, I like 70/30 PG/VG ratio) or choose very lightly flavored, clean, clear eliquids--menthol is the cleanest of all flavorings.
3) Vape at low wattages and use mouth to lung vaping technique--avoid high wattage/sub ohm cloud chasing.
Good luck!
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That was the study I was looking for, thanks Katya
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Yes, hydroscopic may be the more accurate term than hydrophilic, which I used.
The other links and suggestions that @USMCotaku, and @Katya provided seem like they should be very helpful to @Susan Adrito in my opinion. (I have no expertise.) I especially like Katya's suggestion of snus and SJ's suggestion of mouth-only vaping; nothing inhaled.
I quit smoking in one day with vaping. I feel WAY better for it! I absolutely encourage smokers to vape. But I think we need to be pretty careful about encouraging people with lung specific illnesses to take up vaping in lieu of smoking. There are other methods of NRT and quitting.
Wow, everyone is so friendly & welcoming. Thanks Mikedin & Shipwreck, I wasn't too sure if I was actually going to be able to do something like this or not. I just can't wait til I find out all the info I need so I can get the equipment I need & then I'll be able to chat about that. Because I really do have to stop smoking ! In 05 my Mother, (God Rest Her Soul) past away from Emphasema & on her dying bed I promised her I would quit. I even Crushed the pack I had & had my daughter throw the other one away, (22yr old daughter at the time). The stress was overwhelming & I just couldn't stop & here I am still smoking & killing myself now ! So it's time to do something, I have 3 beautiful Grandsons, 10, 7 & 5... I am in Washington now, but hopefully by the end of the year I will be going back to California where they are & the last thing I want to here from them is, ewwwww, Nana you smell like smoke... Till next time.
Welcome and I wish you the best in your search for what will help you on your journey to better health. I cannot give too much advice to a person that already suffers from Emphasema, but I hope you do find your answers and I hope you have many happy days ahead with your grandbabies. Being a Grandparent is the very best of things.
BRAVO - IMO - As someone who has suffered through the years with major Allergies & Asthma as a child into adulthood and who was also diagnosed back in 2000 with Emphysema & COPD caused by chronic bouts of bronchitis (which use to happened at least 2 - 3 x's a year) . . . This is the most responsible and best response given to this discussion . . .
AND - I will also mention that although I am still a duel user (Smoking cigarettes/Vaping usually 70/30) not only have I noticed, but "My" Doctors (PCP & Pulmonologist) have too - A HUGE DIfference in "My" ability to breath and overall health health since I started Vaping . . .
Now what works for "ME" is not what might work for "YOU" . . . SO - It is very important to continue to do "Your" research and check with your doctors about what is right for "YOU" . . . GOOD LUCK ! ! !
(BTW: NO, IT IS NOT AS EASY AS SOME CONTINUALLY PROFESS & ARGUE with their Holier-than-tho attitudes about quitting in one day - Smoking cigarettes/tobacco is not just a habit, but a real addiction that some people have a much harder time breaking away from . . . Just Sayin' . . .)
I was on vacation for 2 weeks and missed the countdown to 15 million.
As a consolation prize, I will take 120 ml of the virus in 6 mg.
Thank you.
Your buddy,
John Q
As a consolation prize, I will take 120 ml of the virus in 6 mg.
Thank you.
Your buddy,
John Q
That is freaking amazing. When I first came across this forum 6 or 7 years ago there were 30,000 plus members. That was what impressed me enough to start vaping. Now there are over 223,000. It almost blows my mind. I am thankful to this forum and the contributing members for helping me ditch the smokes for good.
I feel like Kent isn't giving my begging for free juice posts the gravity they deserve.
heh. Gravity.
heh. Gravity.
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