Proper setup for Nic Salts.
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Okay - so would you recommend him starting higher?
I know for me the difference between like my Kabuki and my serpent mini the difference is fairly large.
I can still tolerate a few puffs of 18mg on my Kabuki but if I were to use that in the serpent mini, even with the same ohms in both devices 18mg would make me nic sick bad. (Honestly even 9 will)
My problem is that I've been vaping for a long time and have little tolerance now for nicotine in general. Just the fact I can put 3mg in the Kabuki and be happy rather proves that. . Lol.
So... on this point you might be closer to knowing with more certainty what nic level he should start at...
Therefore, was I incorrect in saying start at 6mg?
I usually advice buying same juice in 12mg and 6mg. If 12 is too much you can dilute with 6. Dropping to 12 from 24 or 18 is pretty extreme even with dtl. I'm a big fan of stepping down one or two mg at a time.
If you click that link, you'll see I did. Your original choice wasn't a huuge coil, but demonstrated his request was not actually descriptive (in dual coil it's would be really close to what he's using already). Still, I would have been better off starting with my second post.
Another saying that might be useful is: "The Mod is not the Device". I'm only assuming he's using the tank that comes with the Majesty (some baby beast type) as he didn't actually say. The choice of battery unit is rarely of interest in itself.
because of the gist of what I have read about nic salt's. what I Think is true is that nic salt juices like to be vaped with high resistance coils. the may not be true.
I have litterally only day's of experiance vapeing. So pretty much total nube here.
I have ordered an rta and am seriously considering the zuse rta as well.
I intend to do a lot of experimenting to reach my sweet spot.
Right now all I really know is that hot vapor really sux and it seems that getting a decient nic hit for me requires crazy nuts nic strength in my liquid. This 50mg nic strength liquid I am useing barely nudges the sweet spot.
I don't know what the equivilent mg woould be required to = 5 snuse pouches at once. That is what I am chaseing.
I diy my juices and use nic salts exclusively. My builds run .25-.42Ω and dtl and have no issues with the salt, my juices are 8-9mg. I make my friend's juices 15mg (sub ohm, dtl) and my uncle's 18mg (Nauti 1.6, mtl). You can use nic salts in any way you vape. Just like freebase.
You need WTA ejuice. .. seriously.
Nicotine salts is formulated for the character of its inhalation properties. Smooth nicotine salts (what your using) reduces the amount of throat hit that normal free base nicotine gives.
That is a benefit for any vaper who doesn't care for throat hit... but it's a special quality for those who need to vape higher amounts of nicotine because at those levels freebase nicotine would tear your throat up.
That said, your having problems with the "satisfaction" portion and I feel the need to point out, that there are things (chemicals/properties) in tobacco that aren't in ejuice that you withdraw from when making the switch.
Try WTA ejuice... it can be more expensive than regular, but it will help more with the satisfaction portion of vaping than just using insanely high levels of nicotine. It gives you some of those properties found in tobacco that regular ejuice simply doesn't have
Red Tail Vapor Premium VG Based Nicotine Eliquids Ejuice
That's not the only place that sells it, but my husband does like their dark honey tobacco ejuice so I'll suggest them.
You can also go to Precision crafted WTA e-liquid. Made in the USA. | UmbaVape as well...
Interesting thought!
Traditional vaping (freebase) nicotine offers faster absorption/metabolism than nicotine salts (slower; more steady/prolonged absorption). But neither take into account the other alkaloids commonly found in tobacco consumption (smoking or chewing), or WTA's (whole tobacco alkaloids).
Not everyone needs WTA's to have a satisfying vape, but there are those that require that "something extra."
As a previous (prior?) snues user, @Steve W Pedersen might be interested in reading through this older (2009) thread. (Note: @DVap was one ECF member that was instrumental in getting a commercially available WTA to market.)
@DVap has posted a lot to the subject to WTA's; including this. But, feel free to sort through the plethora of posts. There isn't much. if anything post-2014, but I have found nothing to contradict it to date.
As always... YMMV.
And; disclaimer: I have no interest (monetary or otherwise) is any vape, or vape related product.
I am vaping 40mg nic salts on a zeus right now. I said earlier that these tanks may be too much for high nic, but it's been working fine for me. I am vaping it at .5ohms and 30w with temp control at 500f.
You can get any ohms coils you want really, all that matters is how much power you are sending to it and coil mass. I would not worry about hitting a target ohms, just make sure the coil mass is reasonable for the amount of watts you wanna push.
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I absolutely cannot vape without a nice throat hit and i find 40mg nic salt give slightly more throat hit then 6mg regular. I think he will be fine with nic salts. Just go big lol.
Nicotine isn't the only way to get throat hit - pg does too.
My point however, wasn't anything to do with the throat hit he was getting... my point is that with WTA ejuice he can find more satisfaction in vaping while using less nicotine.
Don't try it... it's only used temporarily in order to get people through some of the worst withdrawals... as a general rule, the point of vaping is to get away from these alkaloids.
However, in posting advice to new vapers, it helps to tailor your response in such a way that your helpful to the new vaper in need, and not just posting what you like or what works for you... as the OP in this thread is obviously not you and has a different set of needs which need to be addressed.
As I said before, I think the problem with your device is its just not your style. I tried the higher output tanks coming instead from lower output devices rather than from nothing and also am not impressed, but perhaps it could reassure you that this is partially because I have found some some smaller units amazing.
Nic salts are available in strengths that allow very low power, small devices to be more sufficient, but also allow higher nicotine with less irritation no matter what the device. The more vapor output and ejuice consumed, the lower the nicotine concentration in the ejuice needs to be for the same total result.
The person that said you need 1-1.5 ohms probably had in mind you need something with a much smaller coil and they would be correct, however they did not say that. To them it may be a way of saying the same thing because they don't fully understand it. To their credit the mistake is extremely common in the vape world and is not a problem in a very limited context. It's even somewhat the case with atomizers that use drop-in coil assemblies because they want it so if you drop the tank on to an old-style simple battery unit it will at least be usable. However, for example that coil supplier will make anything you want and assume you know what you are doing. Reread my other posts for more detail. As I mentioned, a 1-1.5 ohm Kanthal coil built to work at standard battery voltage (not TC) would be a classic mouth-to-lung MTL coil.
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And now for the other side of your question -- SNUS. According to what I have read, the solution to using 5 Camel snuses would be to switch to Swedish Snus. One pouch would probably be stronger. Snus is considered less harmful than vaping, however it does seem like you might have a bad relationship to it and a little more active habit such as vaping could work better. If you are highly addicted to not just nicotine but the chemical cocktail of whole tobacco you may still need some of it for a while.
WTA is expensive. I used it mainly to get over the hump of quitting and I keep a tank of it around for stressful situations.
Halting WTA is infinitely easier than detoxing from cigarettes though. With that said, TAR itself has been shown to have cerebral effects in the brain, actually, so even using WTA you will still be detoxing. There are various ways to handle that and I found WTA to be REALLY useful. I wish I hadn't started the husband on it, as I thought he'd dual use for a long time, but he recently came home with the loose tobacco equivalent of two cartons so now I wish I'd waited. LOL. I will not be buying him WTA forever, though. That ain't happening.
If you use it, use it strategically. Some folks prefer vaping it in an ongoing way and the alkaloids do provide some relaxant and antidepressant effects. Even if using it forever, my understanding it is safer than smoking but mainly due to combustion issues. If you never stop using it though, you may find yourself dependent on WTA over the long haul, as you will have never fully weaned from the alkaloids. Still less terrible than trying to give up cigs completely, but the alkaloids do play a major role in the "satisfaction" from cigarettes, however.
Anna
Halting WTA is infinitely easier than detoxing from cigarettes though. With that said, TAR itself has been shown to have cerebral effects in the brain, actually, so even using WTA you will still be detoxing. There are various ways to handle that and I found WTA to be REALLY useful. I wish I hadn't started the husband on it, as I thought he'd dual use for a long time, but he recently came home with the loose tobacco equivalent of two cartons so now I wish I'd waited. LOL. I will not be buying him WTA forever, though. That ain't happening.
If you use it, use it strategically. Some folks prefer vaping it in an ongoing way and the alkaloids do provide some relaxant and antidepressant effects. Even if using it forever, my understanding it is safer than smoking but mainly due to combustion issues. If you never stop using it though, you may find yourself dependent on WTA over the long haul, as you will have never fully weaned from the alkaloids. Still less terrible than trying to give up cigs completely, but the alkaloids do play a major role in the "satisfaction" from cigarettes, however.
Anna
When I was switching over I mostly didn't have ECF just this comment from a local tobacconist that they heard that vaping lacks the chemical in tobacco that "relaxes you". My attitude was yes, I don't know if it's one chemical or all 6999 other than nicotine, yeah there's something important there. After WTAs we may be finding out that salt form is an even more basic difference, pun irresistible ... I bet most WTA tends to have some salts too.
I like KGD (Koh Gen Doh) I tried Rayon but didn't really care for it. I think you can get it at a cosmetic supply. Their name slips my mind at the moment, but they are Japanese cotton pads for cleaning make up off, I think.
From the little I understand about nic salt is the idea is to be able to use a much higher amount of nic and using a high resistance atty at lower power because it works better then reg nic at a lower temp. So you can just take a hit every once in a while instead of chain vaping, which would be excellent in my circumstance. Easy to build a high resistance coil with Kanthal or using Nautilus with the standard heads 1.6 ohms at around 8 or so watts. You wouldn't need a tank to hold a ton because you wouldn't be using that much. I may be understanding this wrong but thats the way I read it. No need for fancy attys or mods just something simple. Using anything that makes clouds you would defeat the purpose and probably get pretty dizzy besides.Welcome to ecf.
Yes, the 5% would be read here at 50mg/ml. And using a sub ohm d2l type of hit would seriously blow most of us skyhigh. Hell, I get skyhigh @ 6mg nic salts when using sub ohm.
I see you have received some good information from the other posters sothe only other thing I would add(especially when using nic salts and vaping in general) is to up your liquid intake...Drink a whole lot more when vaping than you normally would. Vaping in itself, even with freebase nic tends to dry out our nose, mouth and throat and nic salts is even worse. Most of the nic is absorbed through the mouth and throat anyway. When I use nic salts I really have to drink loads more liquids and if I don't I can tell the dryness starting. Pls don't ignore as dehydration is serious if you tend to dismiss the symptoms.
Yep, you are correct. In my case I was using 0.5 ohm coils and did not change tanks.
Heres a pretty good read about nic salts if you haven't read it.
Nicotine Salts: More Satisfying or Marketing Ploy? - Vaping360
And also at VapeDNA they say right in their advice about using the liquid, do not use in sub-ohm tanks for use in high resistance low power devices only. The Mr.Salty comes in 25mg and 45mg which if you were using standard nic would taste absolutely terrible. I used to vape 36mg standard juice when I was starting out over 8 years ago. My lungs have gone to hell and I'm vaping 4mg now but my lungs being so bad has made it so I can't chain vape and a puff every once in a while just isn't enough at that rate and if I up the nic my lungs hurt. I'm thinking real seriously about ordering 30ml from them and trying it in my Nauty Mini just trying to decide if I want 25mg or higher. The new POD devices are a lot like what I started out with cigalike type. I'm sure they have improved them but they work the same. The atty is built in and they turn one when you inhale. I'm thinking even the Nauty is more efficient then these so I may try the lower nic to start. 25mg is the lowest.
Nicotine Salts: More Satisfying or Marketing Ploy? - Vaping360
And also at VapeDNA they say right in their advice about using the liquid, do not use in sub-ohm tanks for use in high resistance low power devices only. The Mr.Salty comes in 25mg and 45mg which if you were using standard nic would taste absolutely terrible. I used to vape 36mg standard juice when I was starting out over 8 years ago. My lungs have gone to hell and I'm vaping 4mg now but my lungs being so bad has made it so I can't chain vape and a puff every once in a while just isn't enough at that rate and if I up the nic my lungs hurt. I'm thinking real seriously about ordering 30ml from them and trying it in my Nauty Mini just trying to decide if I want 25mg or higher. The new POD devices are a lot like what I started out with cigalike type. I'm sure they have improved them but they work the same. The atty is built in and they turn one when you inhale. I'm thinking even the Nauty is more efficient then these so I may try the lower nic to start. 25mg is the lowest.
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