Protank MicroCoil Discussion!!

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MacTechVpr

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Billow leaks when placed horizontal. Lemo doesn't. Can't explain why. Vapn the Billow right now at a very comfortable slightly warm 35w. It'll chain at 50w all day. Not kidding.

The Egrip is just so convenient I find it in my pocket over every other setup in my humble arsenal.

Yes, I recommended the Billow to a close friend of this thread. The results have been huge.

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Could be the new V3 is ball detent? Seems to be the going thing with many manufacturers. My Mega afc is so hard to turn that the entire tank will unscrew from my batt if I attempt to turn it counter clockwise. It's noisy too. Lol


My mega afc won't turn to the smallest hole…:thumbs:

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Could be the new V3 is ball detent? Seems to be the going thing with many manufacturers. My Mega afc is so hard to turn that the entire tank will unscrew from my batt if I attempt to turn it counter clockwise. It's noisy too. Lol

I think the folks at Kanger are quite aware of the 510 pin limitation and have been shooting for some kind of venturi effect in their designs with the base geometry. It would appear that they've actually designed something that seems to effectively invoke the principle in the Subtank.

Good luck.

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p.s. It sounds like you got a v3 Mega. The v2 is the single hole (wish it were 2 you could attenuate). Discount Vapers has a good comparison.
 
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Yes, I recommended the Billow to a close friend of this thread. The results have been huge.

Congrats.

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Huge Clouds and Flavor is off the chain! If it just didn't weep juice from the afc screws and didn't empty the entire tank when placed horizontal......oh yeah, that's why I got the Lemo......
 

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I think the folks at Kanger are quite aware of the 510 pin limitation and have been shooting for some kind of venturi effect in their designs with the base geometry. It would appear that they've actually designed something that seems to effectively invoke the principle in the Subtank.

Good luck.

:)

p.s. It sounds like you got a v3 Mega. The v2 is the single hole (wish it were 2 you could attenuate). Discount Vapers has a good comparison.

According to the link I have a V1. Single hole in the adjuster which covers a v-slot.
 

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...The Egrip is just so convenient I find it in my pocket over every other setup in my humble arsenal.

Damn skippy, getcha. I've always been a first adopter. But I've adopted a few too many things since I started vaping, n'mean. If I didn't have a half dozen new decks to think out builds for I wouldn't mind takin a stab at a bottom a/f like that but I already have two on the priority list. Tell ya what…you report, we'll decide. I had to hand off the Billow.

And let me tell ya, the Subtank wasn't my first choice but it interjected itself because of OCC. And that was worth looking at for a great many vapers.

Good luck cig.

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Now I know that ya'll are pro tankers and all but after seeing / hearing how people struggle with that delivery method I thought I would drop this here so you can see first hand how easy some attys are to build.

Disclaimers:
if you don't like hard rock, I suggest you turn it down (no talking required here - two 8.25 wrap 29 ga Kanthal A1 TMC's and KGD)

If you like extremely challenging atomizer builds with fancy named coil configurations, this would not be a good vid for you.

If you think you are content with your current setup, I recommend you don't watch this video. It will likely make you want to grab an identical setup (I have 3 of the same mods and just picked up 4 of those attys). It vapes as crazy smooth as it builds too. Oh, I have a fourth (same) mod coming Thursday too [emoji1]

Oh if you want that atty (he just sold out) you can express your interest by going here: http://goo.gl/forms/8BhKhBYyEf


Here goes:

http://youtu.be/o4mSE52JIZ0
 
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Russ, couldn't agree with you more about the Nuppin'. I wish I could've gotten more than one (like 3 more). Possibly one of the most innovative bf atties, and vapes like a dream inside billowy clouds of delicious vapor.

That said, after reading Mac's and cig's thoughts on the subtank, I may just get one for the gf. Is the subtank 25 mm? That may make her vv v3 a bit, umm, small. And would definitely need to be built in the 1.6-1.8 ohm range.
 

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Now I know that ya'll are pro tankers and all but after seeing / hearing how people struggle with that delivery method I thought I would drop this here so you can see first hand how easy some attys are to build.

Disclaimers:
if you don't like hard rock, I suggest you turn it down (no talking required here - two 8.25 wrap 29 ga Kanthal A1 TMC's and KGD)

If you like extremely challenging atomizer builds with fancy named coil configurations, this would not be a good vid for you.

If you think you are content with your current setup, I recommend you don't watch this video. It will likely make you want to grab an identical setup (I have 3 of the same mods and just picked up 4 of those attys). It vapes as crazy smooth as it builds too. Oh, I have a fourth (same) mod coming Thursday too [emoji1]

Here goes:

http://youtu.be/o4mSE52JIZ0

Great coils supe. They're lookin' prettier every day.

:D

Good luck.
 

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Hey Mac, I truly appreciate your rundowns on these device's.
I am still very content with my 1.8ohm t.m.c.s of the single coil variety. I actually prefer to stay out of the sub-ohm category.
Are these devices going to be any kind of advantage?

Vape On Friends!

From A Galaxy Far Away Using Tapatalk

Listen C that great 29g 9/10 turn on .07" puts any new vaper within minutes in the flavor zone. They're right there experiencing some of the best at 12W that vaping can deliver. A standard Sig and a PT2 or Aero can deliver almost as much flavor and vapor volume as some of the other tanks I'm now looking at. It's kind of amazing that a simple tool and nature can help us do that but there it is.

The fact that so many of you now are in a position to pass that gift along to others is a wonderful thing. I wish I could've walked into that 18 months ago.

Vape on and pass it on!

Good luck.

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Looking good Crg, wish I had time to coil up 10. I usually just recoil the same head over and over until the insulator fails. Then I steal an insulator from a factory head and do it all over again.lol

Those coils look pretty sweet. What did you wind them on?

1.8 ohm on .073, 9 wraps 30 gauge. For me this is truly my sweet spot on my KPT 2's.
Thanks cig.

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As confirmed per posts by peraspera and others...





It would appear that Kanger's made a long range commitment to this device and preference for a diversity of standards and approaches by vapers. Yippie-kay! So I wouldn't quite tank it's antecedents quite just yet either! Kanger had a chance here to opt-out and didn't. The evidence clearly, the backward compatibility to the standard 510 assembly. As i said, they're covering all the bases and that would seem wise.

A good thing for us…as we find six ways to Sunday to make it better.

Good luck all.

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As confirmed per posts by peraspera and others...


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It would appear that Kanger's made a long range commitment to this device and preference for a diversity of standards and approaches by vapers. Yippie-kay! So I wouldn't quite tank it's antecedents quite just yet either! Kanger had a chance here to opt-out and didn't. The evidence clearly, the backward compatibility to the standard 510 assembly. As i said, they're covering all the bases and that would seem wise.

A good thing for us…as we find six ways to Sunday to make it better.

Good luck all.

:)

Leave it to Kanger!
Thanks Bro!

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w2p09Iu11U

Not a great coil but the stock Subtank coils can be rebuilt, looks easier than standard Kanger heads. Not sure about the insulator and positive pin.

Thanks for that Dan. To his credit the presenter is demonstrating that localization is important to get the set right. Unfortunately it's a ragged coil and that negates the benefits of symmetry by only going half-way there. A tensioned space wind would still be hot but distribute that heat more proportionately.

The gentleman is absolutely right…you might very well get burnt hits with ordinary torched microcoils pushing power through such an assembly. That's why people get a better vape with spacing, they're avoiding the shorts that come with incidental contact and eccentricity of too close spaced winds or incomplete oxidation of micros. Space them out and seek better alignment and you get better output. How about that? Kinda like what we've been saying here for quite some time. But you also lose potential output with an open wind given the same geometric space and also lose contact area which is unavoidably needed for good flavor along with all that diaphanous vapor.

Speaking of diaphanous…so far into week two with the original OCC .5Ω coil. Been what about 9 days now and finally after putting so much pure vg through it the wick is s t a r t i n g to provide a bit more flavor than the dry muted delivery (almost burning dry at first) of this factory OCC wick. It so much resembled silica at first that as I commented it seemed they had designed for it. The wick material does seem to be of a fine quality and appears linear. As super_X observed in his tests such fine directional wicking needs a good match or fit to a tensioned micro for intense flavor on bottom feeds. And that's a tough build in my estimation to make work…just like clearo's in many respects.

We are gonna have a lot of fun with this people and I'm lookin' forward to it. However, I don't believe you need 3mm wicking to make the magic happen. In fact, the opposite for performance.

Just imagine, that the OCC were a tight small dripper with some big air…would you be throwing in a 3mm coil???

Or would you be trying to match the airflow?

You can't get BOTH more vapor and flavor volume by reducing contact area and power. Which is better 53% coverage or contact across 5mm or 100%? Which is more likely to deliver the heat more evenly?

Don't forget, more wick the more power required for balance or you risk flooding. And the larger the tank the greater the potential. So listen' up crew this tank does fill it's well if under powered. Be prepared to match your build to this coil assembly to get both flavor and vapor performance. What is indicated is that even more in this assembly the vast array of tensioned winds that work exceedingly well in every other device will now work astonishingly well in a Subtank. And I'll be bringing you some right here, promise.

Hope all of you will too!

PROTANK >>> DRIPPER >>> SUBTANK

Amazing!

Good luck.

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