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Been vap'n on kgd all day now and must say it is a marked improvement over cotton ball wicking for chaining.
While cotton ball wicking wanes during long vapes (over 5 sec) kgd just keeps on rock'n. This no doubt attributed to kgd's unidirectional fiber orientation. Cotton ball with it's omnidirectional fibers and small nodules (pills) throughout interfere with continuous flow from the tank.
That said, it seems that cotton ball has a little more capacity to hold reserve juice while at rest. Probably because of it's fiber orientation and the little pills (nodules).
So if your vaping style is to take a short puff or three every few minutes or longer I doubt you would notice any difference. If you like to chain vape with long draws (me) then this product plain ol' kicks.
Overall vapor production and flavor are better than cotton ball wicking but I believe only because of the ability to take longer draws. YMMV
Added bonus: Wick Tuck method method works just fine.
Jury's still out on longivity but it stands to reason that the cotton ball wicking would clog faster than kgd for reasons mentioned above. Update to follow.
Maz?
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While cotton ball wicking wanes during long vapes (over 5 sec) kgd just keeps on rock'n. This no doubt attributed to kgd's unidirectional fiber orientation. Cotton ball with it's omnidirectional fibers and small nodules (pills) throughout interfere with continuous flow from the tank.
That said, it seems that cotton ball has a little more capacity to hold reserve juice while at rest. Probably because of it's fiber orientation and the little pills (nodules).
So if your vaping style is to take a short puff or three every few minutes or longer I doubt you would notice any difference. If you like to chain vape with long draws (me) then this product plain ol' kicks.
Overall vapor production and flavor are better than cotton ball wicking but I believe only because of the ability to take longer draws. YMMV
Added bonus: Wick Tuck method method works just fine.
Jury's still out on longivity but it stands to reason that the cotton ball wicking would clog faster than kgd for reasons mentioned above. Update to follow.
Maz?
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Rightya R.
That said, it seems that cotton ball has a little more capacity to hold reserve juice while at rest. Probably because of it's fiber orientation and the little pills (nodules)...So if your vaping style is to take a short puff or three every few minutes or longer I doubt you would notice any difference. If you like to chain vape with long draws (me) then this product plain ol' kicks.
Indeed, on the long draw and long lung pull. Rightuous.
Here's where the tuck might be grand. I don't think JC is as handicapped by bends as the directionally speedy Nextel. More flexible. Like Nextel, KGD was a surprise. Until I looked closer at the fiber detail. The natural fiber is impressive and incredibly close in micron size to the man made ceramic. But I was impressed how remarkably similar the performance is. I have long to go before I'll be certain. Lots of juices to try. But it still doesn't seem to beat Nextel for it's flavor neutrality broken in. Cotton still has its organic footprint after all. But I must say very neutral compared to common natural cotton.
it's similar flow rate though is a huge plus...and a consideration. You can empty a dripper fast. In the Immortalizer I use cotton like a tank spiraling it along the inner walls. Empties faster with JC. But there was a quite notable flavor density and color improvement. Closer to the best builds I've experienced, in the best dripper (the Immo). On a Trident, the juice flow in cotton bedding was revealing. I normally use singles and a good puff on the other side of the posts for juice retention. Usually a slightly higher density there to release into the actual coil wick arrangement. With JC it doesn't empty as efficiently. It stands to reason, it's not as permeable due to it's linear fiber structure so it wouldn't release as effectively either. I'm lining up the end tufts of a puff between the posts back into a small very sparse shallow bed under the wick. This seems to improve supply somewhat. Chaining hard I can empty the action zone.
I mention this to confirm the very directional nature of this media. It's powerful. And because of its retention no doubt more capable of higher wattage and so vapor production. Also of kicking up your juice budget.
No doubt Maz will love, and I'm looking forward to it. Hopefully she may post some wind values for the rest of us.
Good luck.
Rightya R.
Indeed, on the long draw and long lung pull. Rightuous.
Here's where the tuck might be grand. I don't think JC is as handicapped by bends as the directionally speedy Nextel. More flexible. Like Nextel, KGD was a surprise. Until I looked closer at the fiber detail. The natural fiber is impressive and incredibly close in micron size to the man made ceramic. But I was impressed how remarkably similar the performance is. I have long to go before I'll be certain. Lots of juices to try. But it still doesn't seem to beat Nextel for it's flavor neutrality broken in. Cotton still has its organic footprint after all. But I must say very neutral compared to common natural cotton.
it's similar flow rate though is a huge plus...and a consideration. You can empty a dripper fast. In the Immortalizer I use cotton like a tank spiraling it along the inner walls. Empties faster with JC. But there was a quite notable flavor density and color improvement. Closer to the best builds I've experienced, in the best dripper (the Immo). On a Trident, the juice flow in cotton bedding was revealing. I normally use singles and a good puff on the other side of the posts for juice retention. Usually a slightly higher density there to release into the actual coil wick arrangement. With JC it doesn't empty as efficiently. It stands to reason, it's not as permeable due to it's linear fiber structure so it wouldn't release as effectively either. I'm lining up the end tufts of a puff between the posts back into a small very sparse shallow bed under the wick. This seems to improve supply somewhat. Chaining hard I can empty the action zone.
I mention this to confirm the very directional nature of this media. It's powerful. And because of its retention no doubt more capable of higher wattage and so vapor production. Also of kicking up your juice budget.
No doubt Maz will love, and I'm looking forward to it. Hopefully she may post some wind values for the rest of us.
Good luck.
Something I noticed too; that kgd expresses juice to the action zone similiar to nextel.
One advantage over nextel might be it's absorbent properties. Kinda supercharging the action zone with juice between vapes.
Another may be it's ability to (like any cotton) resist the flow of air through it's fiber.The nextel apparently allows air to flow through it's strands during higher cfm pulls thereby releasing juice and allowing it to migrate into the chimney; then up the airtube and into the mouth. Just something I noticed when chaining vaping or with a dirty wick with nextel, but not so much with generic or j cotton.
Or maybe you have another theory.
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I wish someone would send me a bit of these "exotic" wicking materials. Since I have years worth of several very good cottons (in coils, not balls), and I'm a very happy camper, I'm reluctant to buy anything else (though I think I will be investing in another Provari soon). If anyone want to PIF it, PM me, I'd love to try it! If not, that's okay too. BTW, Cig, I chain vape 24/7 (sleep not withstanding). I remain curious at this point. Also, please keep in mind that I've tried many, many different mediums since 2009, and have been using cotton for the last 18 months. Good luck to all!
I'm really wanting to try that "Koh Gen Do" cotton that I see superX using recently (MICRO COILS 101 - PART 3 WICKING USING KOH GEN DO JAPANESE ORGANIC COTTON - YouTube) - it's the same thickness throughout so would be perfect to use for wick, making cotton wicks with it seems so much easier. Plus it's 1100% organic and clean, and no cotton seeds.
I missed another chance to get a ZNA from electronicstix, I'm just not sure if I can spend $300 on an APV, that's a lot. If it was $200 I'd probably jump on it.
And now I'm reallllyy eying up the new eVic-SUPEREME. It's only $160, a bunch of new features added, and it goes up to 30watts!!! Only goes from 3-6v no matter what, but it will take any coil between 0.4-5.0ohms I believe, and half the price of the ZNA.
And have you guys seen the new Aerotank V2? I haven't tried the regular aerotank or even the PT3 or an DC-kanger's for the matter, but think I might grab 1 of these. The air-holes look HUGE!!
..... I wonder how rebuilding on them would be though, it says in the description that "the atomizer heads have also been redesigned with the wicks hidden to further prevent leakage". Hmmmm
I missed another chance to get a ZNA from electronicstix, I'm just not sure if I can spend $300 on an APV, that's a lot. If it was $200 I'd probably jump on it.
And now I'm reallllyy eying up the new eVic-SUPEREME. It's only $160, a bunch of new features added, and it goes up to 30watts!!! Only goes from 3-6v no matter what, but it will take any coil between 0.4-5.0ohms I believe, and half the price of the ZNA.
And have you guys seen the new Aerotank V2? I haven't tried the regular aerotank or even the PT3 or an DC-kanger's for the matter, but think I might grab 1 of these. The air-holes look HUGE!!
..... I wonder how rebuilding on them would be though, it says in the description that "the atomizer heads have also been redesigned with the wicks hidden to further prevent leakage". Hmmmm
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Saw your reply W WTF. Damn. No frackin' way. You're like Oz here. Only you can open the curtain. It's like canceling Carson or Leno. Who the heck else can 007 report to if not "M"? Don't the crew here have a script. Crikey!
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Been vap'n on kgd all day now and must say it is a marked improvement over cotton ball wicking for chaining.
While cotton ball wicking wanes during long vapes (over 5 sec) kgd just keeps on rock'n. This no doubt attributed to kgd's unidirectional fiber orientation. Cotton ball with it's omnidirectional fibers and small nodules (pills) throughout interfere with continuous flow from the tank.
That said, it seems that cotton ball has a little more capacity to hold reserve juice while at rest. Probably because of it's fiber orientation and the little pills (nodules).
So if your vaping style is to take a short puff or three every few minutes or longer I doubt you would notice any difference. If you like to chain vape with long draws (me) then this product plain ol' kicks.
Overall vapor production and flavor are better than cotton ball wicking but I believe only because of the ability to take longer draws. YMMV
Added bonus: Wick Tuck method method works just fine.
Jury's still out on longivity but it stands to reason that the cotton ball wicking would clog faster than kgd for reasons mentioned above. Update to follow.
Maz?
Cig
Cig, i haven't used it yet, have been spending most of my vape time, messing with below par liquid and hoping to turn them into something better by mixing them
I will be recoiling some tomorrow, and waiting to use with a fresh coil. Sounds promising though !
I have a question please. For the positive post grommets, what is the advantage/disadvantage between rubber or silicon?
pardon the typos, on my phone
Silicone is a type of synthetic rubber cl. With excellent heat resistance among other desirable attributes. Natural or organic rubber has many susceptibilities which may contribute to its breakdown including oxidation. My issues with silicone have more to do with the ......ed (and I mean that like it sounds) elasticity changes they've made in Kanger's grommets which make them altogether too compressible and leads subject to dislocation. Utterly useless as a means of termination (but for one time use, except not even that). So silicone is what you want…just of the right firmness for the application.
Unless you have some very fine wheels in the turns to throw those natural rubber treads on.
Good luck.
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I'm really wanting to try that "Koh Gen Do" cotton that I see superX using recently (MICRO COILS 101 - PART 3 WICKING USING KOH GEN DO JAPANESE ORGANIC COTTON - YouTube) - it's the same thickness throughout so would be perfect to use for wick, making cotton wicks with it seems so much easier. Plus it's 1100% organic and clean, and no cotton seeds.
I missed another chance to get a ZNA from electronicstix, I'm just not sure if I can spend $300 on an APV, that's a lot. If it was $200 I'd probably jump on it.
And now I'm reallllyy eying up the new eVic-SUPEREME. It's only $160, a bunch of new features added, and it goes up to 30watts!!! Only goes from 3-6v no matter what, but it will take any coil between 0.4-5.0ohms I believe, and half the price of the ZNA.
And have you guys seen the new Aerotank V2? I haven't tried the regular aerotank or even the PT3 or an DC-kanger's for the matter, but think I might grab 1 of these. The air-holes look HUGE!!
..... I wonder how rebuilding on them would be though, it says in the description that "the atomizer heads have also been redesigned with the wicks hidden to further prevent leakage". Hmmmm
you can use pt3/aerotank 1 coils.
I'm obviously comparing both, and in a variety of devices. I may soon break down and have to revert to cotton on the KPT to ease that curiosity. I try to focus on products that are the easiest for newcomers to adopt. I haven't felt that cotton would be the answer as it's not simple for many to get the density right. With JC its possible. A lot easier to roll to a given density with its pre formatted dimensions.
I do observe so far that KGD is a lot more permeable than Nextel but still closer to Nextel in directional feed despite this. That's a plus. A better compromise of functionality. But I'm not too sure cig that Nextel is that much better either in terms of vapor production or production in general under a tight draw. I see so far that JC may slightly edge it. So yeah, it would be a theory at this point as I don't have enough build data yet.
Thank you so much for your observations.
Good luck. Taps.
Right you are P. Another option is to use an extra seal after nipping off the side walls. It's just a washer at that point and won't cling to the airtube during disassembly.
Checked the pricing for silicone tubing online. Min order quantity makes it impractical for me.
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I'm obviously comparing both, and in a variety of devices. I may soon break down and have to revert to cotton on the KPT to ease that curiosity. I try to focus on products that are the easiest for newcomers to adopt. I haven't felt that cotton would be the answer as it's not simple for many to get the density right. With JC its possible. A lot easier to roll to a given density with its pre formatted dimensions.
I do observe so far that KGD is a lot more permeable than Nextel but still closer to Nextel in directional feed despite this. That's a plus. A better compromise of functionality. But I'm not too sure cig that Nextel is that much better either in terms of vapor production or production in general under a tight draw. I see so far that JC may slightly edge it. So yeah, it would be a theory at this point as I don't have enough build data yet.
Thank you so much for your observations.
Good luck. Taps.
Haven't had probs with folks getting the right cotton density when I show them; communicating it over the phone or net is problematic.
Experimenting now with how to get the most out of the kgd pads as they are not equidensity throughout. The two outer surfaces appear to be ironed/pressed while the inner portion is fluffy.
Updates to come,
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Been vaping with the KGD for an hour now. Chain vaping, no problem. Very clean ... no cotton taste, not even the first few puffs. Most important of all, super easy to work with. I anticipate being able to duplicate the same wick every time.
2.0 mm 29g 10/9 2.0 ohms
no need for wick tuck with the amount of cotton used, just some gentle rufling of the ends. no leaking, gurgling, etc ...
2.0 mm 29g 10/9 2.0 ohms
no need for wick tuck with the amount of cotton used, just some gentle rufling of the ends. no leaking, gurgling, etc ...
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Great looking build Maz. Glad it's working so well for you.
My next move will be stepping up to 2mm. Should be able to just drill out the slot at the bottom. Would love to elliminate the need for wt method!
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I have about 20 coil assembly units, and i can fit a 2mm screwdriver in the slot of three of them. Probably not an original Kanger coil, as i purchased the coils from different sources originally and a few were given to me by a friend who does not re-build. The aerotank coil slots are the perfect size for 2 mm, tight stable fit which doesn't move so you can use both hands for grommet placement and leg termination.
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