Protank MicroCoil Discussion!!

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Is the wick not exposed, like the Aspire coils ? Do the regular pt3 coils work in the mega ? Been hearing good things about the mega, but it's not as sexy as the aerotank, for sure.

I see zero advantage for this dual-coil trend but to maximize profit by ever increasing features (prices) over products increasingly held in disrepute by the vaping public. While the new coil designs afford a great deal more potential for adept rebuilders the learning curve for users in transition becomes more difficult by orders of magnitude. So this is no entry level product. Nor is it particularly beneficial as a replacement with the same fraying silica and an exaggerated potential for catastrophic and premature failure of the same old hand winds (just more loose turns to go hot on unsuspecting new adopters and the silicone cum n-r wire to mask it).

Maz I've just become callous about the Chinese because it seems blatant at this point. That every new feature seems more to be about mitigating (obscuring) the deficiencies and deterring the rebuilding potential. I'm sure too that video reviewers determined efforts to prove otherwise do little to their balance sheets. We continue to be the guinea pigs for their products as we're most of us elated with the vape we got today encouraged by community and example, no matter how technically plausible.

I endeavor here to say that the horizons of vaping are far more rewarding than what we're being handed. And I hope there are enough of us whose natural curiosity may be enough to rescue those without the means to resist the marketing message.

Good luck to you.

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22mm is the same as a Kayfun. They use ProTank 3 dual coil heads and they can be rebuilt into single coil just as easily as the regular single coil heads.

I read on a different thread, that people didn't like the new mega coils, but that you can use the pt3/aero coils in the tank as well. Those, i have rebuilt as a single quite easily, but i had to modify my normal wicking procedure to fill the extra space, by using ciagatron's wick-tuck method. The results were quite good !

I guess the short answer is that i don't know if the mega coils can be rebuilt easily, but there is another solution, if they can't !

wow, there's an aerotank 2 out already ! If only they spent half as much time on figuring how to build a proper coil, rather than coming with new tank models every couple of months !

Ditto your statement Maz. My point exactly. Why not just make the vape better??? Really.

Regardless for my concerns about Kanger, I am very curious from the rebuilding standpoint f1ve. Looking at blueprints, I notice the "V" of the slot his widened (unclear why) to 3.0 mm from 2.80. On my copy the slot dimension is not spec'd. Has the actual slot width widened as well to say 2.00 mm from 1.8 mm? That would enable a substantial benefit to larger wicking. I haven't had the chance to ask to mic one of these yet at a B&M.

Let us know what you gotz f1ve. Thanks.

Good luck.

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I see zero advantage for this dual-coil trend but to maximize profit by ever increasing features (prices) over products increasingly held in disrepute by the vaping public. While the new coil designs afford a great deal more potential for adept rebuilders the learning curve for users in transition becomes more difficult by orders of magnitude. So this is no entry level product. Nor is it particularly beneficial as a replacement with the same fraying silica and an exaggerated potential for catastrophic and premature failure of the same old hand winds (just more loose turns to go hot on unsuspecting new adopters and the silicone cum n-r wire to mask it).

Maz I've just become callous about the Chinese because it seems blatant at this point. That every new feature seems more to be about mitigating (obscuring) the deficiencies and deterring the rebuilding potential. I'm sure too that video reviewers determined efforts to prove otherwise do little to their balance sheets. We continue to be the guinea pigs for their products as we're most of us elated with the vape we got today encouraged by community and example, no matter how technically plausible.

I endeavor here to say that the horizons of vaping are far more rewarding than what we're being handed. And I hope there are enough of us whose natural curiosity may be enough to rescue those without the means to resist the marketing message.

Good luck to you.

:)

Mac, like it or not, the vast majority of clearo users do not rebuild their coils, nor would they have the inclination to do so, even if they were taught. Innokin and Aspire have gone out of their way to make sure that the coils can not be rebuilt. Kanger, not as much, which benefits us really. I just think if they spent time working on machines that can build proper microcoils to be used in their products, it is time better spent than designing newer and newer tanks.
 

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Ditto your statement Maz. My point exactly. Why not just make the vape better??? Really.

Regardless for my concerns about Kanger, I am very curious from the rebuilding standpoint f1ve. Looking at blueprints, I notice the "V" of the slot his widened (unclear why) to 3.0 mm from 2.80. On my copy that dimension is not spec'd. Has the actual slot width widened as well to say 2.00 mm from 1.8 mm? That would enable a substantial benefit to larger wicking. I haven't had the chance to ask to mic one of these yet at a B&M.

Let us know what you gotz f1ve. Thanks.

Good luck.

:)

Mac, i can fit a 2mm screwdriver in the aerotank slot, although it involves a little pressure, with the added benefit of more stability when working on leg termination.
 
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I see zero advantage for this dual-coil trend but to maximize profit by ever increasing features (prices) over products increasingly held in disrepute by the vaping public. While the new coil designs afford a great deal more potential for adept rebuilders the learning curve for users in transition becomes more difficult by orders of magnitude. So this is no entry level product. Nor is it particularly beneficial as a replacement with the same fraying silica and an exaggerated potential for catastrophic and premature failure of the same old hand winds (just more loose turns to go hot on unsuspecting new adopters and the silicone cum n-r wire to mask it).

Maz I've just become callous about the Chinese because it seems blatant at this point. That every new feature seems more to be about mitigating (obscuring) the deficiencies and deterring the rebuilding potential. I'm sure too that video reviewers determined efforts to prove otherwise do little to their balance sheets. We continue to be the guinea pigs for their products as we're most of us elated with the vape we got today encouraged by community and example, no matter how technically plausible.

I endeavor here to say that the horizons of vaping are far more rewarding than what we're being handed. And I hope there are enough of us whose natural curiosity may be enough to rescue those without the means to resist the marketing message.

Good luck to you.

:)



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Mac, like it or not, the vast majority of clearo users do not rebuild their coils, nor would they have the inclination to do so, even if they were taught.

I agree with that. Even less so if made more inconvenient, and they would be presumably justified.

Innokin and Aspire have gone out of their way to make sure that the coils can not be rebuilt. Kanger, not as much, which benefits us really. I just think if they spent time working on machines that can build proper microcoils to be used in their products, it is time better spent than designing newer and newer tanks.

I agree with that and why the product is accordingly disproportionately expensive. My incredulity began, why I am here, with the amazement that an industry managed to engage an entire vaping public, otherwise extensively savvy with regard to technology, with an approach to vaporization so archaic that it was rejected for its inefficiency at the dawn of electronics.

If the larger share of those predisposed to such products could discard their suspension of disbelief about this reality, perhaps they might reconsider more beneficial alternatives. No one better suited to their education than those who have already succeeded.

I love the Kanger line for its design (given the 510 limitations). They've been a fairly responsible company by the standards I refer to. But I'm not a fan. I'm here for the vapers, not the product. Because better is possible. And I wish more knew that.

Good luck all.

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Mac, i can fit a 2mm screwdriver in the aerotank slot, although it involves a little pressure, with the added benefit of more stability when working on leg termination.

Thanks maz. My emphasis his shifted to a broader sphere than clearo's in recent months. And frankly I can't envision justifying the fiddly to rework a D/C Kanker when so many authentic options are out there of far better value. I understand f1ve and many others who move on. I believe there may always be a place for a consumer tank for the reasons you cited.

That said, this thread needs to move on too. And I can only encourage you all to make the effort. Had I not recently had occasion to review some line drawings it wouldn't have occurred to me to look. A bump to 2 mm makes a larger wick extremely attractive for a tank of this size. Potentially Nextel, certainly cotton and Eko. So I have to acknowledge too that there might be advanced users who might enjoy products like the Mega, as I enjoy the Protank along with the many fine originals I own.

Any news on the Mega coils would be helpful. I opted for Aero bases for my PT2's and they work great.

Solutions welcome here! Have at it.

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The new aerotank coils are the same basic design as the ProTank 3 coils, the major difference is the chimney has a sleeve with a couple of holes on each side that are supposed to line up with the wicks which are now hidden under this sleeve (like the nautilus coils).

The coils are not like the nautilus counterpart, only the hidden wicks are similar. I think this is a bit of design improvement since these airholes provide more stable air intake (speculation).
 

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I agree with that. Even less so if made more inconvenient, and they would be presumably justified.



I agree with that and why the product is accordingly disproportionately expensive. My incredulity began, why I am here, with the amazement that an industry managed to engage an entire vaping public, otherwise extensively savvy with regard to technology, with an approach to vaporization so archaic that it was rejected for its inefficiency at the dawn of electronics.

If the larger share of those predisposed to such products could discard their suspension of disbelief about this reality, perhaps they might reconsider more beneficial alternatives. No one better suited to their education than those who have already succeeded.

I love the Kanger line for its design (given the 510 limitations). They've been a fairly responsible company by the standards I refer to. But I'm not a fan. I'm here for the vapers, not the product. Because better is possible. And I wish more knew that.

Good luck all.

:)

New vapers, coming off analogs, would have a much better chance of sticking with it, if the experience was hassle free, similar to lighting up a cigarette. I have friends who think even filling a tank with liquid is too much of a hassle, let alone having to deal with leaking, gurgling, dry hits, burnt coils, etc ... That is why cigalikes are the vehicle of choice for beginner vapers. Once they realize that the experience is not satisfying, some move to pv's, others back to cigarettes completely or partially ( augment their cigalike use with real cigarettes ).

My recommendation to new vapers is usually an ego twist with a cheap $ 3 iClear 16, which i have found to be the most reliable, consistent clearo i have ever used. The flavor is muted , for sure, but that is not the greatest concern to people who have just quit. I

I was using cigalikes to cut down on the number of cigarettes i was using at first. Once i decided to quit completely i moved to ane ego twist with a vivi nova, and then evod, pt1 and so on. I was flabbergasted with the number of bad coils i was getting and all the leaking, gurglng, dry hits etc .... I credit the iClear 16 for making me stick with vaping. I was thisclose to moving back to cigarettes !

I like the kanger design as well, but the quality control and reliability of innokin coils are far far superior to kanger stocks, and there's something to be said for that as well, even though as you put it they employ archaic and inefficient methods of coiling.
 

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If someone can't be bothered to even fill a tank then apparently they aren't really trying to quit smoking. To people who say it's too much trouble I say keep smoking until your truly ready to use an alternative.

I guess it's too much trouble to charge batteries as well. It isn't however too much trouble to get out at 11:30 and drive 4 miles in the rain to the store to purchase cigarettes when you run out.

I'm all about helping those willing to help themselves...I'm not wasting time on the rest.
 
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I guess I'm lucky, around here most people are poorer than dirt and willing to accept the added hassle of vaping when informed of the cost benefit. Not so much for health reasons.
Still I never recommend cigalikes because they suck...and suck...and.....in all probability they would compliment vaping with stinkies or abandon it all together.
Had a great deal of trouble with V2 equipment failure and performance issues.
With the help of you all here at ecf making converts has been a breeze even when they understand that modifications to the equipment upon arrival is a necessary evil to achieve optimal performance.
Vaping has gone viral within my family and friends of friends around here in the last couple of months and can be soley attributed to information found here on ecf. As far as they are concerned I'm the goto guy for answers to all their vaping concerns. I don't mind spending the extra time with them as I enjoy hearing of their diminishing health concerns and cloudy vapes. :vapor:

Thanks to everyone here! :)

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Or to stand out in the rain, snow, cold, heat to have their combustible. And have people look at them like they have cooties or are just plain stupid (no offense meant to anyone, I was one of those cootie people until about 18 months ago)

pardon the typos, on my phone :)

Around 1998, standing out the back door at work, ~40 degrees and drizzle, SoCal winter, freezing my .... off. Wondering why I do this and why can't I quit.
 

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Now that we have become good at making PT2 coils, is it possible to maybe use a piece of silicon tubing to make a thick gasket to put on pt2 heads to use in place of the pt3/aerotank heads?

Hey P, lot of folks place a spare seal (upside down) on top of the existing seal to take up the extra space. The cup in the extra seal should slip over the airtube. Your idea would work too.
Caution: the extra seal is easy to forget about; even easier to wash down the drain. BTDT

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I guess I'm lucky, around here most people are poorer than dirt and willing to accept the added hassle of vaping when informed of the cost benefit. Not so much for health reasons.
Still I never recommend cigalikes because they suck...and suck...and.....in all probability they would compliment vaping with stinkies or abandon it all together.
Had a great deal of trouble with V2 equipment failure and performance issues.
With the help of you all here at ecf making converts has been a breeze even when they understand that modifications to the equipment upon arrival is a necessary evil to achieve optimal performance.
Vaping has gone viral within my family and friends of friends around here in the last couple of months and can be soley attributed to information found here on ecf. As far as they are concerned I'm the goto guy for answers to all their vaping concerns. I don't mind spending the extra time with them as I enjoy hearing of their diminishing health concerns and cloudy vapes. :vapor:

Thanks to everyone here!


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Keep on proselytizing ! Vape guru of Clinton, AR :)
 
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