Provape 'boxmod'
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I've been saying it for 2 years ... Provapes refusal to meet the demand of the market will slowly erode its market share and perception. Becoming a "niche" product in THIS industry is not a smart business move IMHO.
I find it sad because I respect Provape and what they stand for. Their chip also happens to be the most accurate chip to date. I'd be using a P3 at this very moment had they given me at least 30 watts. (25-35 watts is my personal range).
Who knows, maybe their next release will make many of us extremely happy. I'd LOVE to see them get into the temp control game because based on their track record ... I don't think anyone would be able to do it better. As someone mentioned before, if they had a 30-50 watt device out right now, perhaps in box form ... they'd probably be producing the most sought after device on the market right now. That chip of theirs just makes me wanna scream 'MERICA!. ;-)
I find it sad because I respect Provape and what they stand for. Their chip also happens to be the most accurate chip to date. I'd be using a P3 at this very moment had they given me at least 30 watts. (25-35 watts is my personal range).
Who knows, maybe their next release will make many of us extremely happy. I'd LOVE to see them get into the temp control game because based on their track record ... I don't think anyone would be able to do it better. As someone mentioned before, if they had a 30-50 watt device out right now, perhaps in box form ... they'd probably be producing the most sought after device on the market right now. That chip of theirs just makes me wanna scream 'MERICA!. ;-)
Odd, they can't even make enough of their most expensive mode to keep up with demand- P3 Titanium...
ProVari 3 (P3) - Titanium
ProVari 3 (P3) - Titanium
The question is ... what is the overall demand compared to 3 years ago. Obviously it's more (last time I heard, they were selling pretty well internationally as well) however when compared to increase in market volume ... my guess is it's less.
I mean ... Joe Blow can make mods in his garage 50 at a time and not meet demand. That doesn't mean he's gaining any significant market share in the overall market.
Granted, Provape is going to lose market share regardless due to the saturation of the market. What they DON'T want however is the perception that they are "behind the times" in fulfilling customer needs, especially when there are so many options out there. There are plenty of people out there that recognize the reliability and great quality of Provape yet look else where to make their purchase. Not because of price or bias, but rather the lack of personal vaping flexibility in their product.
IMHO that's a huge hurdle to overcome if you want to stay relevant in this fast moving industry. Imagine a car company who decided to produce nothing but manual transmission vehicles. They could be the most well built and reliable vehicles on the planet, and SOME people would love and be loyal to them for it. However their market share would most certainly decline.
High power vapers aren't the norm in the vaping world; just on internet vaping forums...
B&M owners might disagree. For better or for worse .... the demand for higher wattage is there. China wouldn't be pumping them out like they are if there wasn't, as their only goal is to meet demand for profit.
Obviously the overall market share is dominated by ciga-like/ego style ecigs. But when it comes to APVs ... 30+ watt devices are what is hot and selling.
From what I have seen, most B&Ms are a bit of a joke- just Fastech and Alibaba re-sellers. A buddy of mine at work just started vaping and brought in a gaudy box mod, no name, had 2 batteries with no markings on them, and a flashlight on the bottom. He was told by the B&M he bought if from it goes from 3-6 ohms...
I think high powered, $50 box mods is a fad- just like smokestacks on diesel trucks...
ProVape isn't going to change one of their core foundations- safety, for a small increase in sales...
You have a point, but I do think quality is a niche that will always be relevant in any market or product. Many companies aggressively expand, losing their identity, ending up just putting their names on product not based on their principles. I want a Provape box as much as anyone, but they will still be a niche brand. A Provape 50 watt box, for example, would most likely retail right under 3 bills. Many would be satisfied, but most would most likely say "I can get xyz 100 watt boxes for 49.99". B&Ms would feel the same, and probably get more margin on the less expensive and easier to sell inferior xyz China box.
Box mods might be a fad (everything is cyclical), but higher wattage vaping is going no where.
As far as safety. If Provape can't produce a chip that safely outputs mid-high wattage safely then their group of engineers aren't as great as many of us believe. I could see making this comment if battery technology was incapable of the power output we're talking about but that simply isn't the case. The technology is there and has been been around for years. Literally ... years.
As it stands now ... people can get a warmer and more intense vaping experience out of a $50 JOYETECH product than a $250 product that was once considered "cutting edge". That doesn't bode well for Provape when it comes to growing their customer base IMHO ....
What if the FDA limits mods to 20 watts?
Those same vapers would never pay $300 for a ProVari box mod.
I think there are still many of us who vape not to smoke- those people are ProVapes core customers...
I'm not going to dig into "what ifs" ... that's pointless for debate.
I think most people are vaping to not smoke. That doesn't mean there is some imaginary watt limit that implies people are vaping for any other reason. Just because you may be satisfied with 10 watts, doesn't mean the next person will be too. It's no different than nicotine levels.
If Provape wants to take that stand ... that's fine. But again, the overall market will eventually leave them behind. For the same reasons no one is driving around in a car with 25 HP.
More horsepower gives you more options. More wattage gives you more options.
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The market all ready has, it's on a treadmill of higher watts and cheaper cost....a tread mill no will be able to get off of. I still want a Provape box, with Provape quality and realistic watts.
You don't have $millions invested in a mod company- ProVape does. There's also the question concerning safety of high powered vaping. Perhaps Dr. F will shed some light on this when his new study is complete...
Cigalikes now produce more throat hit and vapor than do cigarettes.
The vast majority of people don't drive muscle cars...
We shall see. If their next device meets my needs, I'll be one of the first in line to buy. I WANT Provape to have my money in show of support for who and what they do. I'm just not willing to sacrifice my personal vaping experience preference in order to do so. If I'm going to spend $200+ on a device, it's going to be something I use and not just sit on a shelf to make myself feel somehow privileged to own one.
It doesn't matter if I have a dime invested into a company. It's not hard to see the trends of ANY particular market. Companies who ignore market trends tend to suffer for doing so. See Apple in the 90s ....
Dr. F's study isn't covering high powered vaping. I believe he stated in his interview with Busardo that they will be mainly looking at 15 watts and under.
However, the potential of risks in that area are even more reasons why Provape is at risk. If studies come down that show temperatures are too high and producing significant byproducts, companies like Evolv and YiHi will have already introduced technologies to combat this ... pushing Provape further into irrelevance within the market as a whole.
Cigalikes may produce more throat hit and vapor than cigarettes but for many (perhaps even the overwhelming majority) they do not keep people OFF cigarettes.
If cigalikes were all it takes, people would use them and not go back to smoking. They wouldn't buy Provaris or any other devices. From my experience however, certain people require certain satisfactions from their vape. Some people just need the nicotine. Some people need the oral simulation. Some need the warming sensation of a combustible product. Some need a smoke to lungs sensation. Everyone is slightly different.
And that is why there is no right or wrong way to vape. What I do know is that the MORE of those needs you can accommodate in your product, the wider the appeal will be. And the wider the appeal, the more product you will sell.
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How is Apple doing now? I still read how IPhones are behind the times and how iMacs and iPads are overpriced, limited in technology.... You really think P3 won't have temp. control, and a version which actually works well?
Odd how so many were able to quit when all that was available were cigalikes, eGos, cartos and clearos...
Apple is the epitome of doing there own thing, much like Provape. Every company has losers, as did they, but people will stand in line for the next IPhone 7, even if the only thing they change from the 6 is a button. They have a following, they do their thing and do it well. Provape has a mad dash when they release a new color, it's a big deal to the loyalists. Porsche 911, iconic car still being designed on a platform that def has its limitations as far as balance and handling. Point is, we can both go on ad nasuem with examples of winners and losers. One thing remains constant though, quality and brand recognition will never go out of style, and will always be relevant.
Evolve has a black eye, their quality is suspect. Provape is working on TC, they have stated this. P3 devices will be able to accept the changes, it's all ready built in to accept it. Provape will not rush market until it's reliable, nor will they copy another's chip and make their modifications to it and call it theirs.
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