Provari - A review for noobs by a noob
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My personal experience, Provari 1 Honda 0. I had to brake very fast one night and the Provari slammed into the dash, leaving an ugly dent in the Honda's dash, the Provari didn't get so much as a scratch.
I appreciate your review as I am looking for a built-like-a-brick-poop-house device. Currently, aside from my beginner Ego batteries, I have a MVPv2, X6, and a V3 mech mod. My wife uses a iTaste vv3 and has no interest in devices like I do. I've watched plenty of Provari vs Xyzpdq videos. Generally Provari wins, sometimes it doesn't.
My main issue is cost effectiveness. Roughly speaking, I can get four MVPv2's for the price of a Provari. Five MVPv2's if you include extensions, tanks, and special batteries.
Sure, the Provari will last me 2+ years, but do I really want an electronic device that lasts that long? Look at e-cig advances within the past 2 years. What advances are in store for us in the next 2 years? Will Provari introduce something new and uber advanced within a few months after I slap down two-hundred plus dollars?
I'm still on the fence.
My main issue is cost effectiveness. Roughly speaking, I can get four MVPv2's for the price of a Provari. Five MVPv2's if you include extensions, tanks, and special batteries.
Sure, the Provari will last me 2+ years, but do I really want an electronic device that lasts that long? Look at e-cig advances within the past 2 years. What advances are in store for us in the next 2 years? Will Provari introduce something new and uber advanced within a few months after I slap down two-hundred plus dollars?
I'm still on the fence.
I hear ya KnurledNut. I've bought a few inexpensive VV devices. They have served me well but from my experience and reading about other people's experiences I consider all these devices throw away PVs because there is no way to get them fixed when they break. And they are not tough. I switched to mechanical mods before I got a Provari so I have my own solution which works for me. I also live in Canada, so shipping to the US and back for warranty work is an issue for me. But if I still used regulated devices as my main vape I would probably own a Provari or two now.
Good points. It's really up to you. It's a personal decision that we make every time we buy something.
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cost effectiveness for me boiled down to....... i should have gotten the provari on the get go... i probably didn't have to spend so much trying new things here and there.... learned my lesson the hard way i should have went for quality instead of quantity like my old folks always say ........ to feel better i paid it forward and gifted my previous set ups to family and friends atleast i know it's being used to get them off cigs...
i kinda look at the provari this way, it's a power tool that helps me get off cigs... after breaking my evic and numerous soldering i concluded if i'm gonna be vaping for a long time i want something tough as nails... much like my black and decker compared to my milwaukee/makita power tools when it comes to longevity and consistency of performance... i simply put a dollar here 5 dollar there even quarters lol in a box kept in the trunk of my car= next thing i know i have enough to get the provari i always wanted and drove to my local vape store and supported the shop=) i think the search for the juice is more problematic for me...
i kinda look at the provari this way, it's a power tool that helps me get off cigs... after breaking my evic and numerous soldering i concluded if i'm gonna be vaping for a long time i want something tough as nails... much like my black and decker compared to my milwaukee/makita power tools when it comes to longevity and consistency of performance... i simply put a dollar here 5 dollar there even quarters lol in a box kept in the trunk of my car= next thing i know i have enough to get the provari i always wanted and drove to my local vape store and supported the shop=) i think the search for the juice is more problematic for me...
What non Provari owners do not understand is that the vape on a Provari is better than the vape on the China Mods. But don't they both just provide heat to atomize the juice? Yes, but the Provari's smooth delivery of that heat provides a better vape. Believe me, if it didn't no one would be spending hundreds of dollars on their Provari. You have to see it believe it. I was just as surprised as the other Provari owners to discover this, and once you find a better vape, if you chase the vape, you won't use anything else, unless it's as good or better.
IMHO!
I spent hundreds of pounds in my first few months trying ecigs from the stupid (!) little things that gave no smoke to serious mods. Most broke. I bought my Provari and have not looked back. I am not sure whether it gives a better vape - personally I think it's a battery - and works as well in that way as any other (the cart is the most important part in terms of vape IMHO).
BUT I love **** LOVE **** my Provari because it NEVER lets me down. It is so basic in its menus. no oled display, just simple - it makes me think of Apple versus Android! But is always works, is unbreakable. What I did not realise is that the more difficult question is not whether to get a Provari - but what to put with it. If you put CE type things on it you just have exactly the same problems of burning etc. Even with a Provari you are are still tied to the madness of Chinese manufacturing for the carts etc unless you can build your own (and I am not that bright or patient). I use the prive mod because it has a little screw to make refilling easy - and bogue or SMOK carts (expecting 75% to work out of the box!)
So, after all this blabbering, I recommend Provari because if the point is to give up smoking and remove the stress from doing it, this just works - but it would really have helped me to have a friend to hold my hand over the last 6 months to explain and demonstrate how all this stuff works. I am a techy and it confused me. Those cig-a-look-alikes almost sent me back to cigarettes until I read some forums explaining that they did not work and the China-mods just kept breaking or not working out of the box - again almost putting me back on the horrors. I'll shut up now
I spent hundreds of pounds in my first few months trying ecigs from the stupid (!) little things that gave no smoke to serious mods. Most broke. I bought my Provari and have not looked back. I am not sure whether it gives a better vape - personally I think it's a battery - and works as well in that way as any other (the cart is the most important part in terms of vape IMHO).
BUT I love **** LOVE **** my Provari because it NEVER lets me down. It is so basic in its menus. no oled display, just simple - it makes me think of Apple versus Android! But is always works, is unbreakable. What I did not realise is that the more difficult question is not whether to get a Provari - but what to put with it. If you put CE type things on it you just have exactly the same problems of burning etc. Even with a Provari you are are still tied to the madness of Chinese manufacturing for the carts etc unless you can build your own (and I am not that bright or patient). I use the prive mod because it has a little screw to make refilling easy - and bogue or SMOK carts (expecting 75% to work out of the box!)
So, after all this blabbering, I recommend Provari because if the point is to give up smoking and remove the stress from doing it, this just works - but it would really have helped me to have a friend to hold my hand over the last 6 months to explain and demonstrate how all this stuff works. I am a techy and it confused me. Those cig-a-look-alikes almost sent me back to cigarettes until I read some forums explaining that they did not work and the China-mods just kept breaking or not working out of the box - again almost putting me back on the horrors. I'll shut up now
I should be balanced and say that I found one mod that was reliable and well made - the Z-max mini. I have two of the non-oled version. I personally ended up not using them because with the Provari you do not need anything else and because they are stainless they do not feel as nice in the hand (my Provari is purple/painted) If budget is an issue these did work for me. I think they fall somewhere in the middle of the pricing bandings. I cannot speak of the quality of the later minis with oled dsplay - I heard that on other mods using the same dislay they were wonky - but Zmax seems to treat the mini as its flagship and QC is higher on them. So if budget is an issue then I can recommend this (jyst make sure you order the extension tube with it)
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I had been vaping for a long time; drawers full of VV, VW, and mech mods. The first time I saw and held a Provari I ordered one. First time I used it I knew what I had and I would never part with it.
I agree and see your point of view, in fact I had many of these same issues before I got one. After owning one the concerns are gone. The provari will last many many years. If anything ever needs repairs ( the button or PCM board) Provape does it for minimal $$.
As far as advances it has been the "Cadillac" if you will of APV's since it came out. And I don't think you can improve on the delivery of the vapor. We all know the guy who never buys a new car because every year he waits for the bigger better deal.
Well, it seems that you can't truly appreciate a Provari until you have actually owned and used one, as so many have testified in just this thread alone. That is, unless you are willing to continue to purchase cheaper replacements for the cheaper mods you have owned that went dead or broke.
I relate a Provari to the power tools that construction workers use on their jobs. They use expensive, dependable tools day-in and day-out because their jobs and their lives depend upon dependable, consistant, & durable tools. The Provari is built the same way.
The Provari may not be for everyone. If you fall for the "bells & whistles" of other mods, ie puff counters, vW, hook-ups to your computer, etc then it is not for you. But if looking for a dependable, consistant, durable, and repairable mod that "just works" everytime then a Provari is what you are looking for. There's something to be said about dropping your mod onto a tile floor and worrying more about the floor than your mod. Provape has always offered inexpensive updates for the Provari when available (ie version 1 to version 2). I think its fair to say that the majority of Provari owners are just fine with their current Provari just as it is now.
I relate a Provari to the power tools that construction workers use on their jobs. They use expensive, dependable tools day-in and day-out because their jobs and their lives depend upon dependable, consistant, & durable tools. The Provari is built the same way.
The Provari may not be for everyone. If you fall for the "bells & whistles" of other mods, ie puff counters, vW, hook-ups to your computer, etc then it is not for you. But if looking for a dependable, consistant, durable, and repairable mod that "just works" everytime then a Provari is what you are looking for. There's something to be said about dropping your mod onto a tile floor and worrying more about the floor than your mod. Provape has always offered inexpensive updates for the Provari when available (ie version 1 to version 2). I think its fair to say that the majority of Provari owners are just fine with their current Provari just as it is now.
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I hate the fact that in Europe the authorized ProVape distributors charge you 200+ euros (shipping not included) for a provari. This is the cheapest, there are local vendors (from my home country) that sell a provari mini for 215 euros! That's a good 100+$ more than it costs in USA.
Wouldn't one get same results from very good mechanical mod (like the Nemesis - 130 eur) and a Kick 2 (40 eur)?
(Not that I am not very content with my Evic, but I will not buy anything from a company that has a price fixing policy, I'd rather support small enterprises that produce quality stuff)
Wouldn't one get same results from very good mechanical mod (like the Nemesis - 130 eur) and a Kick 2 (40 eur)?
(Not that I am not very content with my Evic, but I will not buy anything from a company that has a price fixing policy, I'd rather support small enterprises that produce quality stuff)
Well, I don't see how you can blame the cost of international shipping on Provape. That's really the issue isn't it? Provape is a small company with only one faciltiy in Monroe, Washington, USA. Sucks that international customers have to pay more, but blaming Provape for this is redundant and moot.
You could get similar results with a mechanical mod and a Kick, I guess. Realize you won't get a built-in ohm meter and volt meter. You won't have an LED screen to give you information feedback. You won't be able to change power on the fly; each time you change settings the mechanical has to be taken apart to get to the Kick, and a screwdriver used to adjust the setting on the Kick. The Kick itself is a very fragile open-faced circuit board that won't take much punishment or abuse, so its durability is questionable. Yup, that's a real good substitute.
Let's add up the costs: Mechanical mod (130), a couple of Kicks realistically figuring one will last 4 - 5 months (40 x2), voltmeter (?), ohm meter (?) = $210 plus the costs for the meters. This approach could very easily end up costing more than just paying for a Provari.
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I didn't blame Provape, I blame their authorized distributors, big difference there.
You can get a Nemesis (produced in EU) from US with 134 EUR, while it costs 130 EUR in Europe. Odd, isn't it?
Let's not blame the prices on shipping.
Nice review 
the provari is my fav mod, the reasons being pretty much being exhaustively explained
by the other posters.
I would like to stress 2 things though:
-tactility: For me it is incredibly important how the mod feels like... being in your hand, pressing the button, operating and maintaining it.
This tactility is also what mainly attracts me to mechanical mods.
The Provari is my favorite though in this department. Build quality is even superior to my Silver Bullet or Nemesis. I also do prefer the feel of the Provari Button to these two. The ceracote finish combined with the groves make for a really comfortable grip... my fav again.
-superior function: 2 things that i find important: Accuracy and constancy of the delivered current.
If you watch pbusardo reviews of other vv/vw mods and compare the graphs and outputsignals to that
of the provari, very few come close. Cosntancy: The bulk will have a pulse-width modulated output,
which with certain atomizers/cartomizers results in the infamous rattlesnake-vape. It's just not as smooth.
Accuracy: The bulk will either fire to high or too low... only be accurate with atomizers with a certain resistance,not deliver the promised power etc... The two other chipsets that -afaik- come close are... the Nivel (however it is not as powerful as the provari) and the DNA20 (however its minimum power-setting is too high for many people... its usable wattage rate starts... at least according to pbusardo... at 8 watts...). Again... afaik. The DNA 20 is good for people that want more power... it's on my wishlist.
I happen to have a Nemesis with a kick2. Yes... performance wise i would say it is on par with my Provari.
I like the feel and operation of my Provari better though. The nemesis WITHOUT a kick is a whole other animal though. Combined with a RDA and the right low-ohm coils it is my cloud-chasing setup. But that's only something i do on occasion as a fun thing... For everyday use it's waaaay too much for me.
the provari is my fav mod, the reasons being pretty much being exhaustively explained
by the other posters.
I would like to stress 2 things though:
-tactility: For me it is incredibly important how the mod feels like... being in your hand, pressing the button, operating and maintaining it.
This tactility is also what mainly attracts me to mechanical mods.
The Provari is my favorite though in this department. Build quality is even superior to my Silver Bullet or Nemesis. I also do prefer the feel of the Provari Button to these two. The ceracote finish combined with the groves make for a really comfortable grip... my fav again.
-superior function: 2 things that i find important: Accuracy and constancy of the delivered current.
If you watch pbusardo reviews of other vv/vw mods and compare the graphs and outputsignals to that
of the provari, very few come close. Cosntancy: The bulk will have a pulse-width modulated output,
which with certain atomizers/cartomizers results in the infamous rattlesnake-vape. It's just not as smooth.
Accuracy: The bulk will either fire to high or too low... only be accurate with atomizers with a certain resistance,not deliver the promised power etc... The two other chipsets that -afaik- come close are... the Nivel (however it is not as powerful as the provari) and the DNA20 (however its minimum power-setting is too high for many people... its usable wattage rate starts... at least according to pbusardo... at 8 watts...). Again... afaik. The DNA 20 is good for people that want more power... it's on my wishlist.
I happen to have a Nemesis with a kick2. Yes... performance wise i would say it is on par with my Provari.
I like the feel and operation of my Provari better though. The nemesis WITHOUT a kick is a whole other animal though. Combined with a RDA and the right low-ohm coils it is my cloud-chasing setup. But that's only something i do on occasion as a fun thing... For everyday use it's waaaay too much for me.
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Buying my Provari saved me a bundle, I missed out on the spend for all the trial and error devices that end up in the drawer or the trash or as desk ornaments.
After a couple of weeks with an Inferno and 2cartotanks ( to me, the best device out there because it worked to get me off cigs after 55yrs smoking, unlike all the other methods I had tried) I ordered my Provari from Provape.
I was happy to pay French customs duties at 15Euros but was a bit ticked they charged me 21Euros extra for raising the paperwork to charge me 15Euros but hey, that's bureaucracy for you !
It was everything I expected and more than I hoped for, as an ex-techie I like things that are functional and well-made.
I too would thoroughly recommend it to newbies once they are certain that vaping really is for them and I consider it money well spent, an investment in my health and pleasure.
DaveD
p.s as far as pricing goes, 'twas always so. 100dollars in US = 100pounds in UK and 100Euros in rest of Europe regardless of exchange rates; the cost of being in business is so much greater in Europe than in USA.
After a couple of weeks with an Inferno and 2cartotanks ( to me, the best device out there because it worked to get me off cigs after 55yrs smoking, unlike all the other methods I had tried) I ordered my Provari from Provape.
I was happy to pay French customs duties at 15Euros but was a bit ticked they charged me 21Euros extra for raising the paperwork to charge me 15Euros but hey, that's bureaucracy for you !
It was everything I expected and more than I hoped for, as an ex-techie I like things that are functional and well-made.
I too would thoroughly recommend it to newbies once they are certain that vaping really is for them and I consider it money well spent, an investment in my health and pleasure.
DaveD
p.s as far as pricing goes, 'twas always so. 100dollars in US = 100pounds in UK and 100Euros in rest of Europe regardless of exchange rates; the cost of being in business is so much greater in Europe than in USA.
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Then you say:
I don't see how these two posts are consistent.
ProVape is a small business which makes the highest quality mod I have ever heard of. If you don't like the "price fixing policy" (very inaccurate term for what you are talking about), then don't get one. OR, if you truly want a ProVari, just get someone in the states to buy it and ship it to you. I bet the insured shipping is still gonna be 60 bucks or so. If you want a nemesis with a kick, great. It is not the equal to a ProVari.
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Sorry, English is not my native language, but what I am trying to say is the following:
1. About the price fixing: Evic it's made by Joyetech who will ban any seller that will sell their product cheaper than a price they set aka a fixed price (that's what I meant about price fixing, apparently that has another meaning altogether, sorry for that).
2. About ProVape. They have nothing to do with it. Let's say if I have a company, and contact them that I want to sell their product in another country. I will tell them that I want to buy 50 pieces and they will make me a distributor offer (lower than the end user price). Then, when I get the stuff (automatically now I become an authorized distributor or reseller or whatever you want to call it), I will my expenses to the producer price, then a commission for myself. Obviously the commission EU resellers add to the Provari is huge.
I don't see where I am not consistent. I don't see where I said ProVape fixes prices also. Don't know why you guys get all defensive when Provari is mentioned Relax
1. About the price fixing: Evic it's made by Joyetech who will ban any seller that will sell their product cheaper than a price they set aka a fixed price (that's what I meant about price fixing, apparently that has another meaning altogether, sorry for that).
2. About ProVape. They have nothing to do with it. Let's say if I have a company, and contact them that I want to sell their product in another country. I will tell them that I want to buy 50 pieces and they will make me a distributor offer (lower than the end user price). Then, when I get the stuff (automatically now I become an authorized distributor or reseller or whatever you want to call it), I will my expenses to the producer price, then a commission for myself. Obviously the commission EU resellers add to the Provari is huge.
I don't see where I am not consistent. I don't see where I said ProVape fixes prices also. Don't know why you guys get all defensive when Provari is mentioned
Relax
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