Provari and Variable Wattage.
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Not soon enough. I gave up and have a ZMax in the mail. Would have gone Provari if they had offered VW.
Galen
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Some-one on another thread did email provape. The answer was something like they could consider it but not planning on VW soonish.
Not a good business model in my book. Maybe they should ask RIM how that whole Blackberry thing is going for them.
Galen
Galen
Indeed. The precious Provari is going to be extinct soon with that market plan. It is as I predicted.
In the MEANTIME, you can wait in line for a Texas Select Vapor "Stallion" which is a VV/VW (!) device with a 22650 Lithium Manganese (HUGE) battery (and it comes with 2 and a charger). It's made in America, MSRP is $175 and it kicks ..... I believe it also has the DNA12 chip in it which is the same technology that the Darwin uses. That's why they sold out so fast (a Darwin is even harder to get, ugly, and goes for $250 before batteries and a charger). VW is the way of the future, VV is the way of the past. Why do maths or reference a table or chart when you can simply plug and play? No one wants to learn Ohm's Law. I only did it for funsies.
You can sign up on the waiting list here:
The Stallion - Advanced Personal Vaporizer - Mod - APV | Texas Select Vapor
and if you want to drool over what it was before the new modifications you can do so here:
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The Zmax has issues of output inaccuracy, and durability. If you look inside one the circuitboard is what your batteries connect to. A simple vertical drop, squeezing too big of a size of batteries in there without the proper endcap and the thing starts acting weird on you. That's too fragile for my taste. There are fresh vids of this problem posted on my blog (link's in the signature - go there and click the Handbook link at the top). I'd say pass on the Zmax for now (which is in its second version already and it barely got released). Now it has an 8th menu screen for RMS; Root Mean Square (PWM - Pulse Width Modulation) adjustment which really apparently doesn't help the accuracy issue. Highly technical stuff I'm saying, but the end result is a substandard product that's (IMO) not ready for market, as is often the case (but not always), with China.
If you just want to get in the door for cheap, and you can get past the formfactor of a box mod, I'd recommend a Smoktech VV Gripper. At ~$60 a pop (sometimes $55 go with Vaporbeast and tell Tim Campbell that Shoga sent you. You'll probably get a free gift and all orders are free shipping) you really can't go wrong. They're durable and they do everything a Provari can for a fraction of the price. Sure they're a little inaccurate in the output, but it's not a big deal for that price range. Plus if you drop one it will bounce instead of scratch like a Provari or a Zmax would. Win.
You would have to think they will release a VW model at some point. When? Anyone's guess, could be soon or in a year's time. I doubt they would announce it in advance - or while they have significant stock of the VV only model.
But just a guess.
I'm dandy using vv for quite some time, way of the future or not. I adjust a number based on liquid being used, occasionally change when I use a different ohm. I don't use charts, I use "this tastes good".
Yeah, it is certainly not a "necessary" feature. But it is a very good feature that lets you find what "tastes good", and then forget it as you switch attys/carts/ etc. Whereas with VV you have to adjust for different resistances.
So, it is not necessary, but it is desirable and will be preferred over vv as it becomes readily available.
Well said. Sure, VW would be nice but it's not necessary. People always want the latest and greatest. But how hard is it to check the resistance with a Provari and then adjust the voltage up or down to suit it? Not very.
this says it all right here....
personally my opinion is not to high of the zmax...I played around with one recently and its just so inaccurate and inconsistent...after using a provari and knowing you'll get the same vape every fire spoils me...the z max seems to drop off when the battery gets low...and its like having to relearn ohms law because the voltage is so far off reading it's unreal...in my own opinion, until DNA 20 comes out, the only "true"vw device is the Darwin....and good luck finding one.
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VW is easier for newer users because it does take some of the guess work out of using different attys/cartos of varying resistances with different flavors and trying to match up the voltage.
With VV, you have to take into consideration your voltage and the resistance of the atty/carto that you are using to get that same hit.
With VV, you have to take into consideration your voltage and the resistance of the atty/carto that you are using to get that same hit.
it's really not all that much easier, it's different numbers that mean the same thing...all in all, if you were given an eGo twist and a random unmarked carto, I'm betting any vaper worth their salt can find a decent sweet spot with it...I'd rather something that performs well rather than attempting to just gives me an easy button to find what I like.
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My point exactly!!! The first time I used my Provari I started at 2.9 volts and bumped it up in .1 volt increments until I found my sweet spot.When it started tasting slightly burnt I backed off and settled on 3.7 volts.
Adding another screen for Variable Watts isnt really necessary and will confuse some users who are already daunted by all the options on there now. Its also already been proven that variable watts just like variable voltage is an inexact measurement at best since its the temperature of the coils that dictate how much vapor and flavor is produced. Both VV and VW are guesstimated based on the atomizer/cart youre using, the blend of your juice etc.
If Provape does upgrade to a V3 would be very interesting to see how many of us send ours in for an upgrade.Im betting it will be considerably less than half unless it gives us the option to raise the voltage even higher or lower.
I guess I have one thing to say in Provari's defense. Developing a new circuit boar, and the testing involved does not come over night. I can say this because I'm an engineer with the experience of product development.
To be fair, if ProVape is working on a VW model then it should keep it as close to the vest as possible. Announcing it too early could cut down short-term sales. That's not the most consumer-friendly tactic -- especially to ardent vapers like ECF posters -- but it's a wise business move.
All that testing and development is going to come at a higher price too.THAT should appease the masses who already complain about the so-called high cost of a Provari.
No. It is not different numbers that mean the same thing.
One is a measure of input, the other is a measure of output. The output is dependent on the input voltage and the resistance. If you control the output directly, you don't have to think about the input or resistance.
If you control the input only, then you have to account for the resistance to get to the output.
It is kind of like a baker controlling his bread oven by a) choosing the flow rate of gas to the oven, or b) choosing the temperature he wants to bake at.
One (VW) is a more simple control approach than the other (VV).
Can you get to the same place with both? Of course. Is it hard to adjust the voltage to find the sweet spot? Not really.
That still doesn't change the fact that having the choice between 2 devices that are the same in all other aspects, the VW would be easier to use and definitely better for someone that vapes using a lot of different resistances.
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