Another ZMax vs Provari thread...
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That is part of the point. VW you don't have to calculate the volts and ohms. You just set the wattage. So I believe you don't understand which is fine. It is part of the reason we have the discussion.
It isn't added "to the mix" in the sense you have to add it on top of how you use vv. Just use one or the other. You want to do ohms calculations then use vv. You don't want to do calculations, use vw. It's not a big deal. Saying it makes it more complicated isn't understanding the option and what its like to use it. If you have a system you like already then use and enjoy.
I'm a she for starters.As I've already said, I don't do RBAs. Accessories - cartos, clearos, vivis at different ohms. I don't want to be stuck with one resistance when I can easily use different ones and not worry. As I also said previously, you keep representing VW users rather than listening to what they say their experience is. Its not more complicated for me. Its easier. I don't care if you don't like that for some reason, the fact is it easier for me, and less complicated.
Since I have VW and VV both on the same device I know which I find easier to use, and what I prefer. VW.
You seem quite intent on arguing against VW all the time, but have you even used it?
The same basic principle holds true whether youre using RBA's, mixing atomizer/carto resistance or changing your accessories 4 times a day. VW works for you because it makes your life easier.
Im on the opposite end of the spectrum. I didnt buy a mod to make my life easier for me, I did it myself by removing all that clutter and picking a system that works extremely well for me. I dont need variable wattage because I dont have as many variables as you do.
You dont have to calculate the ohms with VV either. There are a ton of people using a Provari who have never even looked at the ohms chart. Its not hard to bump the voltage up in .01 volts increments until you get the best flavor and vapor from your juice. Trial and error works just fine for a lot of people.
It only becomes complicated when people make it complicated by switching different accessories out 4 times a day, changing the resistance on their atomizers/cartos or fine tuning their RBA's constantly.
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Yes, it is more convenient for me for sure. I wouldn't say I have clutter, I just like some variety. If some-one uses the same delivery system, with the same resistance, and the same juice all the time then sure, they could use VV or VW and not really vary either.
But a lot of people use several juices, try out new juices, and like to try new delivery systems. The T3s are popular, the Splitfires are another that some like. So VW can be a good way to vape with different juices and delivery systems if people want to try it.
As I said, I have VV and VW on one device.
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There are PVs made in the USA, milled from a block of aluminum, that are VW (power regulated), adjustable in .1 watt increments. Some don't like the non-tube factor, but I like having year-old batteries that still last for 18 hours.
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I think thats where youre wrong and why we keep having this debate. There is ONE thing that makes a VV device simpler than a VW device and thats the user.
You see VW as simpler and it is for you because youve made everything else so complicated. You use different ohms on your atomizers/cartomizers, switch from a carto to a clearo and then a Vivi Nova and then fine tune your RBA at the same time.
I see VV as simpler and it is for me because I use the same brand of cartomizers with the same resistance every time, dont use different accessories and have a much easier time when it comes to re-ordering my supplies
You might see that as someone limiting themselves but since I first started vaping 3+ years ago Ive tried to keep things as simple as I can by eliminating as many variables as I could and narrowing a constantly growing list down to what works best for me.
Im not knocking you or Kiwivap because you like a little variety, are still experimenting or still looking for your perfect vape but I passed that point a long time ago and VW to me is just another variable that I dont need.
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I understand where you're coming from with that. It doesn't make VV easier tho - VW would be no more difficult for some-one like you. It would be one setting and that's it. Not saying you have to try it, but it wouldn't be any harder.
I'm not "still looking for my perfect vape" - I would say it's that I've found more than one vape that I really like. There doesn't have to be just one vape that's great. And yeah, I do like to try new things sometimes, whether its juice or delivery. I'm going to try Dekang when my next order arrives - haven't tried it before.
Quite the thread.
Over a little more than two years of vaping, I've bought 99 PVs, plus another five that were sent to me for free. Like the friend of his that another poster mentioned, I'm semi-retired, live fairly frugally, and though not rich, have enough disposable income/savings to indulge my hobby.
The first 77 of those PVs were fixed-voltage: 510 or eGo batts, box mods, tube mods, bottom-feeders, passthroughs, etc. Some use stacked batteries that allow for multiple voltage configurations as selectable-voltage devices.
The next 23 PVs (or APVs) I acquired were all variable-voltage (VV): boxes and tubes, single- or dual-battery units. This includes a ProVari, BuzzPro, and iPro, which remain in my opinion the best-built factory-produced APVs I have---all three feel to me like solid, quality instruments rather than mere functional toys. Among my hand-built mods, only the dual-18650 6-amp Penguin tin VV made by Caged has a similar feeling of dependable quality (my two Phidias wooden bottom feeders are beautiful works of art, but both have required multiple repairs along the way).
The last five APVs I've purchased are all variable-power/wattage devices: two Kicks, an Acrylimax (same chip as a ZMax, but in an acrylic tube), and most recently two Vamo units.
Where vaping is concerned, I am the only person I have to please. (I try to be diplomatic when posting on ECF, but attempting to insure a degree of social harmony is not the same thing as wanting everyone to agree with me.) While I read threads like this with interest, I have no wish to debate others or convince them that what I happen to think/feel/believe about vaping is "correct." And while others' opinions are interesting to read, I don't really care what other people think/feel/believe. Arguments about one thing versus another don't sway me, although the information that emerges can be very useful.
I like most of my PVs and still use all the different types: fixed-voltage, VV, and VW. Each has its niche and uses, and they all give me pleasure. With regard to future purchases, with the exception of a ProVari mini (which I might buy to complement my ProVari standard/extended), I doubt that I will order any more VV devices. I like VW and will probably follow that train out of the station for the next phase of hardware development. Other people can and---of course---will do what pleases them.
Over a little more than two years of vaping, I've bought 99 PVs, plus another five that were sent to me for free. Like the friend of his that another poster mentioned, I'm semi-retired, live fairly frugally, and though not rich, have enough disposable income/savings to indulge my hobby.
The first 77 of those PVs were fixed-voltage: 510 or eGo batts, box mods, tube mods, bottom-feeders, passthroughs, etc. Some use stacked batteries that allow for multiple voltage configurations as selectable-voltage devices.
The next 23 PVs (or APVs) I acquired were all variable-voltage (VV): boxes and tubes, single- or dual-battery units. This includes a ProVari, BuzzPro, and iPro, which remain in my opinion the best-built factory-produced APVs I have---all three feel to me like solid, quality instruments rather than mere functional toys. Among my hand-built mods, only the dual-18650 6-amp Penguin tin VV made by Caged has a similar feeling of dependable quality (my two Phidias wooden bottom feeders are beautiful works of art, but both have required multiple repairs along the way).
The last five APVs I've purchased are all variable-power/wattage devices: two Kicks, an Acrylimax (same chip as a ZMax, but in an acrylic tube), and most recently two Vamo units.
Where vaping is concerned, I am the only person I have to please. (I try to be diplomatic when posting on ECF, but attempting to insure a degree of social harmony is not the same thing as wanting everyone to agree with me.) While I read threads like this with interest, I have no wish to debate others or convince them that what I happen to think/feel/believe about vaping is "correct." And while others' opinions are interesting to read, I don't really care what other people think/feel/believe. Arguments about one thing versus another don't sway me, although the information that emerges can be very useful.
I like most of my PVs and still use all the different types: fixed-voltage, VV, and VW. Each has its niche and uses, and they all give me pleasure. With regard to future purchases, with the exception of a ProVari mini (which I might buy to complement my ProVari standard/extended), I doubt that I will order any more VV devices. I like VW and will probably follow that train out of the station for the next phase of hardware development. Other people can and---of course---will do what pleases them.
I think thats where youre wrong and why we keep having this debate. There is ONE thing that makes a VV device simpler than a VW device and thats the user.
You see VW as simpler and it is for you because youve made everything else so complicated. You use different ohms on your atomizers/cartomizers, switch from a carto to a clearo and then a Vivi Nova and then fine tune your RBA at the same time.
I see VV as simpler and it is for me because I use the same brand of cartomizers with the same resistance every time, dont use different accessories and have a much easier time when it comes to re-ordering my supplies
You might see that as someone limiting themselves but since I first started vaping 3+ years ago Ive tried to keep things as simple as I can by eliminating as many variables as I could and narrowing a constantly growing list down to what works best for me.
Im not knocking you or Kiwivap because you like a little variety, are still experimenting or still looking for your perfect vape but I passed that point a long time ago and VW to me is just another variable that I dont need.
Well, you obviously don't understand. And THAT is why we keep having this go round.
Doesn't matter if you are a vaper like you or me, either way it is not more complicated to use a VW device. For someone switching resistances VV does add some complications. (Although neither is very complicated).
This is pretty much not an arguable point, yet you still wish to argue it.
I think you fit the description I posted earlier, about hating on a system only because your preferred device doesn't use that system. That "hating" has made you unable to honestly assess the system your device doesn't have.
Myself, I am just looking at the relative merits of 2 different approaches to varying power, independent of device.
I understand quite well thank you very much and Im not "hating" on a system at all. You and I are at opposite ends of the spectrum on this.Judging from your responses to my posts and your choice of using slang popularized by hip-hop culture with no place in American English (.......ized version that it is) I suspect thats not the only thing we would disagree on.
I just ordered a Z-max clone through a local co-op as a backup device for my Provari.Will the variable wattage be used? Most of the time no.I am looking into a nice Genesis style atomizer like the Zap so its a possibility sometime in the future but right now Im more than satisfied with my plain old VV Provari.
I just ordered a Z-max clone through a local co-op as a backup device for my Provari.Will the variable wattage be used? Most of the time no.I am looking into a nice Genesis style atomizer like the Zap so its a possibility sometime in the future but right now Im more than satisfied with my plain old VV Provari.
As stated before, I own both VV and VW. I can't say I prefer one over the other. The fact is, anything that is variable is an improvement on a mechanical or fixed voltage device. I do know I prefer one which is solidly built and will last a long time (this elimates LavaTubes, Lambos, YJ's, and others).
As some posters have pointed out, I've been in the game for over 2 years, too, and know what I like - except for the occasional ss wick resistance variance. Either device requires some sort of adjustment between different heads - flavor is never consistant with different heads.
Some argue the fact that they don't want to do the math; are we really becoming that lazy?
And what's next, VC (variable current)? Let's all jump on that band-wagon, eh?
Until someone delivers a VT (variable taste) device, that predicts what flavor I like and adjusts for that between heads, we are stuck with a couple of platforms that do work. (Maybe the VT model will change the batteries out for me and fill my atty with juice, too).
As some posters have pointed out, I've been in the game for over 2 years, too, and know what I like - except for the occasional ss wick resistance variance. Either device requires some sort of adjustment between different heads - flavor is never consistant with different heads.
Some argue the fact that they don't want to do the math; are we really becoming that lazy?
And what's next, VC (variable current)? Let's all jump on that band-wagon, eh?
Until someone delivers a VT (variable taste) device, that predicts what flavor I like and adjusts for that between heads, we are stuck with a couple of platforms that do work. (Maybe the VT model will change the batteries out for me and fill my atty with juice, too).
It isn't really about being lazy. It is just about progress. Are touch tone phones a sign a laziness over the old rotary dial phone? Should we just say the rotary phone works, so why do we need touch tone?
I just think the whole "bandwagon" and "fad" tags that some people put on VW is misplaced and similar to saying that touch tone phones are a fad, and that there is some kind of touch tone bandwagon. VW is just an evolution of variable power systems. It has some benefits (at least to most people) and it make sense to control power output instead of power input so that is what makes it a better approach to variable power.
Of course there are no perfect analogies to demonstrate the point, but it is an improved approach to variable power. It certainly isn't necessary, though and ability of a device to adjust wattage should not be the over riding factor on device choice.
If you have a VV device that you love, then great! If you don't care about VW devices, also great. The only VW device that I have is a KICK and I really don't care that it is VW. I just like that it regulates power on my mechanical mod. The fact that it is VW is a bit nicer because it is a bit of work to change the settings so VW works to get me an acceptable power level on my RBA without having to go to the trouble of changing the settings. If it was VV I would still be happy, but would likely have to change the settings more often. I have several VV devices, and I like them.
I'm pretty sure that is the point I was making - seems all you like to do is debate...
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