Provari Mini or iTaste SVD?

[slappy3139]

Until the time that these companies in China produce quality products that last with a solid warranty, that comparison that Baditude makes between Provape and these chinese companies is valid and should be pointed out.

 

[DetraMental]

^^^I agree. China made products are being sold at some pretty steep prices and should come with a warranty of some sort. They don't, and even if the seller gives a 30-90 day warranty that isn't squat compared to what you'll get with the Provari warranty or after-warranty service. If you have something from Sweden that is on par then by all means suggest it!

 

[VapieDan]

Personally I can hardy wait for the Provari clone. 1/4 the price. Should be out soon.

 

[stevegmu]

The decision has been made, and the discussion is ended. I do, however, feel the need to say this: Baditude, I respect you immensely, but, I do object to the generalizing and simplifying China vs USA rhetoric. Many of us are not from the US, and don't necessarily consider "Made in USA" and all it comes with as unequivocally positive. Secondly, I do feel uncomfortable when "it's from China" is used as an unambiguous negative. Some of us are probably from China as well.

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Just because most things vape-related that are made in PRC are disposable, poorly made, inconsistent junk doesn't mean the Chinese people are bad; just the manufacturing practices of many PRC companies...

 

[stevegmu]

Personally I can hardy wait for the Provari clone. 1/4 the price. Should be out soon.

Why? The whole point of a ProVari is their strict quality control, precise machining, fit and finish, their chip, warranty and customer service. The counterfeit won't have any of those...

 

[slappy3139]

I would like to add that "made in USA" shouldn't matter to anyone outside the USA, but what should matter is that the provari is probably the most durable and reliable regulated device on the market and is readily available to purchase.

 

[Baditude]

Baditude, I respect you immensely, but, I do object to the generalizing and simplifying China vs USA rhetoric. Many of us are not from the US, and don't necessarily consider "Made in USA" and all it comes with as unequivocally positive. Secondly, I do feel uncomfortable when "it's from China" is used as an unambiguous negative. Some of us are probably from China as well.

Con's: Made in China, so limited or no warranty. Should it need repair, it becomes an expensive paperweight (Chinese manufacturers do not do repairs, they expect you to purchase another mod instead).
Mini Provari

Pro's: USA made. Higher quality parts and attention to detail in the manufacturing process. Designed and manufactured to be every bit as durable as a mechanical mod.

None of my comments were directed negatively towards Chinese people in general. My criticism of China was directed specifically towards Chinese manufacturers and their business philosophy. This philosophy is to build mods cheaply so that they can be sold cheaply with no after sale support for repair of broken/dysfunctional units sold. I thought that this was made quite clear in my short statements.

Perhaps some people are acceptable to buy their mods in this fashion, but there are many wiser customers who would rather pay more for better quality and durability, and be able to expect some type of warranty, customer service, and after the sale repair services.

I find it rather amazing that this generation is so accepting of a "disposable" society. I guess I am "old school" - I expect better quality out of the box and to get some type of warranty and after warranty repair options. It's getting harder to find companies like Provape in this day of disposable products.

I grew up at a time (circa 1960's) when anything made in Japan was considered to be cheap and expected to fail prematurely. Japanese manufacturers got their acts together and are now world leaders in quality electronic components. When Chinese manufacturers get their act together I will say the same for them.

Provape has so many repeat customers not because they have to, but because they want to.

Until the time that these companies in China produce quality products that last with a solid warranty, that comparison that Baditude makes between Provape and these chinese companies is valid and should be pointed out.

^^^I agree. China made products are being sold at some pretty steep prices and should come with a warranty of some sort. They don't, and even if the seller gives a 30-90 day warranty that isn't squat compared to what you'll get with the Provari warranty or after-warranty service...

 

[Baditude]

Personally I can hardy wait for the Provari clone. 1/4 the price. Should be out soon.

It will only "look" like a Provari. I assure you it will not come close to performing like a Provari. I will not not last as long as a Provari. It will not have the customer support like Provape provides.

Why would you want something that looks like a Provari, but will perform and last at 1/4 the level of the real thing and have no customer support?

 

[KenD]

None of my comments were directed negatively towards Chinese people in general. My criticism of China was directed specifically towards Chinese manufacturers and their business philosophy. This philosophy is to build mods cheaply so that they can be sold cheaply with no after sale support for repair of broken/dysfunctional units sold.

Perhaps some people are acceptable to buy their mods in this fashion, but there are many wiser customers who would rather pay more for better quality and be able to expect some type of warranty, customer service, and after the sale repair services.

I find it rather amazing that this generation is so accepting of a "disposable" society. I guess I am "old school" - I expect better quality out of the box and to get some type of warranty and after warranty repair options. It's getting harder to find companies like Provape in this day of disposable products.

I grew up at a time when anything made in Japan was considered to be cheap and expected to fail prematurely. Japanese manufacturers got their acts together and are now world leaders in quality electronic components. When Chinese manufacturers get their act together I will say the same for them.

Provape has so many repeat customers not because they have to, but because they want to.

I agree with much what you're saying (and I'm very, very critical of the buy and throw away attitude, and excessive consumption in general), and I'm sorry if my post came out as a critique towards you (I did after all respond directly to your post). It was more of a general annoyance with the putting down of any and everything China just because it's China, and the parochiality of "made in USA" that's so common here (again, not implying that you have that attitude).

And to make it clear, I wasn't critiquing the Provari or saying that the SVD is better, even though I'm quite fond of my SVD

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