Provari? Never Again!!!

[KenD]

I wouldnt call the "erratic output of other devices a lie"

I kave a Kanger Kbox mini that is definitely not accurate at lower wattage settings. I use it only as a stand for rebuilding. Thats all its good for.
I also have an Aspire pegasus that I really want to like, but anytime you change atomizers it wants to fire at an absurd 6.5v- 7V for several seconds before settling in on the set wattage. Thats the supposed way it checks to see if it needs to be in temp control. I think its defective as its supposed to only do it for a second or two but it does it for much longer. I contacted Aspire, but the return policy is a joke and somewhat expensive for returning a defective product. I didnt bother trying with the Kanger as that was a cheap POS anyway.

Plenty of modern devices are plenty accurate, and certainly not erratic (erratic implies a huge discrepancy). Tests of for example joyetech/Wismec mods show them to be very accurate in at least vw mode (as the Provaris only have vw mode tc accuracy doesn't matter). Devices with DNA boards are very accurate, as are devices with Yihi boards. Just to mention some (and with joyetech, most).

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[Scy123]

I wouldnt call the "erratic output of other devices a lie"

Even my DNA200 is erratic. Mostly in tc mode I get erratic behavior on all my attys and I know it's not the build. They work fine in my IPV3 Li. It even goes into some kinda phase that tc mode will not work correctly till I reboot the device. Don't get me wrong I think it is a great device, but I would not call it stable. But hey maybe I just got a defective device.

Don't get me wrong I don't even like Provari. Just saying.

 

[dsheik]

Plenty of modern devices are plenty accurate, and certainly not erratic (erratic implies a huge discrepancy). Tests of for example Joyetech/Wismec mods show them to be very accurate in at least vw mode (as the Provaris only have vw mode tc accuracy doesn't matter). Devices with DNA boards are very accurate, as are devices with Yihi boards. Just to mention some (and with joyetech, most).

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And some arent. Its just poor quality control. Some of these manufacturers just pump out as many and as fast as they can, and your just going to end up with some that are defective or erratic. Ive managed to land a couple of them.
I think Provape is overpriced, and their designs are behind the times, and I may never purchase from them again, but if they want to make mention of other devices being erratic, well they are 100% correct in that statement.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

.... it always happens. Y'all have fun... ya hear?

 

[Bronze]

The biggest mistake ProVape made (and I said this shortly after they released the P3) is to allow the user to see what their IQ was. People put WAY, WAY, WAY too much emphasis on IQ. I never look at it and I haven't had a lick of trouble. I've owned a variety of Chinese mods in the past. Sorry, but none of them can be compared to my Provaris. Not even close!

 

[USMCotaku]

In the Procyon presentation. The "erratic output" of other devices (most of the popular devices today are very accurate, and certainly not erratic), safest electronic cigarette (it really doesn't have safety features that other modern mods lack). If not outright lies then certainly exaggerations. It could also be argued that the longer runtime claim is not strictly correct either as single battery isn't mentioned. The 4x improvement in electrical connection due to the "high performance end cap" seems a bit incredulous as well. That would require the conductivity of other mods to be truly horrid, when it in many cases comes close to the conductivity of good mech mods.

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by erratic output, they are most likely talking about actual wattage output, which is usually wildly inaccurate in many lower end mods.....I will put the radius at 40 watts side by side with most 60 watt mods, and it will hit as hard or harder then they will. Because it is a true 40 watts.

 

[KenD]

by erratic output, they are most likely talking about actual wattage output, which is usually wildly inaccurate in many lower end mods.....I will put the radius at 40 watts side by side with most 60 watt mods, and it will hit as hard or harder then they will. Because it is a true 40 watts.

Sure, they're exaggerating. Common marketing strategy. The fact is, however, that even cheap mods like the Evic VTC Mini, Wismec rx200, istick 100 tc etc today are fairly accurate. Back in Provape's heyday that wasn't the case. As for safety features, even my old Innokin svd has the same features as the provari.

In any case, I'm not going to argue this any further. It's how I see it. Provape makes quality devices and it's sad that they feel the need to resort to this strategy.

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[DPLongo22]

Even Phil Busardo says the latest Provari's are a tough sell. For a couple of years that's about all you saw him vape with at vape meets.

I have a couple of 2.5's and a P3. Loved them and was one of the bigger supportors of Provari, but my vaping style has changed (surprise!!) from the Tootle Puffer days to using 30 watts in a mech and RX200. I doubt that I've touched a Provari in over a year. I think I would like the Radius, but...

Well, knock me over with a feather.

 

[DPLongo22]

Thankfully, my vaping style hasn't changed, and I hope it never does, so the trusty old v2/2.5 still works perfectly for me.

And at $30 a pop, well, not a bad deal.

Now if they ever DID intro a SBS device, I'd hit that Buy button quicker than a teenage boy popping on prom night.

To paraphrase His Excellence, Sir Rod of Lube, "Yes, I would!"

 

[DPLongo22]

The biggest mistake ProVape made (and I said this shortly after they released the P3) is to allow the user to see what their IQ was. People put WAY, WAY, WAY too much emphasis on IQ. I never look at it and I haven't had a lick of trouble. I've owned a variety of Chinese mods in the past. Sorry, but none of them can be compared to my Provaris. Not even close!

I hate it when my mod (car, computer, phone, etc.) thinks it's smarter than I am.

I've had some decent mods from China, but also none that truly compare to what I've received from Washington (state).

That being said, I've got a couple from other places that DO compare (equally), but I certainly wouldn't say that any of them "exceed...". But if I said that my ONLY good mods came from ProVape, well, I'd be flat-out lying.

Using an exact quote from the books that created my avatar, I can only say;
"Go then. There are other worlds than these."

 

[Baditude]

In the Procyon presentation. The "erratic output" of other devices (most of the popular devices today are very accurate, and certainly not erratic), safest electronic cigarette (it really doesn't have safety features that other modern mods lack). If not outright lies then certainly exaggerations. It could also be argued that the longer runtime claim is not strictly correct either as single battery isn't mentioned. The 4x improvement in electrical connection due to the "high performance end cap" seems a bit incredulous as well. That would require the conductivity of other mods to be truly horrid, when it in many cases comes close to the conductivity of good mech mods.

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Just one example of "erratic output":

If you follow PBusardo's indepth mod reviews, he does power output accuracy graphs. Very few regulated mods can match the accuracy of a Provape product.

Concerning safety, I've never read of a Provari catching on fire or exploding. Again, my examples point to the ever so popular Eleaf iStick. Eleaf would never admit that there was a parts or manufacturing defect, only commenting that the faulty mods must be "clones" of their product.

Istick 50 Watt Exploded

 

[K_Tech]

I'm not a Provari fanboi, I own two (a V2 and a P3) and I'll probably be buying another one. I was looking at a Radius, now I'm thinking Procyon. Within the parameters they were optimized for, nothing beats them. For me, they're perfect for toodle puffing, and although I own devices with higher power capability, I'm very rarely above 40 watts or so, and I can be perfectly happy puffing along on a KF4 at 15 watts or so most days.

As to device IQ issues, although I rarely look at mine, I've never been below 82, and I'm more often above 90. I clean my contacts when I change atomizers or re-wick, and I also clean my battery contacts, which folks rarely think about. Battery contacts get "dirty" too, and I've seen a 6% jump just from cleaning the batteries.

Plenty of modern devices are plenty accurate, and certainly not erratic (erratic implies a huge discrepancy).

It depends on perspective. I often do field calibration for a variety of sensors, and in my line of work, a 2% deviation is unacceptable.
That being said, as much as I like numbers (because I'm a nerd like that), I don't really care if I'm vaping at 36 watts or 40 watts, as long as the vape is satisfying.

 

[ScandaLeX]

When did side by side become the industry standard?

It would have been nice to see them rework the Radius model into the industry standard side by side mod for the procyon instead of a 50w long tube.

Not bashing them, I have two provaris and like them and love the craftsmanship of their work. I just wish they would take the lead on design instead of always playing it safe.

 

[Katdarling]

They haven't, Lex, but this DOES appear to be the Year of the SBS, abstolutely!

 

[dsheik]

Maybe that came out wrong. Provari could have made the industry standard side by side mod with this 50w procyon instead of just another tube. Right now there isnt a lot out there for regulated side by side mods. Xvo stick and a couple others and some cheap junk you can find on fasttech and such.

Sure some people would say 50w isnt enough, but Provape makes quality mods and a 50w side by side from them would be considered the industry standard for side by sides by most vapers.

 

[Katdarling]

I'd be on it, for sure.

 

[DPLongo22]

I'd be on it, for sure.

...too.

I don't care about the wattage, but a Xvo'ish Provi would have me at "Hello" (as she said).

 

[DPLongo22]

When did side by side become the industry standard?

To hold one is to __________ one.
(MadLibs it as you wish)

 

[Katdarling]

Hmmmmmmmmmm............

 

[KenD]

Look, I wasn't trying to pick a fight. Of course there are mods out there that are worse than the Provaris, I never contested that, or claimed that any Provari is bad in any way. It's just that, in my opinion, Provape are starting to look a bit desperate and exaggerate the pros of their devices and the cons of others. That's how I see it, no need to get defensive.

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