Provari, the ax has come for you

[ScandaLeX]

Which is a lot of money to most people. Even the latest & greatest are deemed too expensive by the masses who use Innokin, eleaf, sigelei, smok, SMY and IPV. And the price I think the ProVari should cost would still be too expensive to most of them.

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That's called choices.....ijs.....

 

[Underwhelmed]

I think new vapers should start out on an eGo kit to see if it is for them, then get a ProVari, if they value a mod which will not let them down. From that perspective, cost shouldn't even be a factor, as the lowest priced ProVari kit is equivalent to a couple cartons. They can easily save enough using the eGo kit in a couple months to get a ProVari...

This is basically what I did.

I had a couple ego twists and decided I wanted to try rebuildable attys (original DID) and knew running one on an ego wouldn't be safe.

 

[ScandaLeX]

Or you could buy a suitable device for a fraction of the cost and pocket the difference. Why do folks think that they have to spend any potential money they'd be saving?

Are you going to take that $8K your saving each year and upgrade your car too? Or might you just save some of that money?

I wanna answer....**waving frantically like the kid in class**

Not everyone cares about saving $$$!
Yet the people who do think about saving $$$ think the rest of us should as well!

Sounds again like choices to me.....ijs.....

 

[WillyZee]

I would never be able to sell the non-hobbyist, non forum user on a ProVari. I don't know many people who would go more expensive then an iStick and even that's been pushing it with some. Like most products, affordability is the most important aspect to the mainstream consumer.

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The smokers I've converted have been with Provaris ... I figure, why not start them with what I myself use.
For me, I just wanted to replace smoking with a better alternative ... Provari/Kayfun works perfect.

I never lung hit cigarettes ... so why start now?


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[yuseffuhler]

I am curious to see how many people in the real world vape at 20 watts. My guess would be less than those on ECF.... we're a bit skewed towards the high end of the scale I believe.

 

[beckdg]

I think new vapers should start out on an eGo kit to see if it is for them, then get a ProVari, if they value a mod which will not let them down. From that perspective, cost shouldn't even be a factor, as the lowest priced ProVari kit is equivalent to a couple cartons. They can easily save enough using the eGo kit in a couple months to get a ProVari...

I think the power limits of ProVari are high enough to suit the majority of vapers; the poll proves it...

Therein often lies the problem.

(Not saying I disagree with the direction or process.)

Vaper sits on ego.
Replaces broken ego with cheaper ego because it's disposable. (Cigs were too)
Replaces glitchy ego with more expensive ego.
Works for a week, buys another elsewhere and charges old ego with new charger.

Etc, etc... exact chain of events is irrelevant... leaking clearos may be a factor, etc.

Point is... cheap product failure can make you fear expensive product failure when faced with the unknown.

Tapatyped

 

[Underwhelmed]

I wanna answer....**waving frantically like the kid in class**

Not everyone cares about saving $$$!
Yet the people who do think about saving $$$ think the rest of us should as well!

Sounds again like choices to me.....ijs.....

And if you buy something of quality, with a warranty and great support and not every other device that comes out, you do save money in the long run.

 

[ScandaLeX]

Ok, you have made me curious enough that I bought the 2.5 gunmetal special from Provape, and I'll be stalking the mailman....... again

Pics...... We wanna see pics..... When you get it of course.

 

[stevegmu]

Therein often lies the problem.

(Not saying I disagree with the direction or process.)

Vaper sits on ego.
Replaces broken ego with cheaper ego because it's disposable. (Cigs were too)
Replaces glitchy ego with more expensive ego.
Works for a week, buys another elsewhere and charges old ego with new charger.

Etc, etc... exact chain of events is irrelevant... leaking clearos may be a factor, etc.

Point is... cheap product failure can make you fear expensive product failure when faced with the unknown.

Tapatyped

Maybe I was lucky. When I got serious about vaping, I got a Halo Triton kit- the batteries still work, wanted to try different tanks, so did some research concerning the best mod on the market- I knew vaping was for me, inquired on here about ProVari, where Badatitude's posts convinced me not all mods are created equal; watched the P. Busardo video on ProVari, then ordered...

At some point in life, those serious about something need to take a leap of faith, or live in regret...

 

[TFL!]

Or you could buy a suitable device for a fraction of the cost and pocket the difference. Why do folks think that they have to spend any potential money they'd be saving?

Are you going to take that $8K your saving each year and upgrade your car too? Or might you just save some of that money?[/QUOTE}

NO! Trade in the old one and pay cash for the new one.

 

[spartanstew]

I wanna answer....**waving frantically like the kid in class**

Not everyone cares about saving $$$!
Yet the people who do think about saving $$$ think the rest of us should as well!

Sounds again like choices to me.....ijs.....

And not everyone cares about spending all the money they would have saved ---- which was my point.

I appreciate you agreeing with me.

 

[ScandaLeX]

And not everyone cares about spending all the money they would have saved ---- which was my point.

I appreciate you agreeing with me.

Is that what you said? Didn't seem like it to me but that's ok.....perception perception perception.....

 

[440BB]

They're all tools to me. For a little job with short term use, I buy tools at Harbor Freight. For a tool I need to last and count on every time I need it, I spend a little more. I consider it a waste of money to buy an everyday tool that won't hold up. I'm a long term vaper and like good tools as they save me time and money.

Cheap mechs can often be good tools for the long term, while in my experience cheap regulated devices don't hold up for even a year of steady use. I wish I could recommend a $20-50 device with smooth power that I know would hold up, but that hasn't been my experience. For a vaper not satisfied with an ego, I recommend a roughly $100 device that has proven it's utility. I think it's worth the extra $50 or so, especially in the second and third years. For the price of one more carton, I give both of us peace of mind that what I recommend will continue to perform well and trouble free next year.

I also have a well used Bunn coffemaker. A truly wonderful tool. Ten cups in three minutes, every time.

 

[DPLongo22]

If you are having a freezing issue, why aren't you sending it in for service instead of just writing your isolated issue off as an inferior product vs a Provari? You can Google search Provari issues as well and find people with defective units. Should their opinion of the ProVari be what yours is of the SX Mini?

And yes, it is heavy which is subjective. I personally like the solid feel of my SX Mini vs my IPV. It's a much higher quality aluminum and all the screws/buttons are stainless.

You say it's easy to mistakenly switch modes. How? The down button switches them. The down button after switching to the preset menu with the up button, lowers your watts or joules. The UI is very simple and allows you to change your ramp time on the fly. And your device has a firmware update available which which adds some things including the ability to shut your gravity sensor off. You should also see if it fixes your isolated freezing issue before sending it in.

And saying you don't see a difference between the SX Mini vs your IPV doesn't give you much credibility. It's not just the features that are more advanced but the quality of the vape as well. Saying you can't tell a difference between the SX Mini and the IPV Mini 2 is an argument very similar to one's I've had with biased people claiming that their $30, 20w iStick vapes no different then a ProVari.

The best regulated devices around consist of Evolv's DNA 40, YiHi's SX350 and ProVari. I just feel that ProVape charges a bit too much in 2015 which for some reason, ruffles a lot of feathers around here. I mean how dare somebody find a con around here about an ECF registered supplier.



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Hey OB. I never said it was inferior. I said that I didn't like it as much. As for sending it in, I'm also fairly certain that I felt is was a relatively minor annoyance (at this time), and that pretty much everything I presented was knowingly being done so in a very subjective manner.

As for the mode switching, sometimes I hit the button by accident, and it switches modes. Pretty simple. You can't really be terribly surprised that such might be possible, are you?

I gave my opinions and I stand by them. I don't come here to gain credibility. Actually, I just kind of laughed out loud even typing that (true story). I come here purely for enjoyment, sprinkled with education (given & taken).

But to be clear, I said I didn't see MUCH difference between the two, and I don't. I absolutely recognized the advanced features, but I don't vape features. The vaping experience, FOR ME, is very similar between the two. Nor was I attempting to bash the SXM. I believe I was also pretty clear that I liked it a lot.

I don't care if you like Provari. Or Billet Box. Or EPM (or, or, or). I do. And I'm quite comfortable with what I like, regardless of what's hot, or highly regarded, at pretty much any time. I buy stuff. If I like it, I keep it. If I don't like it, I sell it. Fairly straightforward.

Someone (possibly you) mentioned the SX Mini. I simply gave my opinion. And I repeat that it's a good device. I like it a lot. It's just not my absolute favorite (nor is a Provari, for that matter). If that bugs you, well, OK then...

 

[beckdg]

Maybe I was lucky. When I got serious about vaping, I got a Halo Triton kit- the batteries still work, wanted to try different tanks, so did some research concerning the best mod on the market- I knew vaping was for me, inquired on here about ProVari, where Badatitude's posts convinced me not all mods are created equal; watched the P. Busardo video on ProVari, then ordered...

At some point in life, those serious about something need to take a leap of faith, or live in regret...

Yes...

We here are the lucky ones. (Or smart ones willing to research?)

Didn't keep me from being skeptical. And at the time, a prothingy was a big leap of faith after spending a ton of money moving and more restarting a new life in many facets.

Doesn't help the argument I get from one guy who's been vaping over 2 years... "I don't need nuthin' like that, I'm quitting anyway".

Umm... Yeah... keep telling yourself that...

Tapatyped

 

[Oberon75]

Hey OB. I never said it was inferior. I said that I didn't like it as much. As for sending it in, I'm also fairly certain that I felt is was a relatively minor annoyance (at this time), and that pretty much everything I presented was knowingly being done so in a very subjective manner.

As for the mode switching, sometimes I hit the button by accident, and it switches modes. Pretty simple. You can't really be terribly surprised that such might be possible, are you?

I gave my opinions and I stand by them. I don't come here to gain credibility. Actually, I just kind of laughed out loud even typing that (true story). I come here purely for enjoyment, sprinkled with education (given & taken).

But to be clear, I said I didn't see MUCH difference between the two, and I don't. I absolutely recognized the advanced features, but I don't vape features. The vaping experience, FOR ME, is very similar between the two. Nor was I attempting to bash the SXM. I believe I was also pretty clear that I liked it a lot.

I don't care if you like Provari. Or Billet Box. Or EPM (or, or, or). I do. And I'm quite comfortable with what I like, regardless of what's hot, or highly regarded, at pretty much any time. I buy stuff. If I like it, I keep it. If I don't like it, I sell it. Fairly straightforward.

Someone (possibly you) mentioned the SX Mini. I simply gave my opinion. And I repeat that it's a good device. I like it a lot. It's just not my absolute favorite (nor is a Provari, for that matter). If that bugs you, well, OK then...

Ok then. Very sorry for the misunderstanding. Some people here just defend their ProVari to the death while everyone else is on a pleb level.

My only reason for really bringing up the SX Mini or even the DNA 40 was to kinda compare the features of the premium devices. Because you get the exact same 20w vape on any of these that you can get from a provari and all use high quality materials. But for the same money if not less, a lot more comes in the package. They are all great devices. I just don't like ProVapes uncompetitive stance when it comes to the price of an aging piece of electronics.

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[tj99959]

I wanna answer....**waving frantically like the kid in class**

Not everyone cares about saving $$$!
Yet the people who do think about saving $$$ think the rest of us should as well!

Sounds again like choices to me.....ijs.....

Well I went all of 2014 without spending a single dime on vaping, not even for juice. Yet I have two Provaris'.
I think spending money when I want to is a lot more fun than when I need to.

Does that answer your question?

 

[Thrasher]

But how can you keep calling the DNA premium when its plaged by so many problems, or will you deny that too?


I'll say it again, even busardo, a major reviewer said its not worth recommending.
And he is the voice of average cconsumers

 

[ScandaLeX]

Well I went all of 2014 without spending a single dime on vaping, not even for juice. Yet I have two Provaris'.
I think spending money when I want to is a lot more fun than when I need to.

Does that answer your question?

Ummm...I didn't ask a question.

 

[Oberon75]

But how can you keep calling the DNA premium when its plaged by so many problems, or will you deny that too?


I'll say it again, even busardo, a major reviewer said its not worth recommending.
And he is the voice of average cconsumers

The issues with the DNA have since been fixed. But of course an old review dictates every revision of the product.

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