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I love these guys. They checked my order within minutes of that post and sent me a confirmation via email. If I wasn't a life-customer before I sure as hell am now.
I dont get this whole thing with IMR IMR IMR,, what the heck is wrong with using an AW IRC 2900MaH Batt in this unit over a 1600 mAh IMR Batt,, there are other IMR then AW as well that are manufactured but tell me the science & math of why only the IMR. I can see if your using a 1.5ohm 510 Atty but if your using say a 2.5ohm Atty running at 4.7v or so why the IMR, can someone help me a little here on this
When the guy at the Harley shop said I needed premium gas in my bike... I put premium gas in my bike. Will it run on regular, yep... Just not as well.
ProVape seems to have tested the suggested cell and has decided it is the optimum choice, and it appears that they want to make a single suggestion that they absolutely know will perform as tested. By removing the variables they can deliver a product that when used as directed, will deliver an insurable level of quality.
Will others work in some way? Of course. Can ProVape guarantee that? They are not in the business of batteries, they only need to suggest something they know has been tested to deliver the results they promised.
I have no problem with it.
Zen thank you for your thoughts, but like I said I was asking for some science and math or to even show some test results showing that an IMR AW will out perform an AW IRC 2900 mAh running at the specs I showed of a 2.5 ohm Atty at 4.7V
By the way when my Harley mechanic worked my Fatboy out the Azzzz I thanked him too and ran the premium as well. I also have no problem with it, I just have been using different AW batts on a couple of VV devices for quite some time now and I am personally finding that my IRC AW's are giving me longer performance then my IMR's I dont know if it is only the fact that they only make an IMR at 1600mAH and the 2900mAh just being higher is the reason and what I would assume, or if they are suggesting the IMR because of people using possible LR Atty's and they are safer because of the higher Amp draw or what, I would just like to know, I really like the AW IRC 2900mAh Batt better then any other I have ran as of yet
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Mwa, you and I have shared ideas across a few threads, and I'm sure you realize I deeply respect your opinions and knowledge...
And both you and I are completely aware that the science you have requested that will prove his claim does not exist, however, from what I am reading here, and I may be wrong, he is saying that ProVape is suggesting a particular cell, and it is the cell that was used in the development and testing of the ProVari. By using that cell, ProVari will deliver the results promised. ProVari is making a stand and suggesting a cell that they know will deliver the goods.
Two days after the first ProVari is delivered there will be empirical data demonstrating different performance for a half dozen or more cells.
The battery they have suggested is at least of good quality, and by suggesting a specific cell, this particular manufacturer has covered a lot of customer service bases in the process by creating a given baseline of performance, that can be predictably obtained.
It is the first step I have seen in the world of US made PVs that is a step away from cottage industry practices, and I'm excited by that in general.
The impedance of the voltage supply can effect the operation of the circuit its driving - its not unusual. Apparently this is the case with the ProVari...David explained it nicely here although without giving specific numbers: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ovari-variable-voltage-mod-7.html#post2192318
If you go back carefully nobody is saying you can't use other batteries or even that its dangerous to do so, its just that they have tested and confirmed that AW IMRs behave properly and have the correct impedance so the circuit will perform as designed with it. They also do suggest that the higher internal resistance of standard LiIon batteries can effect the operation.
(I know that was not what I was talking about before- re 18500's)-
Hopefully, later on, they'll have some time to go back and bench test the operation specifically with the AW2900P and Redilast 2900's if they fit, and comment specifically on their appropriateness .... because it would be great to use them in this device... either way though it won't change things- I'll still want it.
Sorry if I went overboard earlier with the IMRs being safer- while true, its much less of an issue when they are in the ProVari- its easy to forget that this device has all the features you want so you no longer have to rely on the PCB of protected batteries...
Clearly the ProVari needs to ship immediately so we may begin battery testing. I...er...we cannot wait any longer.
I think it is an excellent idea to not rule out certain batteries but recommend one in particular.
Guys happy Thanksgiving and thank you all for your input very much, I didn't want to or in any way want for anyone to think I put the Provari down, or downgrade the use of the AW IMR Batts, they are a great Battery and of the highest quality I do use them all the time personally along with the IC 18650's and the smaller 3.7 16340 series batts too so please don't take this somewhere it shouldn't be going believe me I am order #3011 and think they have done what looks to be a wonderful job on this unit and I'm very much looking forward to getting mine and run it through some vigorous testing of my own while enjoying the quality aspects of this PV
My question was specific and weighted towards why ONLY the IMR, I understand the use of these IMR's especially with LR Atty's and maybe other situations as well, but more specific my question was on when running a 2.5ohm Atty around 4.5v-4.7v and why only the IMR in this reference, simply because this is where I plan on using this unit when I get it and was looking for more information about this specific science and math like maybe a chart of performance at this particular running of the unit, I don't know if the black AW 2900 mAh was even used in there testing, but if so I would love to see some of there results either way from there testing of what Batts they did use and especially if the AW-2900 was used since its one of my go to Batts and I really think it's one of the best batts out in the 18650 series. Let it be known I have also used the orange IMR 1600mAh in both the 18650 & 16340 sizes everyday and have found them to pack more punch in certain situations as well. Bottom line I was looking for the specific answers to my questions and it would be nice to have an answer from Provari on this too! Thanks and again happy Thanksgiving to all
My question was specific and weighted towards why ONLY the IMR, I understand the use of these IMR's especially with LR Atty's and maybe other situations as well, but more specific my question was on when running a 2.5ohm Atty around 4.5v-4.7v and why only the IMR in this reference, simply because this is where I plan on using this unit when I get it and was looking for more information about this specific science and math like maybe a chart of performance at this particular running of the unit, I don't know if the black AW 2900 mAh was even used in there testing, but if so I would love to see some of there results either way from there testing of what Batts they did use and especially if the AW-2900 was used since its one of my go to Batts and I really think it's one of the best batts out in the 18650 series. Let it be known I have also used the orange IMR 1600mAh in both the 18650 & 16340 sizes everyday and have found them to pack more punch in certain situations as well. Bottom line I was looking for the specific answers to my questions and it would be nice to have an answer from Provari on this too! Thanks and again happy Thanksgiving to all
Can I ask a simple question, unrelated to batteries?
I currently have a supply of LR 510's... about 10. Those are the ONLY attys I have right now, as I'm using an Ali'i, and they work great with it!
Do I need (or do you experts recommend) that I stock up with some standard 510 attys, or can I save my dimes and nickles and simply use the LR, being the ProVari IS a variable voltage device? Can I simply dial down the voltage, and stick with LR, or is there some legit reason I should get some standard 510's, before my ProVari arrives?
Thanks, and Happy Thanksgiving to all of you guys!
I currently have a supply of LR 510's... about 10. Those are the ONLY attys I have right now, as I'm using an Ali'i, and they work great with it!
Do I need (or do you experts recommend) that I stock up with some standard 510 attys, or can I save my dimes and nickles and simply use the LR, being the ProVari IS a variable voltage device? Can I simply dial down the voltage, and stick with LR, or is there some legit reason I should get some standard 510's, before my ProVari arrives?
Thanks, and Happy Thanksgiving to all of you guys!
Yeah, take it to the battery forum.
Re: LR the product page says -
Note: We don't recommend using low resistance atomizers/cartomizers on the ProVari. While it won't damage the unit, they are no longer necessary since you can adjust the voltage.
I would give them a try but order only SR in the future.
Re: LR the product page says -
Note: We don't recommend using low resistance atomizers/cartomizers on the ProVari. While it won't damage the unit, they are no longer necessary since you can adjust the voltage.
I would give them a try but order only SR in the future.
Resistance has become much more than ''low" and ''high". People are going to have to learn the numbers to better address issues like these. Some people will say ''l have a low resistance atty" but its built to 2 ohms. I consider 1.5-1.9 ohms as being ''low" and 2.0-2.5 as being in the mid range now. Maybe the device will work fine on 'person A's' perspective of low resistance but not on 'person B's'.
Think of the scenario like this; ''What light bulb is in that lamp?" Um....a medium one?
We know how to use wattage when it comes to light bulbs. Atomizer/cartomizer resistance values are just as simple.
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Think of the scenario like this; ''What light bulb is in that lamp?" Um....a medium one?
We know how to use wattage when it comes to light bulbs. Atomizer/cartomizer resistance values are just as simple.
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Interesting, you hit on a point that often causes new vapers some frustration. Going forward one may expect a real need to properly define real world designations, references and technical spec's.
Many of my associates and friends are technical folks ie engineers such as myself, electronic hobbyists, computer professionals etc. I would expect the team that developed this PV certainly fall into one or more of those categories as they have developed one of the most advanced PV's currently available. David and others on his team appear to be on top of the game.
Unfortunately, some vendors, developers and reviewers in the community fall short and tend to confuse folks with slang and derivations that make no sense. ProVape does NOT fall into this category.
Examples:
LR - Low Res - Low Resistance, pretty close to meaningful but still lacks specificity... LR to one person may mean something under 10K ohms -
Regular or Medium Resistance, now we are out in a gray zone
HR High Res - High Resistance, this one is way out there - 10 meg ohms ? No one with any technical background would even guess that some would call High Resistance ~ 3.0 to 4.0 ohms High Resistance (Ever)
The same can be said for voltage - really - 4.2 ... 6.0 volts - Hmm Do u call your bike or car battery High Voltage 12.6 - 14.2Vdc? of course not!
Recently I viewed an e-cig video review where the reviewer called WATTS 'WAZES' OMG
My favorite one is when folks discuss current and call milliampere-hour (mAh or mA·h), 'MAZ', WTH is a 'MAZ' maybe mills but MAAAZZZ I don't think so.
The community having a language all its own and weird representation of standards that have been around for ~ 200 years may not be a good thing. As more and more advanced devices and people are introduced to this wonderful smoking alternative hopefully gaining broader acceptance we should consider proper use of terminology and technical specification.
Soap box off
Happy Thanksgiving to all.
Three cheers for ProVape ingenuity
Interesting, you hit on a point that often causes new vapers some frustration. Going forward one may expect a real need to properly define real world designations, references and technical spec's.
Many of my associates and friends are technical folks ie engineers such as myself, electronic hobbyists, computer professionals etc. I would expect the team that developed this PV certainly fall into one or more of those categories as they have developed one of the most advanced PV's currently available. David and others on his team appear to be on top of the game.
Unfortunately, some vendors, developers and reviewers in the community fall short and tend to confuse folks with slang and derivations that make no sense. ProVape does NOT fall into this category.
Examples:
LR - Low Res - Low Resistance, pretty close to meaningful but still lacks specificity... LR to one person may mean something under 10K ohms -
Regular or Medium Resistance, now we are out in a gray zone
HR High Res - High Resistance, this one is way out there - 10 meg ohms ? No one with any technical background would even guess that some would call High Resistance ~ 3.0 to 4.0 ohms High Resistance (Ever)
The same can be said for voltage - really - 4.2 ... 6.0 volts - Hmm Do u call your bike or car battery High Voltage 12.6 - 14.2Vdc? of course not!
Recently I viewed an e-cig video review where the reviewer called WATTS 'WAZES' OMG
My favorite one is when folks discuss current and call milliampere-hour (mAh or mA·h), 'MAZ', WTH is a 'MAZ' maybe mills but MAAAZZZ I don't think so.
The community having a language all its own and weird representation of standards that have been around for ~ 200 years may not be a good thing. As more and more advanced devices and people are introduced to this wonderful smoking alternative hopefully gaining broader acceptance we should consider proper use of terminology and technical specification.
Soap box off
Happy Thanksgiving to all.
Three cheers for ProVape ingenuity
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