Provari...why?

[Metalhed2434]

Yes yes I know, it has been said over and over and over again. Please let me first state clearly, I am not here to start anything, or say ANYTHING negative about the Provari, I only have one question that I cannot find the answers to. I creep these forums constantly trying to find my next mod! So far the Provari is winning, but I really cannot justify the price tag right now....BUT what I want to know is WHY it is actually better in terms of how it does what it does...So hard to word my question, I know it is worth the money because of the exceptional build quality, warranty, USA made, etc etc, I have read it all! I have been using a Vamo V2 for a few months and I know exactly why it is $40.00 it is good not great, and just decent. I know the build quality is no where near that of a Provari, but assuming I do not change any of my tank/carto/atty set ups, and I buy and vape with a Provari, is it going to make my flavor better, is it going to be less hard on my atomizer heads? (which I seem to burn out like crazy...) That is all I want to know! I have mini's and use ego's while at work, but when I come home I am fine with having a huge mod, it literally stays on my desk...doesn't go anywhere else. So it could be made of glass for all I care, it does not need to be durable. That being said, is it worth the extra dough? Or is it just more durable? I just can't seem to lock down a consistent vape for any of my stuff, it is great, then it's not, back and forth, even with the ego's so it may be my tanks etc...I am rambling at this point, I just want to know if it is going to improve the taste of my juice/vapor production , or if it is soley just more durable and has a warranty.

Please don't bring forth the Provari loving hammer of god on me! I have nothing negative to say about them at all, just want to know if it is worth it for my "homebase" only APV.

Thanks!

 

[Papadragon]

No it's all the same vv is vv vw is vw the witch the new provari has I'm not a fan boy of the proveri hell I can't even spell it rite yes all of what you said is true better build warranty all that and it's one year warranty 2 if u buy it no it will not make your juice taste better or your atomizer last longer get a rda if u don't like the $ down the craper replacing the heads so no it does not change a thing and in 18350 mode the vamo is realy not all that big

 

[Leithan]

As far as taste, I can only tell at lower resistances, like 1.3-1.8ish and with lighter flavored juice. Some say they can taste a big difference. Me, not so much. I have noticed my coils last a lot longer, when you set a provari at 3.6 volts, that's what you get, a steady 3.6 volts. Most other VV/VW mods pulse a voltage generally higher then the set voltage. You can hear it on your vamo, the buzzing noise. Again I can't really taste if the imparts off flavors or not, but I can't imagine it's any good for the coils either. There is a really long and drawn out thread in the Provari section that shows a Provari and a Vamo on a Oscope. Really in-depth, if you can stay awake for it.
Anyways this is what Provape calls it:

ProVari with AccuSet™ technology - Our built-in dynamic self-calibration algorithm keeps the output voltage accurate to 1% or better over the life of the product. The ProVari will constantly monitor and adjust itself to ensure you always get accurate voltage settings. Now a ProVari owner can tell another ProVari owner to try a certain voltage setting with their favorite brand and flavor of e-liquid and the flavor experience can be shared.
Every device will autotune itself so it's always precise!

Other then Provari ( I think DNA20 and Nivel is pretty similar) none of the 33-chip devices will give true constant voltage at the atty.

 

[Metalhed2434]

Yes, the consistency is the one thing I have heard, Just wasn't as sure exactly how much of a difference it made...You all know how it is...I just want the best! I like the convenience of my ProTanks, but after trying other stuff the flavor is just sooo muted. I have even tried rebuilding the coils with 3mm Silica and 32 Gauge Kanthal...Works phenomenally, other than the insane burnt flavor that seems to accompany each coil I rebuild. I have torched the wire beforehand, and have gotten the coil spacing down fairly well, but I cant get that taste to go away! I really don't mind the Vamo, I just hate having all these awesome juices, and not getting anywhere near their full potential. The only time my flavor truly shines is in a carto, or when I just drip into the carto itself, but that is just too much headache! Anything else you would suggest tank wise? Or any tips for rebuilding? I would like to pick up an AGA T and try some rebuildables, I just don't know how well it would work (being that I would have to wrap at least a 1.8 ohm coil...I dunno, I feel like 3 months of time, countless money and research, would have netted me much more. I really don't feel like my vape has improved all that much from when I just had an ego twist and the iclear 16's. Maybe I just don't get it! Sorry to turn this into a vent session, I am just kind of frustrated!

 

[Leithan]

Try micro or mini coils and cotton in your protank, they work really well, plenty of flavor and throat hit. Just remember that micro and mini coils heat really quick, so if you wrap them from anything higher then 32g, you run the risk of burning juice. I vape dark tobacco juices, they are really forgiving of voltage. The only time I really tasted the difference between a vamo and a provari was with some Pink Spot "Peach Green Tea" Really light flavor, I could not get it to vape for anything, I kept getting a burny taste, 3 days later my Provari arrived, vaped the same juice in the same device and it was great. I wouldn't buy a Provari for a juice. It was all the checks in the plus column that led me to buy one in the end.

 

[Metalhed2434]

I will get one eventually...they are obviously the best out there. Maybe at the 6 month quit mark as a reward, as of now I have only been off analogs for 3 months or so. How does the cotton work? I have read some negative stuff on them concerning the safety (apparently if you get a dry hit, it destroys your lungs/throat or something to that effect) I am not sure, but certainly don't need that! Do you need to use a certain kind of cotton? Or just general cotton balls or something? I guess that is why I have been reluctant lol, don't wanna hurt myself ha ha. Forgive my ignorance, but what are micro/mini coils? I really do appreciate the help!

Thanks!

 

[Leithan]

Not sure about all that, I use organic sterile rolled cotton. It can't possibly be worse then silica. If you burn it, there's no mistaking what you did. It tastes awful, and it's pretty unlikely you will inhale much if any. Cotton works fine, you will burn the juice before you burn the cotton. It works just like any wick material. If you have problems from an occasional dry hit, I would fix that first. I use cotton in my Reo and Drippers, all my rebuildable devices use cotton, Iv never had an issue with it. When it comes to maintenance time, you just pull the old wick out, dry burn and replace with a new one. I think the performance out weighs the little extra hassle.

 

[Jaguar07]

I'll try to be concise and to the point.

I own the following devices: Ego-C Twist, Lava Tube 1.5 VV, Vamo V3 OLED in Chrome VV/VW, and Two satin V2 Provaris.

All of my devices get the job done. I can vape with any one of them.

What does the Provari offer that the others lack?

1) The Provari vapes smoother. The Vamo's oscillator is somewhere between 33Hz and 100Hz. The Provari is 800Hz. Why does that matter? It makes your hit smooth and solid throughout from the millisecond you press the button until about a millisecond after you release it, you get a steady stream of vapor if your tank, carto, clearo, whatever top device, is up to the task and loaded up. Tanks, cartos, clearos that may not have seemed up to the task with a Vamo, will perform more consistently with the Provari.

2) It's built like a tank. It feels solid and substantial in your hand when you vape it.

3) It's made in the United States of America.

If the cost is your primary concern, buy a blem. I have one "normal" unit, in satin with the blue LED. I have one "blem" in satin with the red LED. The blem unit has an extremely small dimple, that is finished correctly, just a minor tiny ding, and the color of the finish on my blem does not match the color of my first quality unit. The 18650 extension cap does NOT match either unit's finish exactly so it really doesn't make much difference. You save a pretty decent chunk of cash on the blem units and there is nothing wrong with them functionally, just aesthitically not perfect.

 

[The Ocelot]

It's odd (or maybe not), smoother was just the word I was going to type. I've been vaping my ProVari and Vamo V2 back to back (I have a tank on the ProVari and I'm dripping an LR306 on the Vamo) and there is a definite difference. I have tons of vapor from both, the flavor is lovely, but there is something else with the ProVari. There is a reason phrases like je ne sais quoi exist.

I really dislike these types of threads, since when I can't come up with an acceptable adjective I'm labeled a fangirl, told I've fallen for hype or told I'm fooling myself to justify spending too much money. Wake up kids! Factoring in batteries and a charger, I probably did spend $200.00, but that's not a lot of money to me. If I wanted 5 Vamos I could buy 5 Vamos, that still wouldn't equal whatever it is I like about the ProVari. I could also sell my house and buy 2 in another part of town, but I wouldn't like it as much either.

If you want a ProVari, get one. If you don't want a ProVari, don't get one. If you want to know why ProVari owners like them so much, just look at the thread titles in the ProVari sub-forum. I'm not saying there aren't other devices people like as well or better, I prefer dripping with the Vamo for example, but people who have ProVaris enjoy them.

 

[Leithan]

I think it should be Fanperson, so as to not offend men, women, felines,.........

 

[EddardinWinter]

As an owner of both the Vamo and the ProVari my opinion is as follows:

The ProVari is better than a Vamo in every way that matters. Unless you are vaping over 3.5 amps (almost nobody is) there is nothing the Vamo does as well as a ProVari. The voltage is smooth and consistent from the first to the last puff on a battery when you use a ProVari.

Sure, the Vamo has VW. But it adjusts in clunky 0.5 watt increments. If you want VW, get an eVic and handle it with care.

Now the Vamo is a fine 'introductory' mod. It is a great first mod with a minimal investment. But it really just cannot compare to a ProVari.

 

[dr g]

Yes yes I know, it has been said over and over and over again. Please let me first state clearly, I am not here to start anything, or say ANYTHING negative about the Provari, I only have one question that I cannot find the answers to. I creep these forums constantly trying to find my next mod! So far the Provari is winning, but I really cannot justify the price tag right now....BUT what I want to know is WHY it is actually better in terms of how it does what it does...So hard to word my question, I know it is worth the money because of the exceptional build quality, warranty, USA made, etc etc, I have read it all! I have been using a Vamo V2 for a few months and I know exactly why it is $40.00 it is good not great, and just decent. I know the build quality is no where near that of a Provari, but assuming I do not change any of my tank/carto/atty set ups, and I buy and vape with a Provari, is it going to make my flavor better, is it going to be less hard on my atomizer heads? (which I seem to burn out like crazy...) That is all I want to know! I have mini's and use ego's while at work, but when I come home I am fine with having a huge mod, it literally stays on my desk...doesn't go anywhere else. So it could be made of glass for all I care, it does not need to be durable. That being said, is it worth the extra dough? Or is it just more durable? I just can't seem to lock down a consistent vape for any of my stuff, it is great, then it's not, back and forth, even with the ego's so it may be my tanks etc...I am rambling at this point, I just want to know if it is going to improve the taste of my juice/vapor production , or if it is soley just more durable and has a warranty.

Please don't bring forth the Provari loving hammer of god on me! I have nothing negative to say about them at all, just want to know if it is worth it for my "homebase" only APV.

Thanks!

The very largest difference is in fact the build quality/durability and the warranty. The electronics, though marginally better on the provari, largely do the same thing. If you are burning out heads now you likely will on the provari as well, it does nothing that would help that. A well-built head run at a wattage it can handle should not burn out for a long time on pretty much any device.

 

[Technonut]

I always see folks trying to "justify" the cost of a Provari, and roll my eyes.. Before I quit smoking around 3 years ago, I was going through a carton a week @ $55.00. ($220.00 a month) What did I have to show for for the multi-thousands of dollars spent over many years? Empty cig packs, ashes, and butts...

I always managed to buy cigs / cigars, and just put the amount I spent on those a month toward my vape-budget. I would have been spending that amount anyway. With the vape-gear, at least I have something to show for the $$ spent. Hell, If I buy a quality device, and don't like it, I can sell it on the classies here and make most of the $$ back. Try selling empty cig packs, ashes, and butts.. Try putting as much $$ in vaping as done while smoking at first... Get a quality device to begin with once committed to vaping... Treat yourself to something durable and nice... When you buy quality, you only cry once..

I found this state-by-state cost of cigs info: What A Pack Of Cigarettes Costs, State By State - The Awl

This list has been updated with new data in July of 2013! Click here for the latest!


51. West Virginia: $4.74
50. Louisiana: $4.82
49. North Dakota: $4.91
48. Kentucky: $4.97
47. Idaho: $4.99
46. California: $5.19
45. Alabama: $5.27
44. Georgia: $5.29
43. South Carolina: $5.42
41-42. Indiana, Wyoming: $5.50
40. North Carolina: $5.51
38-39. Nebraska, Virginia: $5.55
37. Tennessee: $5.56
36. Missouri: $5.58
35. Oregon: $5.59
34. Mississippi: $5.75
33. New Hampshire: $5.87
32. Nevada: $5.95
30-31. Arkansas, Colorado: $5.96
29. Montana: $5.99
26-28. Delaware, Iowa, Kansas: $6.00
25. South Dakota: $6.03
24. Texas: $6.07
23. Florida: $6.08
22. Oklahoma: $6.19
21. Ohio: $6.22
20. Minnesota: $6.53
19. Maryland: $6.70
18. Pennsylvania: $6.80
17. Arizona: $6.87
16. New Mexico: $6.88
15. Michigan: $6.90
14. Utah: $7.22
13. Maine: $7.97
12. Washington, D.C.: $7.99
11. Wisconsin: $8.11
10. Vermont: $8.23
9. Connecticut: $8.25
8. Massachusetts: $8.30
7. New Jersey: $8.35
6. Rhode Island: $8.60
5. Alaska: $9.14
4. Illinois: $9.67
3. Hawaii: $9.73
2. Washington: $9.89
1. New York: $11.90


Methodology: Prices were obtained by calling a gas station in each state's most populous city and asking the clerk for the price of a pack of Marlboro Reds with tax. Memphis, Tenn., was toughest (nine phone calls). The gas station in Milwaukee, Wis., had the only employee who ended the conversation with "have a good one."

 

[brockadams]

You won't really know till you own one..

 

[Sackskin]

I can tell you this....I have both the vamo v2 and the provari v2.5 ... I haven't used the vamo in over a month.

 

[It's Only Me]

I always see folks trying to "justify" the cost of a Provari, and roll my eyes.. Before I quit smoking around 3 years ago, I was going through a carton a week @ $55.00. ($220.00 a month) What did I have to show for for the multi-thousands of dollars spent over many years? Empty cig packs, ashes, and butts...

I always managed to buy cigs / cigars, and just put the amount I spent on those a month toward my vape-budget. I would have been spending that amount anyway. With the vape-gear, at least I have something to show for the $$ spent. Hell, If I buy a quality device, and don't like it, I can sell it on the classies here and make most of the $$ back. Try selling empty cig packs, ashes, and butts.. Try putting as much $$ in vaping as done while smoking at first... Get a quality device to begin with once committed to vaping... Treat yourself to something durable and nice... When you buy quality, you only cry once..

I found this state-by-state cost of cigs info: What A Pack Of Cigarettes Costs, State By State - The Awl

Darn good point.
Forget the mechanical/electrical factors. That's been discussed a million times. Your still ahead $$ wise buying a ProVari.
At least I am living in the $11.90 a pack state and buying a ton of juices 'just to try em'.

And...they work REALLY good.

 

[Orb Skewer]

"Because your worth it" !
There is a chance to win them sometimes-free
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[EddardinWinter]

The very largest difference is in fact the build quality/durability and the warranty. The electronics, though marginally better on the provari, largely do the same thing. If you are burning out heads now you likely will on the provari as well, it does nothing that would help that. A well-built head run at a wattage it can handle should not burn out for a long time on pretty much any device.

They absolutely do not do the same thing. There is absolutely no comparison between the electronics in a Vamo and in a ProVari. Look at the outputs for both in the PB video reviews and tell me they are doing the same thing. The Vamo puts out 0 V and 6 V at specified intervals with its 33 Hz chip to make its VV work. In other words, to get 4 V from a Vamo, you get 0 volts 1/3 of the time, and 6 volts 2/3 of the time. Additionally, the Vamo's output is greatly influenced by the power level of the batteries. So the actual output can be 5, 10, or 15% off.

With a ProVari, if you set that output to 4 volts, you get 4 volts +/- 1% delivered the entire time the battery is being used to fire the device, period. If you ever put your device on a meter and see otherwise, send it to ProVape and they will correct it immediately with no questions asked. Most service is handled in a way that the device is only away from the customer for one week, and the average cost for this is about 20 dollars after the warranty period. I have heard many stories of ProVaris being out of warranty (or damaged by non-warranty incidents) and ProVape not charging for the service.

 

[zoiDman]

"46. California: $5.19"

Wow... Must have called a station that had them On Sale. LOL

 

[Zak Rabbit]

One thing not mentioned yet is the build quality of the chip itself. I had a vmaxx that was about $100 cheaper. While it worked, I loved it. I'm not the best with my units, it did get dropped a few times, and I'm not going to bash the unit. But once it died, I did a "post mortem," and found the chip was not much larger than a postage stamp with an integrated micro switch. In all honesty, I haven't seen the chip in the Provari, but I'd be willing to bet it's built much like the rest of the unit, with nice fat traces and higher quality components. There's even evidence that the electronics are sealed, taking into account the stories including it being dropped in water and still working.

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