I think maybe you misunderstand most people, I think.. it's not about technology for those who want to simply not smoke. But what your misunderstanding might be what we saw over the last year or two.
You guys got into provape early... and then you all stuck to your little clatches, and most didn't hear from you much.
I came into this forum a year after I began vaping. At that point, I knew I was going to vape as I'd been doing so for a year, and I knew there was enough on the market to upgrade to something.. but there was SO much on the market the question really was.. to what does one upgrade to.. when the essentials of what they are vaping actually works for them.
When i came here, when it came to provari I heard stuff like.. "oh I have a provari and use it sometimes, but I LOVE my pico I bought for 20.00 and use that all the time".. or.. "provari sucks"...
Then, you'd see the occasional, I dropped my provari down concrete steps and picked it up and it fired right up like I never dropped it.
It seemed, from reading comments, that the provari was indestructible.. but no better a vape than my ego. What NO ONE was saying, was that is WAS a better vape, an upgrade to an ego.
To hear people talk, if you wanted a better vaping experience you had to go off into box mod land.. and so I tried it, hated it, picked my ego back up and stayed there..
I figured, as I was invested in vaping, that for the longevity I may someday get a provari just to try it, but I had never expected a better vape from it, just a greater durability.. and even then, I was worried I was only buying a name, since it seemed so clicky, with only a few seeming to really like it. It seemed nearly a status symbol, and for that I just wasnt sure the investment was worth it... after all, I could buy a new ego once a year for 10 bucks or so and be, seemingly, just as happy with the vape.
So I wanted to try it, but wasn't in a big hurry to throw big bucks towards it...
When your looking at 200 for a piece compared to 10-20, you look at what people say who have owned one, or know more about them, and you really pay attention to what those people say.
When the biggest selling point is having it work after dropping it, the near 200 dollar difference seems more status symbol, unless you plan on dropping your device a lot.
Had people been running around saying it was a better VAPE.. I would have bought one the SECOND I heard it.. but I never heard it.
In this environment, where there are thousands of other, cheaper things out there, I think that in and of itself was detrimental.. how many are like me out there? Probably a lot.. and none/not many of us heard provari was a better vape.. only that it had longevity and you could drop it..
When you can replace your device for 10, that's not the biggest selling point you need to push.. people are in this for the vape.. and not everyone is all thumbs..
Robin sent me her Provari not long after she got it. The 510 connection snapped off and I was trying to fix it for her (she had it unbelievably screwed up like only Robin can do and it had to go to ProVape for a new top). First time I held a Provari. The very first impression that came to my mind was CONFIDENCE. I just knew that sucker would fire every time, all the time, and the same way each time. I had been using Lavatubes and SDVs (or was it SVDs). Didn't compare. Those LTs and SDVs were clanky, rickety, and had minds of their own. They never lasted but a few months. Just got tired of it. Hello Provari! Never looked back.
And the Provari did provide a better vape. Those cheap Chinese models used pulse width modulation at low frequencies while the Provari used PWM at very high frequencies. The low frequency would burn the e-liquid (for technical reasons I wont get into here). Always had to mess with the voltage setting. Not so with the Provari.
I'm not sure, but sometimes I think there are posters here who have stock/are paid by other companies? Sometimes it seems that way..
But then, sometimes I worry I sound like I'm being paid.. hahaha..
But yeah.. there is that. There are those who swear provari is nothing more than a name..
For someone resistant to change and for someone whose largest steps are incremental at most it came as a surprise that you went from a Twist to a Provari.I also remembering you recommending the Vamo. I was quite resistant to going that route. I had my eye on the prothingy, as I took to calling it back then.
Oh! There were threads out in the forum. Oh my god were there! This was before I became a moderator and man....I'm so glad I wasn't one back then! Whew!
Talk about contentious threads. So many were getting shut down. People were recommending Provari to new members then the other camp (there were only two camps back then...the pro Provari and everyone else) would step in. Soon it was just those two groups battling and the OP was never heard from again.
Good times.
And I still thank you for trying!! That's when I knew I would always need a backup Provari. Oh boy! I still have that original and it's been fitted with the P3 top. It still works. It's nick name is 'Boo-boo Blue'.
I remember you marveling over the feel of the device. Glad I could contribute to the enabling process.
I also remembering you recommending the Vamo. I was quite resistant to going that route. I had my eye on the prothingy, as I took to calling it back then.
If anyone is found to be working for a particular company and shilling it out in the forum, they get banned. We do not take kindly to suppliers posting outside of the suppliers area. This ensures that members are getting information first hand from people that actually have used the devices.
It's a rule that is strictly enforced. There are several ways we can figure these types out. Posting history is only a part of it.![]()
What you didn't know: I had been doing the research on vaping. Read tons and tons of threads. The Provari was just getting out there and from the people that were using it had nothing but good thoughts.For someone resistant to change and for someone whose largest steps are incremental at most it came as a surprise that you went from a Twist to a Provari.
I was hesitant to buy a Provari. When I signed up for ECF I made my first post basically saying hello. Got a reply telling me I should get a Provari and made me feel if I didn't I was a loser. I copped an attitude for ProVape right out of the gate.
Those threads were what got me into the ProVari as well KAS. I used to wade through the BS in them and actually leaned a lot from the more versed posters. At that point I had a Lavatube and an MVP, and thought I was set, Lavatube for at home and MVP for out and about. I would only use drippers on the Lavatube because with them I wouldn't get the rattlesnakeWith all the talk about the Provari hater's, it reminded me of how I became interested in the Provari in the first place. I really got my first cigalike on Thanksgiving of 2012, and was intrigued. It had a poor battery and the cartridges ran out too fast. I got a couple more on Xmas 2012, and realized that I could use them to reduce my smoking, and possibly save some of the cash I was spending on Cigars. In February I found a shop here called Indy Vapor shop, and over the next few months I got some ego's then the e-vic. Sometime a few months later, I discovered ECF and of course was reading and posting in the E-Vic Sub-Forum. It was sometime later that I started seeing threads discussing the Provari, and a lot of the threads were getting closed, and even some members were getting banned. After seeing all the arguments about it, I just figured I would order one, and see what all the fuss was about. Last night and part of today, I was trying to find the thread that inspired me to get it, but I couldn't find it. I did find a post by me though, on the day my first Provari was out for delivery, post number 7, Date 7-3-2013.
Like so many others... I took the dive!
So my official quit date was on 4-19-2013, and just 4 months later I bought my first Provari. All the hater threads that I saw back then actually got me to buy one.
KAS
Those threads were what got me into the ProVari as well KAS. I used to wade through the BS in them and actually leaned a lot from the more versed posters. At that point I had a Lavatube and an MVP, and thought I was set, Lavatube for at home and MVP for out and about. I would only use drippers on the Lavatube because with them I wouldn't get the rattlesnake
Of course, back then I was still also using a Steel Jan inspired Altoids tin box mod I had made, It was running three NIMH cells in seriesit has since been retro fitted for an AW 18490 cell and still works.
Those threads were entertaining, and educational for me, because the really knowledgable posters were talking about PWM, amps and watts, it made me learn more about electricity and what the specs of the devices actually meant. It made me a safer vaper.
Then I got a Silver regular ProVari with blue LED and a two year warranty . Never looked back, got a backup and KNEW I was all set. I didn't really look seriously at any new regulated devices from that point on because I had something that did the job and I could count on it just working.
I also had gotten a backup MVP, and at some point along the way, it got PIF'd to a local vapor in need, because it was just collecting dust on the shelf. A lot of folks were going for higher wattage devices and lots of them were selling their ProVari's off in the classies, so I hung out stalking them
It was fun trying
A lot of folks were going for higher wattage devices and lots of them were selling their ProVari's off in the classies, so I hung out stalking them
It was fun trying to spot the deals and grab them quick back then. Good times...
Yup, more than once I muttered under my breathI was also a serious used ProVari stalker back then. I no doubt scooped a few you were stalking in the classies ... and vice versa.
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