Purchasing Nicotine

[StringBean30]

Hi All,

Looking to buy another bottle of Nicotine as I'm almost out. I usually purchase the 100mg stuff from MFS but have heard some good reports on the Nude Nicotine nic, for people who have purchased it here before how do you rate it?

Also I'm slightly concerned about the description it mentions that its pure nicotine, is this the stuff that is really dangerous to use?

Regards,
StringBean30

 

[dannyv45]

It's smoother then MFS and as long as you order the 100mg strength NIC It will be the same strength as you've used previously.

 

[Jdurand]

As Danny said, as long as you order 100MG strength it will be just as safe as your last batch. Me, I can't get my head around spending two to three times as much. I couldn't really taste a difference between the two. I use MFS as well, but tried the other in a sample. I use nic in 6mg to 3mg final mixes. if you use a higher nic, maybe some difference in flavor would be noticeable.

 

[JCinFLA]

I agree with danny45 above. The Nude Nicotine is IMO not only smoother, but also doesn't have any of the "peppery" taste I got from MFS 100mg/mL nic base I ordered from them.

Wizard Labs 100mg/mL Nic base is very good, too, IMO, and is nearly identical to NN in being very high quality. It is usually alittle less costly than the NN though. Also RTS vapes nic base is very good IMO.

I've purchased some from all of the above before, and would highly recommend all again except for the MFS, unless you like vaping tobacco flavorings. Many who vape them seem to like the slightly peppery taste of theirs. I don't vape any tobaccos though, so it's not for me.

 

[CagedSpam]

Another of NN bonuses is for a small price increase you can get a more shelf/freezer stable container.

For the long haul.

 

[StringBean30]

So whats the deal with the Nude Armor v1 v2 v3 is it worth the extra $$$,

I was just going to get this one:

100mg/mL Nicotine Base - Nude Nicotine

 

[SteveS45]

I use NicSelct from Liquid Barn because it is odorless and tasteless. Never tried the others mentioned because I have been 100% pleased with it.

 

[JCinFLA]

I was just going to get this one:

100mg/mL Nicotine Base - Nude Nicotine

That's the same nic base of theirs that I got, (just a different size in 100%VG), and it was great, IMO. Never tried or bought their other versions, since that one was great and costs less.

 

[tokarev]

So whats the deal with the Nude Armor v1 v2 v3 is it worth the extra $$$,

Nude Armor is pre-packaged for freezer storage. It comes in glass bottles and is ready to go directly into your freezer for long term storage. If you are going to use the nic right away there is no need to pay for this packaging, but if you are going to store it in the freezer and don't want to repackage it yourself it is an easy option. The 3 versions just have different methods of preventing oxidation. V1 is argon purged, V2 is vacuum sealed (you use a syringe to extract), and V3 is chemically stabilized with ascorbic acid (vitamin C).

 

[Katya]

Nude Armor is pre-packaged for freezer storage. It comes in glass bottles and is ready to go directly into your freezer for long term storage. If you are going to use the nic right away there is no need to pay for this packaging, but if you are going to store it in the freezer and don't want to repackage it yourself it is an easy option. The 3 versions just have different methods of preventing oxidation. V1 is argon purged, V2 is vacuum sealed (you use a syringe to extract), and V3 is chemically stabilized with ascorbic acid (vitamin C).

Right. ^What he said.

So whats the deal with the Nude Armor v1 v2 v3 is it worth the extra $$$,

I was just going to get this one:

100mg/mL Nicotine Base - Nude Nicotine

I have 1L of Armor (with and without argon--no ascorbic acid one--Kurt says that the benefit of AA is kinda doubtful) neatly packaged in 125 ml amber glass bottles ready for the Apocalypse. It was well worth the price for me--and I only shop at NN on Black Friday, 30% off. I love their nic--it's exceptionally clean and smooth. And you can choose your preferred concentration and diluent.

 

[IDJoel]

I have 1L of Armor (with and without argon--no ascorbic acid one--Kurt says that the benefit of AA is kinda doubtful)

I wonder if the ascorbic acid has any salt conversion as the conversation in the Nicotine Comparisons thread has recently been discussing. At only 0.01w/v% of ascorbic acid I would guess there is not much available for conversion to begin with. But, if it does, does that affect the ascorbic acid's antioxidant properties/benefits? If it doesn't; does that mean that nicotine salts are inherently more stable (because of the addition of citric/ascorbic/? acid)?

 

[Katya]

I wonder if the ascorbic acid has any salt conversion as the conversation in the Nicotine Comparisons thread has recently been discussing. At only 0.01w/v% of ascorbic acid I would guess there is not much available for conversion to begin with. But, if it does, does that affect the ascorbic acid's antioxidant properties/benefits? If it doesn't; does that mean that nicotine salts are inherently more stable (because of the addition of citric/ascorbic/? acid)?

I'll let Kurt respond.

Ascorbic acid will react with O2, so maybe this is their strategy, but I don't know if it reacts with O2 faster than nicotine does. It will probably compete, however.

They claim a 0.01 w/v% of ascorbic acid. In 50 mL of base, this will be 5 mg ascorbic acid, or 2.8x10^-5 moles, which can react with, at most the same number of moles of O2. If that many moles of O2 reacted with nic, it would oxidize 4.7 mg of nic. This could, in principle, take care of the much of the O2 that is intrinsic with headspace and dissolved O2. But it is not enough to keep reacting with any additional incoming O2, I don't think. Once an asc acid molecule reacts, that's it, and it will not continue to scavenge O2. So it will not help with plastic bottles leaching O2 into them over long term. Ok with glass, I suppose. Shouldn't be enough to lower the pH much, so titration tests for nic concentration should be unchanged compared to without asc acid.

If you can notice 4.7 mg of oxidized nic in a 50 mL bottle of 100 mg/mL, then it might be worth it. For my taste, it is overkill, however.

I wonder if they did these calculations.

 

[IDJoel]

I'll let Kurt respond.

Thank you.