Pure Concentrated Flavor with No PG

[buffaloguy]

Checkin in.... So I ordered early friday a.m. Id expect that one bottle would have got shipped that day but... nope. I contacted them 4:30p.m. Monday and finally heard back. They said it was shipping that afternoon and said they would include a small size of another flavor for the inconvienience so I told them to send either mango or peach along with the cherry.

The customer service person said the reasoning for not having smaller sizes was that "all those smaller bottles are much harder to fill". Lol... I think they need more encouragement from vapers to do smaller sizes.

All in all... still waiting. It prolly didnt even ship till today. I still have no tracking number. I did not get an auto generated email with a tracking number yet... or know if I will. It could be in the mail or sitting on a desk still, no idea.

The shipping experience leaves a little to be desired but then again, mistakes happen. Just thought Id update my experience thus far.

 

[buffaloguy]

Another update. Recieved traking info I asked for last night, this a.m. Was not a site auto generated email, but rather the rep sending the usps tracking info from the usps site. Im guessing they dont have auto generation of shipping info.

So much for two day shipping which I did request. Apparently it was shipped the evening of the 4th but wont be here till Friday the 8th. Looks like their 2day option is plain ol priority mail.

So, whoever orders from them I suggest you allow more rhan the stated time for it to ship.

 

[tiburonfirst]

thanks for the update, buffalo! at least it is on the way to you now!

 

[Sedateme]

I've got to see how this turns out. If the flavors are good, it will be an incredible value. 1 drop for a 30 ml bottle? That would be a ton of juice out of that 15 ml bottle of flavoring.

 

[Leothwyn]

I hope they work out. Some of those sound really good. I saw someone on that FB group saying that the vanilla is good... I think that would be my first investment. Can't have too many good vanillas.

 

[buffaloguy]

The question I have is how should I test it when it comes in? Being that its kinda unknown do I start with 30ml of plain VG? (i vape all vg, sans flavoring).

I do most of my testing of new flavors in much smaller amounts than 30ml. If I do it as one drop in 5ml or 10ml, and it is really that concentrated I may still be overflavoring to the point of no flavor at all....or not flavoring enuff and it isnt as concentrated as has been stated.... I dont wanna get stuck in a loop with it testing wise.

Salem can you pm me the thread you saw elsewhere about these? Maybe I can get some background from what others may have done. I can do my homework before it arrives. Thanks.

 

[salemgold]

I will send it to you, BG. It is at FB in the DIY section. It was just two people talking about how much they like them and use 1 drop per 30 ml to get good flavor. Another person stated more recently that they like strong flavor and use 4 drops per 10 ml

If it were me testing these flavors, I would start with 10 ml of my base and add 1 drop at a time.
You may be able to tell a lot by the smell. Some people can't judge by smell but I have found that it works well for me.

Let me go find the link and I will PM you.

Oh, and I am so glad that you picked Mango. I am interested in that one. Plus, now you will have two flavors to judge these from Still sorry about the shipping delay. We need to tell these people to get on the ball if the flavors are good. They have an entire niche out here that they are missing out on lol

 

[salemgold]

I am still looking but just found this at FB. I hope it copies well here

2 more medicine flowers came in today - Pom & Vanilla!!!!! The Pom doesn't smell like pom, hope it tastes like it.
Like · · Follow Post · May 4 at 10:06pm

3 people like this.
Ann Smith It tastes good!!! Really good
May 5 at 8:51am · Like · 1
Ann Smith I put 4 drops in - I'm going to double it for the 30, I want a little more flavor
May 5 at 8:52am · Like
Ann Smith And, the vanilla smells good enough to eat!!!

There are a few DIY sections that I will have to look through to find what I read originally. I have to go for a bit but, I will find it later and send it to you.

 

[Ghostrider]

subscribing

 

[salemgold]

I am keeping my fingers crossed on these for a special friend that is not able to tolerate any PG or alcohol in her flavors.

Thanks for taking one for the team, BG

 

[buffaloguy]

Well I DO NOT KNOW HOW but about 5 minutes after my last post the USPS delivery guy dropped off the flavorings... Not sure why but the tracking info I got wasnt worth a dime.

It did indeed arrive. I told em the sample could be peach or mango, they sent peach. 1 dram.

Im mixing. To the nose peach smells good. The cherry smells like tpa marachino cherry, not a good sign imo. Will post back with details soon.

 

[tiburonfirst]

fingers crossed!

 

[buffaloguy]

Welp... Im thinkin these might need a day to develop.

I made a 10ml batch of peach and the cherry. 80%vg/20% (1% flv, 3% em, rest dw.) 2 drops of each flv in each batch. Gave em both a hot water bath for 20mins and returned to room temp.

To me, weak on both counts. The cherry is weaker than the peach. I added 2 more drops to each batch... stronger but still no POP, but the peach is closer to vapable.

The cherry is very similar to tpa marachino cherry (pg), but without the aftertaste the tpa cherry has. Frankly, you could swap one for the other flavorwise and you may not even notice. However, I did put a few drops of my cherry juice on some poly plastic to see if it would degrade it like the tpa one does, and there was no reaction with the plastic that I could see. Thats a plus.

I wanna let these sit overnight and Ill post back tomorrow. My impressions may be different then, besides it could be my tastebuds also.

More to follow. Oh, and dont question where your shipment is or you'll eventually get a nasty email from the owner about how your tiny order has already taken to much time and isnt worth the money they made on it because they had to reply to two emails about their lousy shipping issues and where your items are... smh.

 

[wolcen]

More to follow. Oh, and dont question where your shipment is or you'll eventually get a nasty email from the owner about how your tiny order has already taken to much time and isnt worth the money they made on it because they had to reply to two emails about their lousy shipping issues and where your items are... smh.

Hmmm...I sent an email off to them last week and haven't heard anything. Beginning to form the opinion they aren't too interested in vaping customers.

 

[buffaloguy]

I went to town on em via email frankly, but in a nice and professional way and basically said, "thats no way to treat a customer under any circumstances". Id post what was actually written but I prefer to stay on topic. I will say it did take two emails just to get any tracking info and what I was given was obviously not correct.

Anyways, they are steeping. The peach seems okay but its still weak and frankly I can already tell its not better than tpa's juicy peach. However for those that are totally pg intolerant it may be an option.

I do not know what their carrier base is. There's literally no ingredients on the bottles. It says:

Ingredient: 100% genuine flavor extract
Concentrated - with no additives or fillers
Use 1-5 drops per serving as desired.
Wildcrafted or Sustainable

Not sure what the last line means. Im not sure who said 1 drop per 30ml, but whoever they are must like almost no flavor in their e juice. Even at four drops cherry is barely discernable. Its there, but not vivid at all. Peach isnt very peachy or vivid either.

Maybe Ive done something wrong with it. Im kinda alone on this one without anyone else having it to work with.

We will see what tomorrow brings. I can always go back to scratch and start over.

 

[tiburonfirst]

thanks, buffalo, for being our guinea pig!

strange that no indication is given as to carrier base and again it looks as if our searching is not done

 

[Leothwyn]

The question I have is how should I test it when it comes in? Being that its kinda unknown do I start with 30ml of plain VG? (i vape all vg, sans flavoring).

I do most of my testing of new flavors in much smaller amounts than 30ml. If I do it as one drop in 5ml or 10ml, and it is really that concentrated I may still be overflavoring to the point of no flavor at all....

It looks like these aren't as concentrated as they were supposed to be. Sorry to hear that. But, this might be useful in the future...
When I have a really strong flavor, I like to pre-dilute it to leave more room for fine tuning in recipes. Mix a bottle of flavoring at 10% in pg or vg and label it Cherry 10. Using 10% make the math easy. Whatever percent you planned on using with the original flavor, just add a zero. .4% becomes 4%, or 1 drop in 30ml becomes 1 drop in 3ml.

 

[salemgold]

Hmmm I was thinking about trying the pomegranate or mango but if their customer service is that bad on top of their high prices, I may not bother. I am able to use PG but was hoping that these may have been a good alternative for those that can't tolerate it at all

Thanks for trying them, BG. I am sorry that they did not work out. I am not really surprised that a cherry pie filling flavor would taste like maraschino cherries though.

 

[buffaloguy]

Leothwyn, Im going to try that suggestion. I suppose if its way over concentrated then maybe one drop in 10ml is way too much and its over flavored. (I kinda know this isnt the case but meh... maybe Im wrong). Trying a dilution will solve that riddle.

Salem, I know that these are touted as no pg... but frankly I dont know what the carrier base is. Its not 100% flavor. It kinda has to be in some kind of base to carry that flavor. I believe it is pg but Im no chemist. Course if its vg, then they could still claim all natural/organic. Its not listed on the bottles, or on their site that I could find.

Im going to play with these more over the weekend. If I have some kind of breakthru Ill update.

btw, after I shot back that email putting the owner or whoever it was in her place, she apologized. Not that she she shouldnt have thought about treating her customers properly in the first place. Smh, had that been one of the people under my charge when I was working... id have fired em on the spot, period. I have a very very low tolerance for ever blaming a customer or treating them badly, even when they are dead wrong.

 

[tiburonfirst]

the unknown carrier base is really a puzzle ........ any chance it could be water?????