Question about arcing

[JetMac]

Rob, straight up...big juicy filled to the gills pork, chicken, or veggie egg rolls or thin and crispy spring rolls?

Tough decision huh, I know....I love them both too!


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[JetMac]

Dang, I'm hungry for egg rolls now


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[redeyedancer]

Dang, I'm hungry for egg rolls now


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lol me to my friend

 

[MamaTried]

i'm actually eating egg rolls as we speak.... mmmmm...


next up is hot&sour soup. and then coma

 

[M4rtin]

I too am now having arcing to the point where there are now black spots on the edges of my button top samsung 25r's(Lightning Vapes). I have to turn the battery inside the Reo to a spot where it does not have a black pit so it will fire it. Dual 29g 8 wraps 0.675 ohm on my Odin.

I have to turn the battery inside of the reo every other time I fire it to get it to fire.

Received the beauty about a month and half ago and the first thing I did was use the deoxit gold G100P pen on the spring, firing pin and batteries (both top and bottom).

I have taken an eraser to the firing pin, re-apllied the deoxit gold on the firing pin, the gold spring and the button tops of my samuelson 25r button tops. Still arcs, now three of my batteries have nice circular black pin dots all around the edges of my battery button tops and the firing pin has a black line on it.

Any solutions would be greatly appreciated. I miss just hitting the button and knowing I will hear the sizzle.

 

[HgA1C]

I too am now having arcing to the point where there are now black spots on the edges of my button top samsing 25r's. I have to turn the battery inside the Reo to a spot where it does not have a black pit so it will fire it. Dual 29g 8 wraps 0.675 ohm on my Odin.

I have to turn the battery inside of the reo every other time I fire it to get it to fire.

Received the beauty about a month and half ago and the first thing I did was use the deoxit gold G100P pen on the spring, firing pin and batteries (both top and bottom).

I have taken an eraser to the firing pin, re-apllied the deoxit gold on the firing pin, the gold spring and the button tops of my samuelson 25r button tops. Still arcs, now three of my batteries have nice circular black pin dots all around the edges of my battery button tops and the firing pin has a black line on it.

Any solutions would be greatly appreciated. I miss just hitting the button and knowing I will hear the sizzle.

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Use a fine grit sand paper on the button tops, and then reapply Deoxit every few days to the button and the battery.

 

[Quigsworth]

Use a fine grit sand paper on the button tops, and then reapply Deoxit every few days to the button and the battery.

Noooo, never "sand" any contact surface...you create thousands of little peaks and valleys, almost halving your contact surface area and create little lightening rods making the arcing situation even worse. The most abrasive item you should use on contacts would be an erasure (preferably one of those white ones). In fact, if you have a dremel with one of those polishing wheels, go nuts...use a bit of compound and give the batt terminal a mirror finish...doesn't get any better.

 

[Filthy-Beast]

Are you a slow press on the fire button. The longer the contact is close to connecting but not quite there the more arcing you'll get. Also don't be shy with deoxit.

Also is this with the new gold contacts in the Reo or the older silver contacts?

 

[M4rtin]

Hiya Filthy! This is my first Reo and I received it on January 9th. It has the updated contact and spring. When I received it the first thing I did was apply the deoxit gold to the friring pin and spring as well as the batteries before using it.

I figured it was due for re-application since I used it for about a month and so I applied more deoxit to the spring and firing pin on Saturday. Sometime on Saturday evening it stopped firing so I checked the battery and it was at 3.9. So I decided to get a different battery and after a while it started happening again so I checked the battery and noticed the little black dots on the edges.



Last night I decided to take the delrin block off since i noticed a little juice sitting way back in the top left corner. Saw that the firing pin and the tube were separated from the top and juice was covering the firing pin and some juice was sitting in the delrin block.

Also the little pin that the tube was connected to was marked up pretty badly like someone had taken pliers to it which left scars on it. So I took the tube off and the firing pin off. I removed the bottle, battery and rinsed the Reo under water and dried it with paper towels.

Forgot to also mention that Saturday for the first time I put the Odin on it. So maybe transitioning from the RM2 to the Odin caused some of this?

Good thing when I ordered the Reo I also ordered a repair kit and so I put a new firing pin on it after I hand screwed and took some small curved pliers to tighten that little pin back to the thing under the 510.

I put some super glue to that pin where you attach the tube to it and put the tube back on. I applied the deoxit gold to the firing pin and the batteries, but it still arcs even with the new firing pin. The original firing pin has a black streak that covers that whole curved part which makes contact with the battery. I also see oxidation on the top of that curved part of the firing pin. Now the new firing pin also now has some black on it.

I ordered some aw imr's from rtd since I read people have less arcing with those.

Lower ohms producing more arcing? Not sure what the solution is other than trying the new aw imr's? In the meantime I ordered 5 more firing pins from Rob just in case.

Thanks to Russ I was able to remember how to clean, put the pin and tube on. I was of course in a great hurry to get my Reo in working order and I did not re-watch his rebuild video of the Grand. So I found that I should have tightened that pin tube holder thing while keeping the 510 in position with a screw driver and I should only have applied some super glue to the top of that pin between the tube and firing pin and not around the whole pin

At least for now it fires and I do not have to constantly find that sweet firing spot on the battery every time I take a vape. It definitely vapes better.

 

[Filthy-Beast]

The pliers was actually a good idea. Make sure the nut nipple is good and tight. Also make sure it has not pinched any of the silicone sheath that is on the firing pin.

You want a good tight connection that sandwiches the firing pin in place. Even slightly loose leads to an increase in arcing.

Also check that the center pin on the Odin is sticking out far enough, a partial connection there will also lead to arcing.

 

[M4rtin]

UPDATE: PROBLEM FOUND

I decided again last night to take a look at my Reo since I was still not getting a good connection and it was arcing bad(looked like a sparkler show). Had to keep turning the battery in order to get a little vape from it.

This is going to be lengthy: So once again I took the tube off, tightened the tube connector while holding a flat head to the 510 pin. Put tube back on, put some glue between the tube on top of firing pin and pushed tube up flush against pin. Tried again, still had to keep turning the battery, so put a new battery in, same thing.

Opened her up again, took bottle off, took delring block off, then saw that there was liquid lurking in-between that sleeve on the firing pin.

So I took the pliers and pulled that connector off from the 510 pin since it would not turn, took out the 510 pin and that little white plastic ring. Then I wiggled the rubber gasket out, rinsed the whole thing under hot water, dried it all out, took a q-tip with alcohol and wiped it all out. Went for a detailed inspection lookie round. Went to my fix kit that I had ordered when I bought the reo. Took a new white plastic ring, new tube, new 510 pin and new connector pin. Before attaching anything I took another look.

Welllll, I discovered that on the inside of the mod right under the 510 threads there is clear rubber around the bottom of the 510 and that was partially missing so the e-juice is leaking from there onto the firing pin.

So before you waste two firing pins, the white plastic round thing, a 510 pin, two tubes, have black pits on four batteries, take a closer, a real close look. Just glad I was able to find the problem.

 

[Papa_Lazarou]

UPDATE: PROBLEM FOUND

I decided again last night to take a look at my Reo since I was still not getting a good connection and it was arcing bad(looked like a sparkler show). Had to keep turning the battery in order to get a little vape from it.

This is going to be lengthy: So once again I took the tube off, tightened the tube connector while holding a flat head to the 510 pin. Put tube back on, put some glue between the tube on top of firing pin and pushed tube up flush against pin. Tried again, still had to keep turning the battery, so put a new battery in, same thing.

Opened her up again, took bottle off, took delring block off, then saw that there was liquid lurking in-between that sleeve on the firing pin.

So I took the pliers and pulled that connector off from the 510 pin since it would not turn, took out the 510 pin and that little white plastic ring. Then I wiggled the rubber gasket out, rinsed the whole thing under hot water, dried it all out, took a q-tip with alcohol and wiped it all out. Went for a detailed inspection lookie round. Went to my fix kit that I had ordered when I bought the reo. Took a new white plastic ring, new tube, new 510 pin and new connector pin. Before attaching anything I took another look.

Welllll, I discovered that on the inside of the mod right under the 510 threads there is clear rubber around the bottom of the 510 and that was partially missing so the e-juice is leaking from there onto the firing pin.

So before you waste two firing pins, the white plastic round thing, a 510 pin, two tubes, have black pits on four batteries, take a closer, a real close look. Just glad I was able to find the problem.

Glad you got it sorted - good for you for all the effort you put in to find it.

I'm thinking that as a reward, you might want to consider getting the new ss 510, which should avoid this kind of problem happening again.

 

[redeyedancer]

Glad you got it sorted - good for you for all the effort you put in to find it.

I'm thinking that as a reward, you might want to consider getting the new ss 510, which should avoid this kind of problem happening again.

I concur get the new 510 never again will you have to worry about the 510 connection of leaking for that matter . I will also add if your vaping sub ohm you will need to up your game with applying deoxit or noalox once a month probably wont be enough . It is for me but I run a 1 ohm coil

 

[supertrunker]

I'd bet on once a week and that's what i build into my routine.

T

 

[Sloth Tonight]

Once a day for me

 

[havok333]

Once a day for me

Same here!

 

[M4rtin]

Glad you got it sorted - good for you for all the effort you put in to find it.

I'm thinking that as a reward, you might want to consider getting the new ss 510, which should avoid this kind of problem happening again.

I concur get the new 510 never again will you have to worry about the 510 connection of leaking for that matter . I will also add if your vaping sub ohm you will need to up your game with applying deoxit or noalox once a month probably wont be enough . It is for me but I run a 1 ohm coil

Just ordered the new LP Grand Sliver Hammertone and will send this one in once I get the new one in, hopefully by Monday. Will start to apply the deoxit once a day now, did not think about that. Thank you.

I have been using the Odin on it which I got last Saturday, 8/9 wraps of 29g Kanthal which is regestiring .675. Any suggestions on the Odin with 29G Kanthal?

Maybe I should go up to 10 wraps, which would put it around the 7.50 / 8 ohm mark, would that help?

 

[supertrunker]

My experience is that anything over 0.5 - 0.6Ω is no problem and really won't need too much babying.

The reason i have to clean my beater Reo more often is that my coils are typically half those values.

T