I happened to stumble across this info from the chemists at Nude Nicotine while looking for a supplier. They recommend freezer storage. Good info here: Storing Your Nicotine Solution - Nude Nicotine
Question about frozen nicotine.
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After extensive reading here I also took the plunge and bought 1000ml of 100 mg nicotine and froze it in amber bottles. I figure that will be a 5 year supply or more and I plan on buying 2000 ml more and freezing it. What really sold me on the idea is people I respect here who say its fine and it lasts for years in the freezer yet one guy on ECF did a study and tested frozen nicotine up to 7 years old. The nicotine degradation at that point was nil from his test. If nicotine can last 7 years with no problem then I dont see why it cant last 20 years if need be. Face it people, the FDA is going to do everything they can to ruin it for us the people. And even if it takes them a few years, the price of nicotine will not stay at sales prices forever so in my opinion why not just stock up now.
Not to mention if BT does get their monopoly, they won't just use pure nicotine base like we do. It's not addictive enough. They will have to chemically engineer a base that is as addictive as cigarettes with their 4k extra chemicals in them because pure tobacco leaf wasn't addictive enough.
I just Don't see this Happening.
The Big Difference, for the most part, between Smoking Cigarettes and using an e-Cigarette is people who Smoke Know it is Very Hazardous for their Health. And Many/Most would Quit if they could.
Whereas people see e-Cigarettes as Less Harm. And Many do Not have a Desire to Stop using an e-Cigarette any time soon.
You Don't need to Add anything to make a product More Addictive if the Average User doesn't really want to Stop Using the product.
And the Downside when BT is found to do so, which they will, would be Horrendous. And kinda leave the FDA Blowing in the Wind. Seeing that they Signed Off on e-liquids.
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People need to realise that vaping is global and this is a global forum. What applies to one person, now, in their country, may have no relevance at all to someone who is somewhere else.
In Europe they already have regulations coming into force of the same type the FDA may be planning - so for EU members, this is not theory, it is real. Nicotine in anything over 10ml bottles of 20mg strength is banned, and that will start to be enforced soon. The crunch time has already come for those in the EU, it is just a matter of time for anyone in the EU until the day when they wake up to find a card in their letterbox:
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"The Post Office informs you that the joint Border Control / Customs and Excise Task Force For TPD Implementation has confiscated your package #3859-003723655G34224, marked: 'E-Liquid Banana Flavour, 15ml, 24mg strength'. You can apply to the address at the foot of this Notice if you feel the package was confiscated in error.
The Joint Task Force hereby give you notice that illegal imports of prohibited drugs with/without prohibited flavours will attract a spot fine of €1,000 or 1 year in prison for each subsequent offence."
MHRA Illegal Import Control Office
Department of Health
London W1 2AB
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So please take account of the fact that (a) others are already getting squeezed, and (b) you will be soon enough, because either you voted for the people who are doing it to you or you didn't vote, and you didn't pitch up at your rep's office 10 days in a row and make a nuisance of yourself.
Don't blame someone else, that's the 21st century disease. Get a freezer, put up, and shut up like the rest of us. And next time vote for someone who doesn't want to kill you for profit.
In Europe they already have regulations coming into force of the same type the FDA may be planning - so for EU members, this is not theory, it is real. Nicotine in anything over 10ml bottles of 20mg strength is banned, and that will start to be enforced soon. The crunch time has already come for those in the EU, it is just a matter of time for anyone in the EU until the day when they wake up to find a card in their letterbox:
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"The Post Office informs you that the joint Border Control / Customs and Excise Task Force For TPD Implementation has confiscated your package #3859-003723655G34224, marked: 'E-Liquid Banana Flavour, 15ml, 24mg strength'. You can apply to the address at the foot of this Notice if you feel the package was confiscated in error.
The Joint Task Force hereby give you notice that illegal imports of prohibited drugs with/without prohibited flavours will attract a spot fine of €1,000 or 1 year in prison for each subsequent offence."
MHRA Illegal Import Control Office
Department of Health
London W1 2AB
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So please take account of the fact that (a) others are already getting squeezed, and (b) you will be soon enough, because either you voted for the people who are doing it to you or you didn't vote, and you didn't pitch up at your rep's office 10 days in a row and make a nuisance of yourself.
Don't blame someone else, that's the 21st century disease. Get a freezer, put up, and shut up like the rest of us. And next time vote for someone who doesn't want to kill you for profit.
I'm stocking up for the first time ever. But I do not plan on shutting up 
I am getting more vocal as time passes
I am getting more vocal as time passes
Well put Rolygate. Punch, scream, letter write, be involved, be heard. But stock up for when we are ignored.
Yep, in the US there's still some room for doubt; people can still HOPE that the regs won't be too draconian and they'll still be able to buy what they're used to buying at reasonable prices in the future.
In Europe, OTOH, that hope should already be gone because the regulations are there for everyone to read, no doubt in all the official languages. What baffles me that is there doesn't seem to be a major run on nic base in Europe, a big enough run to push up nic prices world-wide.
Are the majority of European vapers really willing to buy their liquids 10ml at a time? Or are they simply not paying attention?
Susaz,
When we talk about "freezing" nic e-liquid, we're talking about putting it in the freezer - typically at about -10F. Not actually freezing it!
It comes nowhere near to the slush point (either PG or VG!)
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Oh yes, serious vapers in the EU are paying a lot of attention.I have bought more nic than I ever would even though I am just a newbie. i don't know if my extra purchase was enough to push up prices.
However, seeing as the apocalypse scenario in the EU is inevitable now (the curtain comes down on 16th April 2016) I think we in the EU are looking at different strategies. I personally am thinking of reducing my nicotine levels since the act of vaping itself already gives me enough satisfaction. If I do reduce my nic level, the amount of nicotine base I already have will last me a very long time (provided it keeps well in the freezer)... probably longer than I myself have left to live.Of course no single individual's purchases are going to affect world-wide prices, nor will even a small percentage of the vapers. That that's what I'm getting at. Seeing nic base still available at all-time low prices suggests to me that the majority of vapers are NOT stocking up, at least not yet. Having seen what happens to other commodity prices when people do panic about possible future availability, I think it's quite foolish to wait for the last minute.i don't know if my extra purchase was enough to push up prices.
It seems the price of nicotine in the UK (to take an example) is going down not up!
I did stock up. 4 liters worth plus the 500ml I already had.Of course no single individual's purchases are going to affect world-wide prices, nor will even a small percentage of the vapers. That that's what I'm getting at. Seeing nic base still available at all-time low prices suggests to me that the majority of vapers are NOT stocking up, at least not yet. Having seen what happens to other commodity prices when people do panic about possible future availability, I think it's quite foolish to wait for the last minute.
28 years worth at my current level.
I'll let y'all know how it tastes in 10-15 years! Lol
My theory is, if in 10 or 20 years we can't get fresh nic at reasonable prices, we won't care that much what the stuff we have in stock tastes like.
Think about it, did we really care what our cigarettes tasted like? I sorta did, but only in the sense that I wanted to smoke the variety that I was used to. If I had no choice but to smoke some different ones for a while (one particular trip to Canada), I got used to something else.
We'll be able to tell our grandkids about the old times when we could purchase legal products for consumption without our governments approval and consent. Of course they won't believe us. Good times!
As of a few minutes ago MyFreedomSmokes 100mg nicotine was at $50 a liter and 250 ml Amber bottles was just shy of $3 each. I currently have their nicotine in my freezer but am sure other companies have comparable prices. Now is the time to stock up before our elected officials either state or federal try to sneak thru some legislation that prohibits us from buying it.
I know many world wide are on ECF but for us Americans we need to understand that we are facing a multi facet battle. First off we have the FDA that thinks they have the right to regulate every aspect of our lives. Then we have ignorant law makers who really dont care about the truth or facts. Top that off with big tobacco as well as big pharma who are both losing money to the vaping craze and we can see we are fighting a losing battle. From where I sit, its not a matter of what will happen but when. It is not far fetched to believe that eventually vaping will be regulated to the point of only big tobacco being allowed to sell to the public and that will be priced and taxed where the cost to us the consumers will be comparable to what we paid while smoking. That will also enable big pharma the opportunity to continue to sell their stop smoking cessations that have a proven track record of being grossly ineffective yet rakes in billions of $$$ yearly. So in the long run, we are screwed unless we look to our needs now while its available.
Everyday I would like a cigarette. I dont need one but want one just the same and everyday I tell myself I will not become a slave to those cancer sticks again. 40 years of being a heavy smoker was enough and it was vaping that got me off them. I will continue to vape to the day I am no longer around if I have a say in the matter and I will make sure I have what I need to be able to continue to vape regardless of what the government says or tries to do.
I know many world wide are on ECF but for us Americans we need to understand that we are facing a multi facet battle. First off we have the FDA that thinks they have the right to regulate every aspect of our lives. Then we have ignorant law makers who really dont care about the truth or facts. Top that off with big tobacco as well as big pharma who are both losing money to the vaping craze and we can see we are fighting a losing battle. From where I sit, its not a matter of what will happen but when. It is not far fetched to believe that eventually vaping will be regulated to the point of only big tobacco being allowed to sell to the public and that will be priced and taxed where the cost to us the consumers will be comparable to what we paid while smoking. That will also enable big pharma the opportunity to continue to sell their stop smoking cessations that have a proven track record of being grossly ineffective yet rakes in billions of $$$ yearly. So in the long run, we are screwed unless we look to our needs now while its available.
Everyday I would like a cigarette. I dont need one but want one just the same and everyday I tell myself I will not become a slave to those cancer sticks again. 40 years of being a heavy smoker was enough and it was vaping that got me off them. I will continue to vape to the day I am no longer around if I have a say in the matter and I will make sure I have what I need to be able to continue to vape regardless of what the government says or tries to do.
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