Question about frozen nicotine.

[Susaz]

I don't Drink anymore. But I don't recall Vodka Freezing Solid when I did.

Here's a Question for you...

How come the Frozen Orange juice concentrate I buy will stay good for Years? But the OJ I buy in the Store only lasts for about a Week in the Frig?

The OJ concentrate Isn't frozen Solid. More of a Slurry. At lest in my Freezer it is.

Kinda like what my Nicotine Base looks like when I Freeze it.

OJ is water, not alcohol based, so it does freeze. Good per se, no, it looses vitamin C. Yes, it'll still have good flavor, but it'll lose the flavonoids present in the juice when squeezed.
Here's a chart of temps PG needs to freeze. If you store it in a big container you'll need low temps... but, still, again, what for?!?

Propylene Glycol based Heat-Transfer Fluids

Certain things shouldn't be frozen. Keeping them at 3C is EXACTLY the same. And no, Vodka doesn't freeze in a regular freezer.

 

[zoiDman]

OJ is water, not alcohol based, so it does freeze. Good per se, no, it looses vitamin C. Yes, it'll still have good flavor, but it'll lose the flavonoids present in the juice when squeezed.
Here's a chart of temps PG needs to freeze. If you store it in a big container you'll need low temps... but, still, again, what for?!?

Propylene Glycol based Heat-Transfer Fluids

Certain things shouldn't be frozen. Keeping them at 3C is EXACTLY the same. And no, Vodka doesn't freeze in a regular freezer.

So if Storing at Nicotine Base in the Frig is the Same as putting it in the Freezer, what is the Difference of which you do?

 

[Susaz]

So if Storing at Nicotine Base in the Frig is the Same as putting it in the Freezer, what is the Difference of which you do?

Due to slush creation propylene glycol and water solutions should not be used close to the freezing points.

It means alcohol can degrade and condense water if you freeze it. That's the difference. If you don't freeze it solid, chances are PG will still be 100% PG when you need to use it.

 

[WillyZee]

I've seen the th degrade after 14 months.

this is good news for me ... I hate TH.

I actually pay double for my nicotine to have a clean tasting base ... without the TH.

 

[zoiDman]

Due to slush creation propylene glycol and water solutions should not be used close to the freezing points.

It means alcohol can degrade and condense water if you freeze it. That's the difference. If you don't freeze it solid, chances are PG will still be 100% PG when you need to use it.

OK.

And once again. Is this stuff you have Read About? Or is this something you have Actually seen?

Because I haven't heard of too many people having Problems with putting Nicotine Base in a Freezer. And then taking it out again.

And I know that I have done it Many Times. Without any Problems.

 

[fxRich]

My nic base in the freezer stays liquid, its a little cold on the hands to work with. I take 100 ml at a time from the freezer. Has been working out fine for over a year now.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

My nic will not freeze. I have propylene glycol base and it's freezing point is -60 deg F or so. My deep freezer is not that deep.

 

[zoiDman]

My nic will not freeze. I have propylene glycol base and it's freezing point is -60 deg F or so. My deep freezer is not that deep.

That's Ca-Ca-Ca-Ca-Cold.

 

[Susaz]

Do as you wish! I'm an engeneer myself and that's what I learned at college. It's one of the dangers of freezing anything, condensation. If you want your base watered down while you thaw it, so have it.It's no use freezing, it won't extend the life more than simply keeping it in the frige, at 3C.And no, I simply keep them in the fridge year round, have done it with other things, but alcohol, no use freezing.

 

[Rat2chat2]

Wizard Labs states on their website:

For long term storage over 2 months, we recommend transferring your nicotine solution into glass containers with airtight lids, and as little airspace in the top of the container as possible. If stored properly, in a freezer at 0°F, a nicotine solution can remain viable and usable in excess of 2 years.

RTS Vapes states on their website:

The flavorless liquid nicotine will not freeze, however, you will be prolonging the life of the nicotine.

There are so many sources of information regarding freezing and prolonging the life of our nic in the freezer. I just took out a bottle for use that was dated October 2013 and it is as clear as the day that I stored it. That's good enough for me.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

I am keeping mine in the freezer, even though it does not freeze it should slow down any decay process.

btw I got the PG base because I figured it would be more stable than a VG base.
Plus it is easier to measure in a syringe than thicker VG.

 

[WillyZee]

Do as you wish! I'm an engeneer myself and that's what I learned at college. It's one of the dangers of freezing anything, condensation. If you want your base watered down while you thaw it, so have it.It's no use freezing, it won't extend the life more than simply keeping it in the frige, at 3C.And no, I simply keep them in the fridge year round, have done it with other things, but alcohol, no use freezing.

whatever works for you ... other people will continue to enjoy success freezing their nic.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

There is water in PG?

No condensation if the bottle is full or very nearly so. or it is closed up while the humidity is low.
How much water vapor in a CC air space?

 

[caramel]

Arrhenius equation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Robert Cromwell]

That made my head hurt. Bedtime for me.

 

[Hannypoo]

Again, PG doesn't freeze. Why would you do that? just putting your base in the refrigerator is EXACTLY the same. Nic lasts two years for sure, but I've seen the th degrade after 14 months.

No, it's not exactly the same. The colder the temp, whether it actually freezes or not, the better it will be preserved. Glycerine doesn't crystalize when frozen, but it does something else; it's considered an amorphus solid. The freezing point is mostly irrelevant to this subject, anyway, since the reason for lowing the temperature is to prevent degredation caused by OUTSIDE influences. Lowering temperature is one way to slow the rate of reaction. Someone mentioned the Arrhenius equation. That's what is relevant to this discussion. It's also at play in the "steeping" process.

<--- majored in chemistry, but it doesn't take a chemist to understand this

 

[WillyZee]

Thanks Hannypoo ... I was wondering why someone who calls themselves an engeneer, could not grasp onto this?

BTW ... I had to lol at engeneer

 

[Kurt]

As with everything. Separates into phases, alcohol doesn't freeze but VG degrades.

Not in my experience, or anyone else's here that I am aware of. Freezing in my freezer does not separate the components, and VG certainly does not degrade in the freezer. In mine the liquid does not freeze entirely, rather just gets VERY thick. I suppose if one were to take it down to MUCH colder temperatures, where the solution freezes solid, there might be some separation. But I'm not even sure a SubZero freezer (~-10F) would freeze a liquid solid.

ZoiDman is correct, freezing DIY nic is like hitting the pause button. I have 5.5 year old nic in my freezer that is the same as when I first stored it. No changes at all that I can detect with my eyes.

Even at room temp, nic lasts quite a while without significantly losing potency...although trace nic-oxides that will form will add TH and "pepper effect" and maybe some light tobacco-like taste to it. Still fine to vape, even if very yellow. Glass will slow this down too. I typically have one or two 50 mL amber bottles of VG-nic out for usage for many weeks without significant change. If the nic is in typical dropper bottles, and not glass, it will oxidize faster when out at room temp, since O2 can get through the bottle wall.

Even if the nic does oxidize a bit, that is just fine with me, since I enjoy the added TH and flavor nuances that oxidizing create. In fact, controlled oxidation for this purpose is being done by VapersTek, called Throat Hit nic, and is my favorite of currently available nics.

 

[Kurt]

No, it's not exactly the same. The colder the temp, whether it actually freezes or not, the better it will be preserved. Glycerine doesn't crystalize when frozen, but it does something else; it's considered an amorphus solid. The freezing point is mostly irrelevant to this subject, anyway, since the reason for lowing the temperature is to prevent degredation caused by OUTSIDE influences. Lowering temperature is one way to slow the rate of reaction. Someone mentioned the Arrhenius equation. That's what is relevant to this discussion. It's also at play in the "steeping" process.

<--- majored in chemistry, but it doesn't take a chemist to understand this

Well said, Hannypoo! Indeed, all reactions slow down in colder temps. In nic solutions this is no different.

Unfortunately, there is always a bit of O2 dissolved in the VG or PG. Can't avoid it. So even in a sealed dark glass bottle at room temp, there will be a bit of oxidation. Come to an almost complete standstill in the freezer, especially VG-nic, and I expect many years of near perfect preservation.

 

[Kurt]

There is water in PG?

No condensation if the bottle is full or very nearly so. or it is closed up while the humidity is low.
How much water vapor in a CC air space?

When you bring a bottle out of the freezer for usage, its a good idea to let it come to room temp before opening it. Cold PG or VG will condense water into it. Not an issue with my VG-nics, however...they are too thick when cold to syringe anyway. I use these bottles, which have a "euro-dropper" insert in the mouth, which acts as a septum for syringe dispensing, and prevents spills when the bottle is open:

Specialty Bottle - European Dropper Bottles

I am a chemist, and I am not fond of bottles of completely open 100mg nic. That is a mess I really would not want to clean up if I knocked one over accidentally.