Storing liquid nicotine

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dannyv45

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I've heard actual gossip indicating that pg is the hot tip for room temperature storage of nicotine. In the freezer, it isn't supposed to make much difference. I can't confirm this, but whoever posted it seemed to have authoritative reasons.

ETA: All long term storage solutions involve glass containers, not the plastic bottles it might be shipped in.

I can confirm that freezing is the way to go. Just leave a bottle in the freezer and one out for 6 months and compare. The one left out will be browner and harsher then the one in the freezer. I know this from experience.

I've got bottles in my freezer that are over 2 years old and as fresh as the day they were put in the freezer.
 
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Liquid nic will last for a decade or longer if properly stored. Neither PG or VG will freeze solid, the consistency of the liquid just gets thicker.

For long term storage of liquid nic light, heat and oxygen are your enemies, each will degrade nicotine over time. Storing liquid nic inside a deep freezer all but eliminates light and heat from the equation leaving only oxygen exposure to contend with. While some plastics are better than others, in time oxygen permeates through - ALL - plastic containers and lids, avoid plastic for long term storage. For optimum results, glass containers are best and they must be capable of an air-tight seal. I currently have over 6 liters of unflavored 100mg VG nic stored at -10F in half pint canning jars. Canning jars stack well, are rugged and are capable of maintaining an air tight seal. The metal lids will not corrode in the presence of PG or VG. The amber and cobalt blue glass bottles we use for juice will also work but the caps are plastic and will allow oxygen migration into the head space albeit slowly. Neither PG or VG expands when subjected to freezing temps so fill the glass container as full as possible to reduce head space and the oxygen it contains.

Over the past year I bought liquid nic at $45 - $50 per liter and may pick up more this year should the opportunity present itself. I have enough stored to satisfy my (and a few friends), needs for years to come.
 

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I just got a small chest freezer for my Nicotine, all stored in the blue cobalt bottles. I wrap all my bottles in aluminum foil then in clear food wrap, then inside a cardboard box. I also purge all the oxygen out with argon, before closing up the bottles, I made a Plexiglass tank to purge them in. It might be a bit extreme, but I want my Nicotine to last. I ordered another 4 liters last week, which should give me 10 total, I still want to order some of the Vapers Tek Throat hit Nic, but that will be next month. :)

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That's my source. Kurt is brilliant, and really nice guy ta boot. :wub:

Aw, shucks Stormy, you say the nicest things! :blush:

I do want to add that while glass does keep O2 from getting into a liquid, there is already dissolved O2 present in PG or VG naturally, and I suspect that this is the main source of oxidation at room temp in glass over long term.

It is true that VG and PG do not expand at freezer temps. They expand when warm. So leave a couple mL headspace in bottles when freezer-storing. It is better to store them standing up, but that is not always possible depending on freezer real estate. But if they are stored on their sides (I do this), make sure when you use a bottle that it warms back up standing up before you use it. The little air bubble will expand upon warming, and if the bottle is on its side liquid can get forced out from under the cap upon warming.

I did fill to the rim a few times back in the early days (>5 years ago!). I filled the bottles with unthinned 100 mg/mL VG-nic in a cool kitchen in January. Then when I took them out and into my hot office in the summer, liquid expanded and leaked out from under the cap. Not good.

But I would not fear oxidation too much. Keeping all oxidation to a minimum is good if you like completely tasteless nic base that has little TH and pepper effect. But a bit of oxidation can add TH and pepper, that I personally prefer. Nic oxides are not harmful, and it takes VERY little to strongly color a nic, with minimal depletion of nic concentration. For me, some nics get BETTER with some oxidation. Those I just keep some in plastic dropper bottles at room temp for weeks or months.

VaperTek Throat Hit nic is Kevin's regular ultra-pure no-taste nic with O2 literally bubbled through it for a short time. This is one of my favorite nics currently. The slight oxidation gives a TH and pepper bite that I love, but without significant flavor. Has a slight yellow tint.

I think that slight oxidation is part of the tobacco-liquid flavor bloom that happens over time. It is well-known that tobacco flavors can improve with time (some call this steeping), and I think oxidation is a big part of that, in addition to more complete mixing. Nic oxides in high enough concentration will impart a tobacco-like flavor.

But if you want all oxidation to essentially stop for years for the purpose of long-term storage, storing in glass in the freezer is the best way to go. Ar or N2 purging the headspace is probably overkill, but if you want to do that, by all means. The amount of O2 in the headspace is very low, and probably less than what is already in the PG or VG. But the rituals we go through to store our nic long term are good for purging doubt, and I think this is also very important for peace of mind!

I've not tried canning jars, but I would be reluctant to use my hinged-lid Mason jars, with the rubber gasket, since PG and VG are alcohols, and I know that ethanol will dissolve the rubber gasket over time. I use 30-50 mL amber bottles with plastic caps and eurodropper inserts (Specialty Bottle - European Dropper Bottles). The insert is polyethylene I believe, and acts as a gasket for the cap. But I doubt in the freezer much O2 gets through it or the cap. I have seen no change in my nic in the freezer: >5 years for some and the same as when I bought it. The surodropper inserts also allow for no spills and syringe dispensing, both very important to me.
 
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You do not really need store VG and PG for a long time – they are easy to buy and they will not be overtaxed in future. They will be fine for a year or two in their original bottles, if stored in a dark place in an air-conditioned room (may be even for much longer). I have a bottle of VG at my work which is about 15 years old – no visible changes, sometimes use it for dry hands; however I did not tried to vape it…
 
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