I don't think the government should be allowed to ban smoking in any situation. However, I have no problem with private businesses choosing to ban smoking/vaping on their property.
Question for those who think we should not vape where we can not smoke...
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All in one device? That would be brilliant. Maybe post in the Modder's Section.
I can see it now......Google Vape. Like Google Glass, only vapey-er (?). Vape Cam.
Bah. Doesn't matter. Letterman did it all first. Monkey Cam--> Google Glass--> Vape Cam. It all comes full circle.
OK, back on topic........
So what happens if you Own a Restaurant and post a Bunch of No e-Cigarette signs. Even print it on the Menu.
But I decide that I want to try out my new Sub-Ohm Coil and start Blowing Huge Clouds at my table? And when asked to stop, I tell you that it Isn't Against the Law.
I'd remind you this is a private establishment and that I reserve the right to refuse service to anyone and if you don't stop it I'll call the cops.
Doesn't matter if there's a law or not, I can choose to ban ecigs in my restaurant because it's not discrimination based on your race, religion, sex, creed, etc.
Think of it like talking in a movie theater. There's no law against talking, but if you're disturbing other customers then the theater is going to kick you out.
Edit - to summarize, I think a blanket ban on ecigs is terrible. Let each bussiness decide if they want to allow them or not. Not sure why you think there is a need for a law against them?
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There's an interesting catch-22 regarding money, lobbying and regulation of the industry. One of the things we fight for in opposing regulation is to maintain the decentralization and variation in the market. To prevent large manufacturers from capturing big chunks of the market. Ironically this also scatters the resources and makes it less likely that a well-funded response to the well-funded attacks can be mounted. I don't know if I see an answer to that. Industry groups can only amount to so much. Perhaps CASAA or some similar group needs to get its hands dirty and start charging dues and actually moving money around. Because money talks.
One thing's for sure: Attacking other users on an enthusiast forum is a nonsensical way to try to change policy.
One thing's for sure: Attacking other users on an enthusiast forum is a nonsensical way to try to change policy.
The proprietor can probably consider you a trespasser and either call the police or remove you by force. People are funny about getting to dictate the rules on their own property.
All good Points.
But Business Owners don't like having the Cops coming to their place of Business every week. And neither do the other Paying Customers.
The point is I can see problems with Some, less Respectful - More Militant, vapers if e-Cigarette use is Purely left up to Individual Vaper's / Business Owners.
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BTW - Do you think it is OK to use an e-Cigarette while Pumping Gas at a Gas Station?
BTW - Here is an Good Read when it comes to Both Sides of the Vaping Coin.
http://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_.../i_just_made_my_bar_vape_free_am_i_a_bad_guy/
http://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_.../i_just_made_my_bar_vape_free_am_i_a_bad_guy/
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my short list ...
Hospitals = no smoking and no vaping, however, ventilated vape rooms would make patients extended stay more comfortable.
Malls, Retail Stores and Grocery Stores = no smoking and no vaping (people should be able to curb urges until finished shopping).
Schools and Campuses = no smoking and no vaping (however there should be designated smoking and vaping areas).
Private Bars and Cafes = no smoking, however vaping should be store owner's decision.
Parks and Beaches = definitely vape friendly, however, as for smoking, I am on the fence (smokers tend to be the worst litterbugs).
Hospitals = no smoking and no vaping, however, ventilated vape rooms would make patients extended stay more comfortable.
Malls, Retail Stores and Grocery Stores = no smoking and no vaping (people should be able to curb urges until finished shopping).
Schools and Campuses = no smoking and no vaping (however there should be designated smoking and vaping areas).
Private Bars and Cafes = no smoking, however vaping should be store owner's decision.
Parks and Beaches = definitely vape friendly, however, as for smoking, I am on the fence (smokers tend to be the worst litterbugs).
Meh.
Considering how "disturbed" I was when I started this thread...
I thought I was showing a great deal of restraint.
Those of you that work in hospitals can correct this if wrong:
Aren't hospitals the most equipped to deal with vaping? The ventilation systems are anti-microbial, the lights often have special UV (in some areas, anyway). If anyone had a reaction to vaping....they are in the right place for it! I suppose it would depend on where you were. But...
Just thought that was a bit ironic that everyone is so freaked about hospitals and not some pub. lol.
In a pub, if someone had any unheard of problem with vaping (first or second hand)...it would go like this:
: poof/choke/fall over
<bartender walks over>
:Yep. He's dead, Jim.
:makes phone call anyway. 15 minutes later, EMT arrives. Takes him to hospital where he should have been while vaping.
Aren't hospitals the most equipped to deal with vaping? The ventilation systems are anti-microbial, the lights often have special UV (in some areas, anyway). If anyone had a reaction to vaping....they are in the right place for it! I suppose it would depend on where you were. But...
Just thought that was a bit ironic that everyone is so freaked about hospitals and not some pub. lol.
In a pub, if someone had any unheard of problem with vaping (first or second hand)...it would go like this:
: poof/choke/fall over
<bartender walks over>
:Yep. He's dead, Jim.
:makes phone call anyway. 15 minutes later, EMT arrives. Takes him to hospital where he should have been while vaping.
I had diverticulitis and was hospitalized several times over the last few years for 3 or 4 days at a time. I also had surgery to remove a 12 inch section of my colon to remove the part that kept getting infected. I was in the hospital for almost a week that time.
Each time I have been in the hospital, they allowed me to vape any time I wanted. Hospitals are actually very good about using e-cigs as an alternative to dealing with patients who smoke.
What is really surprising to me is that more and more of the medical community aren't getting on board with e-cigs being a viable alternative and safer than smoking. Yet they are not being vocal? If they would stand up and be counted..... It seems as only those that are against it are getting the press. Yet time and time again I hear, from members here, that their doctor has either approved, recommended, or has seen the improvement of their patients in regards to e-cigs.
If we could somehow get those pro e-cig doctors to be counted..... Wishful thinking, I'm sure...
If we could somehow get those pro e-cig doctors to be counted..... Wishful thinking, I'm sure...
If you really want to have fun, google "safer cig XA" and start researching.
All the liability claim fears stopped the industry from introducing safer cigs. They would have had to admit the ones they put out were unsafe. Of course, the got sued later anyway.
I'm sure doctors are on the fence with the e-cig stuff too, since it's not FDA approved and the FDA has done us some real disservice, IMO.
Truth be told, we just don't know enough...except that it's a step in the right direction! There's more data all the time. Looking good so far.
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First they came for the Communists,and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Communist.
Then they came for the Socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me
I was a smoker, they came for me and I didn't speak out then
I am a vaper, they are coming for me. I AM speaking out this time!
I am a vaper, they are coming for me. I AM speaking out this time!
I think the problem here is that most doctors do feel that e-cigs are way better than smoking, they are waiting for enough studies to be done before they officialy go on record as saying they are a safer alterative to smoking.
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