Questions about Spinner voltage/ohms & also questions about dripping

[firephly]

A week ago I got this Joyetech Vision Spinner that adjusts up to 4.8 volts. I got a Kanger ProTank 2 to go with it. The guy at the vape store also suggested some 1.8ohm replacement coils for the tank.

So, when I tried this out I was ecstatic! It was such an improvement over my Ego-C with the plastic tank that I had before, the extra voltage and the glass tank made such a difference!

Th problem is that I have been chain vaping in the evenings lately, and often turning the voltage up to 4.8 (especially when the battery started to run low) and I noticed the tank got kind of hot, and also it seems like after I replaced a coil, with another of the 1.8ohm coils I got, it didn't seem to take all that long, maybe one night, before I got this kind of hot and not so great taste happening again. Also I don't find that the battery lasts as long as they say, it seems like even after I charge it until the light turns green, it still starts to run out of juice after a few hours, like maybe 4-5 hours. Maybe that is because I was using such a high voltage too much of the time?

I read up on it some more and I *think* the solution is to get a 2.5ohm coil and keep the voltage lower, like maybe 3.7or so......will that help? I saw this on another thread, but I didn't understand it:
"if you run your ProTank over 6.5 watts, you run the risk of burning wicks, coils, juice. It is clearly recommended for 6.5 watts. So if you have only a 3.7 volt device..."

1.8 ohms means (3.7 x 3.7)/1.8=7.61 watts
2.2 ohms means (3.7 x 3.7)/2.2=6.22 watts
2.5 ohms means (3.7 x 3.7)/2.5=5.48 watts

I am not sure how wattage figures in here..?

My other question is I ordered some e-liquids from various places and I am super excited to try them because I haven't been too crazy about the stuff they sell at my local shops, so anyway I read that the best way to try all these samples is to drip them.
I read that I can do this with one of these attached to my Spinner: SR510 (Cisco Spec) 2.5ohm Bridgeless Atomizer - Avid Vaper

I figure I can try out all the various flavors of liquid I will be getting with a bunch of these. Will that work?
Is there anything else I need to know about what voltage I should use while dripping with this?

Some of the liquids I ordered are 80% and 100% VG so that is a consideration too because I heard that can mess up the coils. I didn't order many dark colored flavors because I heard they gunk up the coils too.

I just really want to get this right so I can continue enjoying the vaping experience because analogs don't even appeal to me anymore, imagine that! I never thought that would happen!

 

[Katya]

Hi Firephly and welcome.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...someone-explain-ohms-newbie.html#post10892052

If you have additional questions, just ask!

 

[InTheShade]

Hi Firephly, let me try to put my spin on your questions.

There is nothing wrong with vaping a 1.8ohm head at 4.8 volts. If you are not getting a burnt taste, it's fine. It's about 12 watts, which may be hot for some, but if it's your sweet spot, then vape away.

Are you cleaning your heads? I've found that regardless of the juice used, you should probably give them a rinse in hot water every 2-3 tank fills. You could also try a quick dry-burn every few days or so to keep the coil free from gunk.
I don't ever not buy any juice just because it's a little darker or higher VG. Indeed, one of my favorites is 100VG and quite dark - I just give my heads a little love and attention and they can last for 2-3 weeks.

So, as you are vaping at about 12 watts, if you drop down to a 2.5ohm head and vape at 3.7 volts, I would suggest it will be way too cool for you. I mean you can try it, and you will get better battery life, but I doubt it will give you the vape you are used to.

You may consider getting an APV. You can adjust voltage and wattage as you can with your spinner, but the upside is you can use batteries that are upwards of 2000mAH which will give you much longer between charges.

So as for dripping - yes. It's the easiest way to try a lot of different juices. Again, 2.5ohms seems a little high, you might want to get a 1.8-2.0ohm atty. And unless you plan on just dripping from now on, just one atty will last you weeks and weeks. All you do is rinse them in hot water, blow them out (from where it connects to the battery) and shake 'em dry and then they are ready for a new flavor.

I don't want to write a book, I think I covered the main points, just don't worry too much about vaping the 'right' way. If it is satisfying the cravings the you are probably doing it correctly.

 

[NicoHolic]

At 4.8 volts into a 1.8Ω load, you are applying 4.8 squared (or 4.8 x 4.8) divided by 1.8 equals 12.8 watts to the ProTank coil, almost double the recommended maximum. The wick in a ProTank can't keep up with that and you are seriously cooking your juice. I can run 8 watts on a ProTank, while others can't run over 7.

To determine what voltage to use to achieve 6.5 watts with a 1.8Ω head, multiply 6.5 times 1.8 and take the square root of that = 3.4 volts maximum. By using a 1.8Ω head, the ProTank should also work on your eGo C battery while your Spinner is charging.

If you got a 2.5Ω head, it would be 6.5 times 2.5 and take the square root of that = 4.0 volts maximum. This would be applying exactly the same power to the coil as using 3.4 volts with the 1.8Ω coil.

The atomizer you linked to will work with your twist.

Hope this helps.

 

[Traver]

First, Joyetech and Vision are different companies. Vision makes the spinner which is a knockoff off the Joyetech twist.

When you raise the voltage you are sending more power or watts to the coil. This will give you more vapor, hit and flavor up to a point. It will also drain you battery faster. As you raise the power and watts the wick has to supply more juice to the coil and eventually will not be able to keep up. That is why a 6.5 watt limit is recommended for the tank. It also depends on the juice and how fast you inhale so your limits for that burnt taste may be higher or lower.

Below is an ohms and watts calculator if you want figure out how many watts you are using.
Ohm's Law Calculator

 

[InTheShade]

I don't know where this 6.5 watt recommended limit comes from, I used to vape my protank and EVODS (same heads) with a 50/50 juice at 8-10 watts with no issues.

If you are getting burnt / dry hits at more than 6.5 watts, (I hate myself for saying this but) I suggest you might remove a flavor wick to help supply juice to the coil faster and prevent them.

 

[klynnn]

If you are turning the voltage up it could mean you prefer a warmer vape. You might think about trying a different juice delivery device. I am not a big fan of the protank because it is too cool and airy for me.

 

[Katya]

I don't know where this 6.5 watt recommended limit comes from, I used to vape my protank and EVODS (same heads) with a 50/50 juice at 8-10 watts with no issues.

If you are getting burnt / dry hits at more than 6.5 watts, (I hate myself for saying this but) I suggest you might remove a flavor wick to help supply juice to the coil faster and prevent them.

There is no recommended limit of 6.5 watts. But Kanger does recommend suitable voltages for their BCCs on the little leaflet that comes with their ProTanks (and on their site):

Recommended Voltage for varying resistance levels:

1.7-1.9ohm - 3.1-3.4V
2.1-2.3ohm - 3.5.3.8V
2.4-2.6ohm - 3.9-4.2V
2.6-3.0ohm - 4.3-4.7V

*The above recommendations are merely a guideline. Personal preference as well as specific set ups, hardware, liquids, etc. can have an effect on the proper Voltage to use.

If you do the math, they recommend wattages from 5.5-7.5 watts, which is about right.

 

[firephly]

Thank you for all your replies
I got a 2.2ohm coil last night and it really worked will with this VG cocnut juice I tried out, actually for some reason it worked better even on the Ego-C than the spinner using a low voltage, which is something I can't figure out.
I went out today and got a 2.8ohm coil and now it's working much better! Now I can turn up the voltage and get more flavor instead of burning it!

I really wish that they had talked to me about this stuff at the store, it isn't something I had thought to ask even. Heck when I bought my first vape device, the Ego-C, and got the kanger tank, they didn't even mention to me that I would need to ever replace the coil.
Right now I'm vaping some things I just got in the mail, some coconut and peach from Highbrow vapors, and some bed of roses, and a few samples from Virgin vapor, and some of them I got with 100% VG and I've found that these subtle flavors work better with a lower voltage than the harsher flavors I had been using from the local store.

So yeah now that I figured out that wattage chart I can see why I was burning my juice and coils before!

Oh yeah, and also, the other night when i got so frustrated, the vape store was closed when I wen tot get a coil, so I got a pack of smokes and they tasted horrible, you'd think that all this frustration would have led me to just go back to analogs, but actually vaping is definitely my first choice now!

 

[firephly]

At the store this was the only atomizer they had for dripping The Octopus RDA The Octopus RDA. I didn't get it though because you always had to build your own coil, and I'm not quite confident enough at this point to tinker around like that.
I wonder if I can get an atomizer that has coils already built in?


I was also thinking about upgrading some day to one of these Super T Simplicity models http://www.supertmanufacturing.com/simplicity.html

 

[firephly]

One more question: When I vape at higher volts, sometimes I get this "simmering" snappy kind of sound, is that ok?

Oh, and I notice the lower part of my protank feels pretty warm after i vape a while, is that ok?

OK, that is two questions....

I have also read that chain vaping isn't such a good thing in general for your equipment, maybe I should up my nicotine levels, I'm using 18 ml.

 

[firephly]

Hi Firephly, let me try to put my spin on your questions.

There is nothing wrong with vaping a 1.8ohm head at 4.8 volts. If you are not getting a burnt taste, it's fine. It's about 12 watts, which may be hot for some, but if it's your sweet spot, then vape away. Oh I was getting a burned taste though

Are you cleaning your heads? I've found that regardless of the juice used, you should probably give them a rinse in hot water every 2-3 tank fills. You could also try a quick dry-burn every few days or so to keep the coil free from gunk.
I don't ever not buy any juice just because it's a little darker or higher VG. Indeed, one of my favorites is 100VG and quite dark - I just give my heads a little love and attention and they can last for 2-3 weeks. I did try rinsing them, but then I put them back in without waiting for them to dry which helped, but now the girl at the vape store told me that after rinsing I should wait 48 hours to put them back in?

So, as you are vaping at about 12 watts, if you drop down to a 2.5ohm head and vape at 3.7 volts, I would suggest it will be way too cool for you. I mean you can try it, and you will get better battery life, but I doubt it will give you the vape you are used to. I'm not sure yet if a warmer vape is what I'm after or not, I just kinda like a "fuller" feeling hit with lots of vapor!

You may consider getting an APV. You can adjust voltage and wattage as you can with your spinner, but the upside is you can use batteries that are upwards of 2000mAH which will give you much longer between charges. I might break down and get one, what is the real difference aside from the battery holding a charge longer?

So as for dripping - yes. It's the easiest way to try a lot of different juices. Again, 2.5ohms seems a little high, you might want to get a 1.8-2.0ohm atty. And unless you plan on just dripping from now on, just one atty will last you weeks and weeks. All you do is rinse them in hot water, blow them out (from where it connects to the battery) and shake 'em dry and then they are ready for a new flavor.

I don't want to write a book, I think I covered the main points, just don't worry too much about vaping the 'right' way. If it is satisfying the cravings the you are probably doing it correctly.

Honestly I wish someone would write a book, a really comprehensive book on vaping, with a large trouble shooting section!

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

I'll add a quick story. When I first started vaping, I watched a lot of videos. Many of the most experienced guys were vaping around 10-12 Watts. I found that was too high, so lowered my watts to about 9.0 - 9.5. When my juice turned dark brown by the end of a tank, it was suggested I try a lower wattage. So, a tried the lighter weight 7.0 watts, sometimes a bit more, and found that everything tasted much better, and the dark juice in the tank went away. I was cooking my juice. Every juice has a different "burning" point, so the experts tell us to adjust to taste. Which makes sense, unless you don't know how it's supposed to taste, lol. A good rule of thumb seems to me, to be about 6.5 - 7.5 watts, and I can find the "sweet spot" there on most juices. There are exceptions, but at least you'll have an idea about how they're supposed to taste, more or less. It's all subjective, so maybe there's no rule of thumb, but that's mine, I guess. Good luck in your VapeQuest!

 

[vjdossey]

This thread is great and is answering some questions I've had/aked and or thought about for some time! I am happy I found this! Thanks for asking firephly! And thanks to all who answered!

 

[genesis530]

I have a really similar set up (ego-ctwist w/ kanger protank2) and was having the same problems with battery heat and "cooking" my juice when i first got it... so i looked up the ohm chart thing. Here i was running it way too high. i have 2.2oHm coil heads and had my battery up to 4.5ish volts. So i turned it down to around 3.8 and it got a lot better. I've also noticed with the protank 2 that if you take out that extra "flavor wick" you wont get that burnt taste or dry hits as often (i use %90-%100 vg). It seems like with the extra wick in there that the juice doesn't have time to be fed in before your next hit (especially when you're chain vaping). So try taking that extra wick out... you really don't need it. One juice i had was VERY thick and i kept getting dry hits so, in addition to not having the extra wick in there, i removed that little rubber cap in there (on the little post on the coil head) and it worked great! When i switched to a thinner juice it would flood though and i had to put it back on... maybe you could try that out too.

I also tried 1.5 ohm dual coil cartomizers (to switch up the flavor every now and then). The chart said to run them around 3.0-3.4 volts. I wasn't really getting a decent hit at those settings so i turned it up in .2 incriminates until it finally started working right around 4.2-4.4. BUT the cartomizer and the top of my batter was getting super hot. I ended up having a drained battery half way through the day (i usually only need to charge mine once every other day or so normally). It even had trouble charging. I just don't think that these kinds of batteries can really handle anything below 1.8 or 2ohms.

Let me know if you figure out why it works better on your smaller battery. When my twist is charging i use this little ego-style Atmos XOptimus (the little blister pack kit i started out with) and the hits seem to be soooooo much smoother on there for some reason. I thought it was because of the spring loaded pin in the 510 connection on the atmos. but as far as i know the other ego batteries don't have that...do they?

I did end up getting a little 2.0oHm dripping atomizer and it works great. It's no where near as fancy as the RDAs and really just looks like a little cartomizer with different guts. You need to drip into it fairly often (easier than it sounds-i keep overdoing it and making a mess) but they really REALLY bring out the flavor. (i do believe it's like these: http://www.eliquidplanet.com/510-atomizer/)

After talking to a few local people about "upgrading" they suggested i try the itaste mvp v2 (the new one). It is variable wattage, voltage, and checks oHms. Plus it's only around $50-$60 bucks. Easy way to get used to fiddling with watts and volts and learning to build coils. It would be a good way to take the "next step" without going broke or getting a pricey one and screwing it up because of lack of experience. No batteries to buy either (and it can charge your phone). (iTaste MVP V2.0, Long-Lasting 2600 mAh Variable Voltage VV Box Mod - Best Electronic Cigarette | E Cigarette Manufacturer| Innokin). I really want the svd but was advised against it (for now) as a beginner.



Somehow just "quitting smoking" turned into a major science lesson...

 

[genesis530]

here is that oHm chart i was talking about. really really super duper handy.

 

[firephly]

I'll add a quick story. When I first started vaping, I watched a lot of videos. Many of the most experienced guys were vaping around 10-12 Watts. I found that was too high, so lowered my watts to about 9.0 - 9.5. When my juice turned dark brown by the end of a tank, it was suggested I try a lower wattage. So, a tried the lighter weight 7.0 watts, sometimes a bit more, and found that everything tasted much better, and the dark juice in the tank went away. I was cooking my juice. Every juice has a different "burning" point, so the experts tell us to adjust to taste. Which makes sense, unless you don't know how it's supposed to taste, lol. A good rule of thumb seems to me, to be about 6.5 - 7.5 watts, and I can find the "sweet spot" there on most juices. There are exceptions, but at least you'll have an idea about how they're supposed to taste, more or less. It's all subjective, so maybe there's no rule of thumb, but that's mine, I guess. Good luck in your VapeQuest!

Thanks! But looking at the chart here http://www.gophoto.it/view.php?i=ht...blr_m9dkanCt0I1qc8949o2_1280.png#.Uli34lOi2aF
I don't see how anyone can vape at 10 watts? It's out of the suitable range....?

I just removed one wick from the coil, that helped! The hit is more intense now.

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Thanks! But looking at the chart here http://www.gophoto.it/view.php?i=ht...blr_m9dkanCt0I1qc8949o2_1280.png#.Uli34lOi2aF
I don't see how anyone can vape at 10 watts? It's out of the suitable range....?

I just removed one wick from the coil, that helped! The hit is more intense now.

Well, a lot of low ohms vapers do vape at those wattages and higher. Depends on coils, juice, resistance and other factors, but it's not that unusual in RBA setups. However, for a clearo with a "standard" resistance coil, it won't work very well. A 1.0 Ohm coil at only 4.0 volts is 16 Watts. At 3.2 volts it's over 10 watts, so low resistance often uses these higher Wattages, in mechanicals, with really good batteries. It's an RBA thing, and truly not that uncommon for more experienced users. I didn't understand the applications at that time, but I use RBA's all the time in those ranges, and it tastes just fine. Live and learn. Best to you!

 

[firephly]

This thread is great and is answering some questions I've had/aked and or thought about for some time! I am happy I found this! Thanks for asking firephly! And thanks to all who answered!

There's way more to learn than I ever realized! I just found an excellent video on how to clean and burn the coil
Care and Feeding of Clearomizers | Store Buy E-cigs E-Cigarettes E-liquids Online

 

[firephly]

There's way more to learn than I ever realized! I just found an excellent video on how to clean and burn the coil
Care and Feeding of Clearomizers | Store Buy E-cigs E-Cigarettes E-liquids Online

Update: OK I burned the wick the way she showed, it worked spectacularly!