Rant time.... Blind leading the Blind... and destroying our community!!!

[Prometheus72]

I'm so sick of all these pop up vendors selling juice and reselling FT hardware etc (tanks/mods etc) with NO KNOWLEDGE of what they are selling, how things work, or how to even use them!!!

These guys (there's a couple in my city currently) are the reason we have such a fight on our hands! These guys sell VW/VV mods like the DNA30 but have no idea about rebuilding...so they sell them coupled with freaking clearos???

And when they DO sell an RBA/RDA etc they have no idea how to build themselves...what batteries are safe etc.

AND....they make the juice they sell in their fricken kitchens...the worst part is newbies buy this .... (juice especially) unknowingly and risk being made sick etc.
They use the cheapest .... in their juices and sell them to unsuspecting newbies for $15.00/30ml? ...?

I've been in several vape shops and none of them knew anything about mods/tanks/dripping rebuilding etc....yet they'll happily sell you a rebuildable tank/dripper etc and some wire (way overpriced wire btw) and let you walk out of there with a 3amp 3500mah 18650 battery???

I amost WANT to call for regulation just to put these idiots out of business. Am I alone in this feeling?

 

[KurrptSenate]

do you get mad at best buy employing sales reps that know nothing about the products they sell?

because it's pretty much on par with what you're talking about

 

[DetraMental]

Ummmm, yeah. I know a lot of places that sell products they don't know the internal workings of. I mean it's nice if they do but it wouldn't deter me from buying because I'm capable of researching an item myself.

 

[wonkeypickle]

do you get mad at best buy employing sales reps that know nothing about the products they sell?

because it's pretty much on par with what you're talking about

last night i asked the gentleman working at tacobell if the dr. pepper frozen smoothie thing has caffeine in it. i got a blank stare, then a i'm not sure, then a let me go check, then a "nope i don't think it does". There are people all over the world peddling products they've never even tried, and with vaping being the hottest new "trend" , everyone and their neighbor is out to see if they can make a buck before the whole thing pops and your mod is being cnc'd by the marlboro man himself.

the point? BUYER BEWARE. Do your research, as with well..... just about everything else in life.




oh and if anyone was wondering, it would appear the dr. pepper freeze did in fact not have caffeine.

 

[bulldog63h]

do you get mad at best buy employing sales reps that know nothing about the products they sell?

because it's pretty much on par with what you're talking about

Fair point, but a printer isn't going to explode in your face if you put the wrong paper in it.

 

[KurrptSenate]

most likely the printer won't explode, sure. I'll concede that point.

fact remains that if you're playing a lot of trust in a complete stranger to inform you about your purchase you are most likely doing it wrong.

 

[Kalaniboi81]

I completely agree as far as selling products they know absolutely nothing about. I remember the first run in i had with this. I was researching my first mechanical and finally made a decision to pick up the Magneto when i heard they installed an adjustable pin. When i went in i asked the guy if they were selling version 2 and he sorted just nodded then when i asked if it had an adjustable pin he looked confused. When i showed him he got all surprised and said " thanks! I've been wondering what an adjustable pin was" ???? pretty sad when the customer can school you on your own product IMO.

 

[Circa Survivor]

I don't really mind if they don't know anything about what they're selling, because I DO. We can't expect every shop to know everything. I went into my local B&M with my Reo and the guy has never seen one of them before and hasn't even heard the concept of bottom feeding. Some are more knowledgeable than others, but it's up to you to do YOUR research.

 

[Vaslovik]

What so bothers me about this is the idiots at B&M's who will sell an ego rig user a mech and sub-ohm built RBA that he has not the least idea how to rebuild or use safely, and they will sell it to him with batteries that are not safe at all to use! They just want to get his money and send him out the door with it.

It's like: "Here, this will vape so totally awesome you won' t believe it!" [.2 ohm build on a clone RBA on a $12 Fastech mech with gray Trustfire battery in it.]

"Here, you really need this Trustfire charger, and you might need this kanthal, that will be $4 a foot, and that will be $224.96, thankyouverymuch!"

 

[eratikmind]

As usual . . . Buyer beware and do your homework.

 

[keepsmiling]

oh and if anyone was wondering, it would appear the dr. pepper freeze did in fact not have caffeine.

I doubt it is caffeine free, considering an 8 oz serving of dr. pepper has 28 mg of caffeine
Regular Dr Pepper = 28 mg of caffeine per 8 fluid ounces
Dr Pepper - UNDEFINED PAGE TITLE

 

[DC2]

My biggest pet peeve in life is probably this...

You call customer service to ask a question, and the words "I think" are included in the response.
Trust me, you don't ever want to be on the receiving end of my call if you are going to use those words.

 

[bluecat]

You are calling for regulation. It isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Still there is nothing wrong with putting a clearo on a DNA 30 device. I like peanut butter on my ice cream.

 

[Circa Survivor]

What so bothers me about this is the idiots at B&M's who will sell an ego rig user a mech and sub-ohm built RBA that he has not the least idea how to rebuild or use safely, and they will sell it to him with batteries that are not safe at all to use! They just want to get his money and send him out the door with it.

It's like: "Here, this will vape so totally awesome you won' t believe it!" [.2 ohm build on a clone RBA with gray Trustfire battery in it.]

"Here, you really need this Trustfire charger, and you might need this kanthal, that will be $4 a foot, and that will be $224.96, thankyouverymuch!"

I do agree with this. But if a B&M doesn't know much about what mods they're selling and whatnot, I highly doubt they know anything about building super sub ohm coils @_@

 

[inswva]

I've been in a couple of the local B&Ms recently. One was horrible, the other pretty good. The good one had a *fairly* knowledgeable staff who were polite and happy to assist customers. One of the staff actually talked a newbie out of a mech mod (the customer wanted a Stingray clone because it looked "cool") and steered him towards an entry level regulated device. They had a coil building station and a decent selection of hardware (albeit slightly overpriced).

Although some responsibility should lie with the vendor, the onus of safety and fiscal responsibility is ultimately on the customer. For as many ignorant vendors, there are 10x as many ignorant consumers. If some guy is willing to pay $5 for a 3ft long section of Kanthal or $24.99 for a VTC5, that's his problem.

 

[Vaslovik]

I do agree with this. But if a B&M doesn't know much about what mods they're selling and whatnot, I highly doubt they know anything about building super sub ohm coils @_@

Oh I have actually run into this locally. The kids they hire at some B&M's get the jobs because they are seen as vaping geeks who know their stuff. Unfortunately, in a couple instances I saw they thought it was totally cool to shove their dangerous builds into the hands of unknowing customers. I knew one of them at a B&M that has since gone out of business, and before that store went down he was fired for stealing and drug use. Turned out he wasn't the only one there doing those things. I think I know why they went out of business.

 

[8dragon9]

I am on the buyer beware side. I know that "newbies" end up with unsafe equipment etc because of shops that have zero knowledge of their product line. But these are the same people that will happily buy (insert product here) with zero knowledge, or refuse to even ask about the product itself. I have seen this happen in vape shops as much as other areas of retail. Custemor walks in, looks in the case, tells cashier I want this, this, and that. They pay, they leave. Do you expect a retailer to ignore a typically full shop, and point out all the errors this particular noob is making? This sort of concept is all well and good on ECF but in a real retail environment it is not easy to take the time necassary to weed out people like this, or educate everyone who walks through the door. I personally think with the vast wealth of knowledge found withint .24 seconds on the internet, no one should walk into a shop to buy a set-up without having any idea at all about it.
Now to the knowledge part, and the flip side no shop should be uneducated to the point they are selling improper combinations of gear, batteries etc. custemor says I want a nemesis, a patriot, and one of those 18650 things than yes they shop should be stating that they want (insert proper battery here) instead. The other problem you have is a good chunk of patrons want the cheapest things they can buy, which usually is not the right or proper set-up but you can't change the money in someones pocket. Long story short I support darwinism, if a consumer can not educate themselves about something they want to stick in their face and inhale, than they shouldn't have a right to complain about the consequences.

 

[bulldog63h]

I agree that it ultimately falls on the customer to know what they're buying, especially because they're forking out their hard earned cash for it. The sad reality, though, is that some people have no clue where to look. I didn't know ECF existed for the first two years I was vaping. I didn't even know ecigs existed until my wife told me about them. I just believe if you're going to sell something that could be dangerous if misused, you should be educated about your product and pass that knowledge on to the customer.

 

[ronchinoy]

The only thing people care about is price.
Do you thing FT educates its user's ?

In my country most of the guys selling e-cig have no clue what they are selling. One guy sold me stands of cotton and called it Silica wick.
When I asked him ... is this all I got was an apology. No refund. No replacement.
It was advertised on his site as Silica Wick.

Shops are for people who want instant gratification the rest of the world uses FT.

 

[Lurch]

I reported on this earlier, but I stopped in a B&M in a town about 30 minutes from me. The first clue was that one side of the store was motorcycle helmets, the other vaping equipment. I asked if they carried any Russians, the lady responded "no, but we just got some of these Aspire units, my husband is using one now..." Looked over at the husband who had a Nautilus sitting on a 650 stick battery. Looked like a giant lollipop!

Asked if they carried any wire. She said that they didn't but people kept asking so she might get some in, and asked me what kind she should get.

The husband then pointed over to a rack of EVOD toppers and asked if I wanted to try some juice. The samplers were sitting directly in the front window, fully exposed to the Florida sun. You could see stuff floating in the juice!! I passed....

I fully understand that people may not know everything about the business they are getting into, but I had the feeling that motorcycle helmets were not selling well so they decided to add another product. Do some research first!!!!