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I learned that too with a few IStick50's I bought in a ECF coop at compared to Canadian prices(a start the car moment) were almost a steal. My wife went through 2 of them alternating using 1 while the other charged for about 8 months before I heard some complaining bout dying too fast from the wife. The other one I used and within a year it began to crap out too. All 3 sit with their batteries removed ready for one day to replace the batts. I ain't throwing away a perfectly working board when a bit of DIY of batts is all.
Lesson learnt about internal batts in a hitter.
I've had very good luck with mods in our 5 years with only 1 death of a evic I killed using their software but no mod failures as of yet.
Depends on what you're talking about....if you're talking about a ham sammich, it's ''mustard" . If you're talking about an inspection of sorts or a potential murder suspect who was recently seen in the library with a Candlestick, then it's "muster".
Wait, so it's spicy mustard made from 55 batches of old pale ale? With roasted garlic? That CAN'T be good, except it probably is good.
We always had to use Grey Poupon growing up at my house.... You know what they say about new money, though. All style, no substance. It's really not that great compared to
YELLOW MUSTARD (knockoff brand) which we will be eating with Chili and Hot Baked pretzels for dinner tonight. My primary household doesn't know the meaning of the word "new money" or "old money" or "money." You'd think I'd be cooking it, but the husband distracted himself by "taking charge of dinner." I let him.. He managed to gouge the heck out of his hand.... and has vaped his way through it, so far. LOL. WIN!
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We always had to use Grey Poupon growing up at my house.... You know what they say about new money, though. All style, no substance. It's really not that great compared to
YELLOW MUSTARD (knockoff brand) which we will be eating with Chili and Hot Baked pretzels for dinner tonight. My primary household doesn't know the meaning of the word "new money" or "old money" or "money." You'd think I'd be cooking it, but the husband distracted himself by "taking charge of dinner." I let him.. He managed to gouge the heck out of his hand.... and has vaped his way through it, so far. LOL. WIN!
Anna
Love my Smok. I have both the Al85 and 22wTC. I take pretty good care of mine. Have a case I carry it around in, but in the end, the paint gets crappy, I will throw a 10 wrap on it. They have some really amazing looking ones.
Things are changing so much, so fast, all the companies are just making them as fast as they can, sell them, and wait for the new improved model to be finished. Rinse and Repeat. Any Mod under a 100 bucks you gotta look at as it as disposable. Nothing lasts forever. I am simply a "glass is half full" person. Ok, so sometime down the road, my 70 dollar smok mod dies, look how many cigs it kept me from smoking, and how much money it saved me in just cigs alone.
People wanna complain about vaping mods, and this and that. Well my friend, if the mod, or whatever stresses you out that much, stop vaping, go with a nic patch, or chantex, or simply quit. Vaping is not the only option to stop smoking. IMHO, vaping has just become the "Cool" thing to do. People forget the big picture. Use it to stop smoking. Now if you wanna be someone that long term vapes, then yea, maybe a 70 dollar mod is not the best investment, you get what you pay for. Spend the cash, buy something better. If you long term goal is to quit, and stop vaping, then a 70 dollar Smok will be just fine. If your goal is to long term vape, then spend the cash, buy something better.
Mods are not bullet proof. They get dropped, or simply go bad. Happens. In the end, people tend to forget, all they are, is tiny computers, They are fragile. But just like cell phones, there will always be that new model that is the flavor of the month. People will dispose of the old, replace it with the new improved model. Vape mods same thing. The company that makes them have no intention of someone using them for the next 5 years. They want you to use them short term, then buy the next new improved model, and get rid of the old one. Its how they make there money, and stay in business.
You simply can not expect to spend 100 bucks on a mod, and get the same value as you would on a 200 mod. Smok is for the people that wanna stop smoking, stop vaping. They are short term mods to used to reach the long term goals of never smoking, or vaping again. If vaping long term is the goal, then spend the cash, and go a different route.
Things are changing so much, so fast, all the companies are just making them as fast as they can, sell them, and wait for the new improved model to be finished. Rinse and Repeat. Any Mod under a 100 bucks you gotta look at as it as disposable. Nothing lasts forever. I am simply a "glass is half full" person. Ok, so sometime down the road, my 70 dollar smok mod dies, look how many cigs it kept me from smoking, and how much money it saved me in just cigs alone.
People wanna complain about vaping mods, and this and that. Well my friend, if the mod, or whatever stresses you out that much, stop vaping, go with a nic patch, or chantex, or simply quit. Vaping is not the only option to stop smoking. IMHO, vaping has just become the "Cool" thing to do. People forget the big picture. Use it to stop smoking. Now if you wanna be someone that long term vapes, then yea, maybe a 70 dollar mod is not the best investment, you get what you pay for. Spend the cash, buy something better. If you long term goal is to quit, and stop vaping, then a 70 dollar Smok will be just fine. If your goal is to long term vape, then spend the cash, buy something better.
Mods are not bullet proof. They get dropped, or simply go bad. Happens. In the end, people tend to forget, all they are, is tiny computers, They are fragile. But just like cell phones, there will always be that new model that is the flavor of the month. People will dispose of the old, replace it with the new improved model. Vape mods same thing. The company that makes them have no intention of someone using them for the next 5 years. They want you to use them short term, then buy the next new improved model, and get rid of the old one. Its how they make there money, and stay in business.
You simply can not expect to spend 100 bucks on a mod, and get the same value as you would on a 200 mod. Smok is for the people that wanna stop smoking, stop vaping. They are short term mods to used to reach the long term goals of never smoking, or vaping again. If vaping long term is the goal, then spend the cash, and go a different route.
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A few mods were built like tanks.
ProVari Mini vs Briggs & Stratton Lawnmower - And the winner is ...
This darn Provari just WILL NOT DIE!
But you can drop 60$ and get the value of a 20$ mod
For about $55 from GearBest you can get this:
NOTE: I do NOT recommend this mod simply because the battery vent holes point directly at your face while in use.
Question. I get that all the hype and marketing plays into the success of a product. But profit is the motivator. You have first person experience.
Is the wholesale price to vendors also a factor? In other words, do shops stock SMOK also because there is a large mark up, therefore profit?
Middleman vendors pick and choose which product they predict will be a worthwhile product for them to sell, and then attempt to make an agreement with the manufacturer to buy a larger quantity of that product at a somewhat reduced price because they are buying in quantity. For instance, our francise manager would purchase a large quantity of a particular mod or tank to supply several different stores, in addition to the online website. There generally is a warranty period that the manufacturer will offer the vendor for that product. Any returns for a defective product during that period is re-imbersed with either money or a replacement product of same value, with terms for that reimbursement agreed upon in a bill of sale contract.
You can go to a website like Alibaba and see the prices of products purchased in a large quantity, such as 500 minimum pieces. We generally dealt directly with SMOK.
SMOK products weren't particularly expensive compared to other manufacturer products comparatively. IMHO, their marketing was more focused on the beginner or intermediate consumer: based more on cosmetic appearance (unique colors, shapes) than function or quality. Quality control didn't seem to be a priority. It's my self-described SMOK motto, "We make cheap. You buy cheap. It break? You buy another."
In the case with SMOK, our experience was they were incredibly inconsistant with their reimbursement contracts. In many cases, SMOK would argue that the terms for replacement had not been met either by the consumer or by us as the vendor, and as a result of those disagreements we often had to eat the losses internally. It wasn't good business practice for us to continue to deal with SMOK because of this, so our manager decided to stop doing business with SMOK altogether at a point in time.
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Spend some time in China and you will see that this exact motto is how people produce stuff there and it is widely accepted by consumers that that's just the way it is. I'm not judging here, just saying there is a different culture in China with regards to quality and longevity of products that's very different to our own.
没办法 - meibanfa is what you will hear a lot when something breaks/goes wrong - "not a whole lot you can do about that", no sense of entitlement for a warranty or that it shouldn't have broken, in contrast to western culture.
So your chinese parts should be proud and not offended
Perhaps I wasn't clear....the point he made didn't offend me, it was his accent .Spend some time in China and you will see that this exact motto is how people produce stuff there and it is widely accepted by consumers that that's just the way it is. I'm not judging here, just saying there is a different culture in China with regards to quality and longevity of products that's very different to our own.
没办法 - meibanfa is what you will hear a lot when something breaks/goes wrong - "not a whole lot you can do about that", no sense of entitlement for a warranty or that it shouldn't have broken, in contrast to western culture.
So your chinese parts should be proud and not offended
I totally agree with this.
It starts with Chinese metals being of a poorer quality than say US made. I recall an ECF member who was a construction mechanical engineer by trade and saying that steel beams made in China were barely above standard by US regulation standards.
Then consider that China reverse engineers their microchips. They rarely are cutting edge or innovative in the technology field because they "copy" the better chip makers' technology with generally less than favorable results. YiHi may be the lone exception in this case as they make great chips.
Then there is the quality control issue. China abides by today's disposable society. They realize most consumers take it for granted that consumer products aren't built to last. We don't have too much choice because China makes so many of our consumable products. International manufacturers generally can't compete with China's low cost products, so many of the international manufacturers have dwindled away.
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I know I should avoid this thread but here I am. Love SMOk mods. I have 4 on hand at this time. My oldest is just about 3 years old now, built in battery or batteries and still holds a charge for a couple of days of solid use and works as good as the day I bought it. SMOK is one of the only brands of mods that I have purchased that have never failed me. I cannot speak about their customer service but everything else is grade A. I have not had any issues with paint at all. None of my SMOK tanks have had issues with paint either.
I do have a sigelei that I purchased last November and it is by far the worst mod I have ever owned. The paint or coating started to wear off that very same month and the battery compartment sucks. First week owning it I noticed the battery door didn't look quite right and found that the magnet had come unglued. Fixed that. The batteries move around a bit within which is annoying.
I could go on and on about all the mods I have bought that suck but SMOK have worked well for me. Also my joyetech cuboid is a great device. That thing has been going strong since it released. Other than the paint wearing off from so much use it still works perfectly.
It sucks that your experience has been poor though.
I do have a sigelei that I purchased last November and it is by far the worst mod I have ever owned. The paint or coating started to wear off that very same month and the battery compartment sucks. First week owning it I noticed the battery door didn't look quite right and found that the magnet had come unglued. Fixed that. The batteries move around a bit within which is annoying.
I could go on and on about all the mods I have bought that suck but SMOK have worked well for me. Also my joyetech cuboid is a great device. That thing has been going strong since it released. Other than the paint wearing off from so much use it still works perfectly.
It sucks that your experience has been poor though.
I am sincerely happy for you. If others had the same luck as you then we wouldn't be having this discussion.
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