Ranting on ignorance.

[Bramble]

Nor should it. There are actually medical BENEFITS to nicotine. One of which seems to be a reduced risk to Alzheimer's.

Oh for sure. Alzheimer's, ADHD, anxiety/depression. I always trade nicotine for anxiety/depression prescriptions. Every time. You want to know some dangerous freaky addictions ... lol - if I get any say in the matter, I will vape. It's cheaper, and at least I get the cool gadgets and flavors (and in small enough, relatively immediate, doses that I get to control). For me, it is a far cry from being the horrifying addiction that many might like to believe.

They didn't used to understand nicotine's effects on serotonin and other neurotransmitters, but now it's accepted, and I know that this is just something that helps me to function better. I'm not ashamed of it and other people can think whatever they want. I'm not hurting anyone. But it will be harmful to me if I either go back to tobacco or prescriptions so I tend to advocate keeping it an option for adults.

 

[cantstopwontstop]

The heck with em.]!!! That's why my user name is what it is.

 

[Tempesta]

I still can't get over people thinking that the only purpose of flavored e-liquid is to attract kids! What kind of a universe do some people live in? Do they eat the same thing every day? Very unlikely, because almost everyone likes variety. What is the food movement all about if not taste, and variety, and pleasing the senses? Or maybe the ANTZ are really Puritans, in which case I can only feel sorry about how narrrow their lives are.

 

[Bramble]

I still can't get over people thinking that the only purpose of flavored e-liquid is to attract kids! What kind of a universe do some people live in? Do they eat the same thing every day? Very unlikely, because almost everyone likes variety. What is the food movement all about if not taste, and variety, and pleasing the senses? Or maybe the ANTZ are really Puritans, in which case I can only feel sorry about how narrrow their lives are.

Maybe we should make an argument that kids should not be drinking Mt. Dew or espresso or eating Cinna-Bons

 

[Rocketpunk]

I quote this here at least once a month in these threads:

"Never argue with an idiot. They will only drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."

and

"Never argue with an idiot. Onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."

Do not even acknowledge them. You're living your life, they're living theirs, and what they say has no ultimate control or influence over who you are or what you do. Ignore them and move along.

 

[cantstopwontstop]

I don't buy the flavoring argument. Maybe we should only be able to drink alcohol that tastes like straight alcohol. I mean really is flavoring vodka different than flavoring vapor?? It makes vaping more attractive than smoking because yea I would rather have my nicotine taste like delicious peaches than an ashtray. pshhh

 

[ScottP]

Do not even acknowledge them. You're living your life, they're living theirs, and what they say has no ultimate control or influence over who you are or what you do. Ignore them and move along.

Except in our case that is NOT necessarily true. Many of those said idiots are actively working against vaping, voting for candidates that oppose vaping, and helping to spread ignorance like some kind of new super flu. If they would just sit quietly in their corner in ignorant bliss then I would agree with you.

 

[RoseB]

Maybe we should make an argument that kids should not be drinking Mt. Dew or espresso or eating Cinna-Bons

Oh boy When I worked at gas stations I would refuse to sell kids energy drinks. Should've kept a bar of soap on hand, because they called me some foul names! Including the c word! I didn't even know that word until high school.

 

[Storm52]

This was said in a few posts back and really stuck with me. Big tobacco? People, they have already cornered the market, chances are you've either already purchased something produced or owned by one of the big tobacco firms or will in the future. If you can't beat it, join or buy it. When Joe Public starts associating e-cigarettes with the big tobacco boys, you're done for in public. Get used to it.
I very new to this and started only to get off analogs. Wife and I were spending $90 every 10 days on 2 cartons. That has been halved. Right now, this is a new delivery method for nicotine. Now I have to admit that I've vaped (we need to get that word added to the dictionary) in places I would never have smoked. Inside church office, their kitchen, 7 year old grandson's birthday party place. All the people that noticed were curious. Most congratulated me on making the move.
My fear, although minor right now, is regulation - which my local B&M shop says they wouldn't mind if it was constructed properly - Once you get legislation to regulate, then comes bans, taxes and another nanny - no super sized cokes - state.

 

[Rocketpunk]

Except in our case that is NOT necessarily true. Many of those said idiots are actively working against vaping, voting for candidates that oppose vaping, and helping to spread ignorance like some kind of new super flu. If they would just sit quietly in their corner in ignorant bliss then I would agree with you.

Oh, I understand this very well. And when I encounter people like that, it's completely different that John Q. Public who has no venture in this and is just spouting ignorance he heard through hearsay. Those people are just ordinary folks you encounter in life who are just ignorant. Those who oppose vaping so much they make a stance and take action against it, yes, they require different types of attention.

 

[Bramble]

[...]Once you get legislation to regulate, then comes bans, taxes and another nanny - no super sized cokes - state.

I worry most that it will become cost-prohibitive via taxes and drive people back to tobacco. It's like our situation here with air pollution. People are encouraged to use mass transit... but it costs pretty much the same to drive or ride commuter rail, and there are numerous inconveniences involved with transit... so most people are still driving cars.

E-cigs are on the verge of becoming the same way, where it's over-regulated. If it's banned everywhere, you're standing out in the elements breathing SHS in the smoking areas, and costs the same as tobacco, and doesn't quite do for people what smoking does anyway, people will continue to smoke.

 

[LPDoll]

That sucks!

 

[DaveP]

I worry most that it will become cost-prohibitive via taxes and drive people back to tobacco. It's like our situation here with air pollution. People are encouraged to use mass transit... but it costs pretty much the same to drive or ride commuter rail, and there are numerous inconveniences involved with transit... so most people are still driving cars.

E-cigs are on the verge of becoming the same way, where it's over-regulated. If it's banned everywhere, you're standing out in the elements breathing SHS in the smoking areas, and costs the same as tobacco, and doesn't quite do for people what smoking does anyway, people will continue to smoke.

I have the hardware. If juice is banned I will just go to Tractor Supply and buy USP grade PG and then over to Walmart for some USP VG and find a place that will sell me USP grade nic in 100mg strength. Lorann's Flavorings has most of the cake and candy additives I need for sweet vapes, but the plain old PG/VG mix is enough like tobacco for me to be happy.

All will be fine. I don't see hardware being outlawed. I actually believe that the powers that be realize that vaping is better than smoking. It's the tobacco tax revenue they receive that makes them want to reduce the competition. For those who just hate the act of smoking, those people will always be trying to make our lives match theirs.

Don't talk about how bad my ecig is for me while you are eating a double cheesburger and a large chocolate/mocha shake and feeding your kids chicken nuggets with glycerin plasticizer ingredients.

 

[tj99959]

See that is a fantastic point for anywhere except Utah. Because here, they actually do ban or over-regulate anything they don't want kids to get their hands on. Case in point: so-called "alco-pops" like wine coolers - those used to be sold in supermarkets but some legislator's kid got a hold of some, and the next thing we knew, you could not longer get them anywhere but the state liquor stores.

They are doing the same thing with ecigs. While I am in favor of severe and prohibitive penalties for anyone supplying tobacco, e-cigs, or alcohol to under age people, this idea that adults can't have something because "kids might get it" is really out of control here.

I am not here to be a role model to others' kids... although I do make one hell of a cautionary tale

Get active Bramble (if you aren't already)

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Dave, they're not really outlawing anything, they're just making it impossible to get.
age limit of 21
ban on online sales.

It's easy to be 100 miles or more from the nearest B&M in Utah.
The result of this years legislative push would hand the e-cig industry over to BT in most of Utah with Blu being sold at every rural gas station.

 

[Bramble]

LOL don't even get me started on the unhealthy things people eat. I'm vegan But not the kind that goes around telling people what to do or trying to ban what other people eat... I have always believed that if you have a good idea, you should share it and tell people why it's a good idea give them support if they want to try it. A truly good idea doesn't have to be shoved down people's throats, literally or figuratively. That is my position with vaping.

 

[DaveP]

Get active Bramble (if you aren't already)

Call to Action 1

Dave, they're not really outlawing anything, they're just making it impossible to get.
age limit of 21
ban on online sales.

It's easy to be 100 miles or more from the nearest B&M in Utah.
The result of this years legislative push would hand the e-cig industry over to BT in most of Utah with Blu being sold at every rural gas station.

Banning is in the portfolio of ANTZ these days. They want to get rid of anything that resembles smoking or provides nicotine, except that which is sold by big pharma, IMO. Big tobacco wants to protect their emerging ecig product by requiring that all ecigs be sold in stores with no online access.

In Utah, that might mean you have to buy the BT version or drive a long way to a B&M vaping store. Of course, that legislation may foster the creation of many new B&M's for the current products.

 

[Bramble]

Get active Bramble (if you aren't already)

Call to Action 1

Dave, they're not really outlawing anything, they're just making it impossible to get.
age limit of 21
ban on online sales.

It's easy to be 100 miles or more from the nearest B&M in Utah.
The result of this years legislative push would hand the e-cig industry over to BT in most of Utah with Blu being sold at every rural gas station.

Yes I'm going to send them an email today, thanks.

Also Dave I'm not really worried about how I personally will continue to get supplies if these laws pass... there are several B&M stores near me (heck for that matter I visit Idaho about once a month too). But overall, yeah - these laws will hinder other people from trying eCigs and Utah can continue to hypocritically condemn smoking while taking their share of revenue from taxes.

 

[beckdg]

I've read plenty of people's ranting on here, my turn.

I was at the grocery store (one I use to work at) and an old coworker noticed my PV (which I was not using). I tried explaining what it was and she as a close-minded non smoker didn't hear a word. She genuinely believes nicotine is the carcinogen in cigarettes and likewise my vape is just as bad. The cherry on top of my headache is when I mentioned the different flavors she responded "that just tells you they are targeting kids"

I have no words to express my annoyance at this ignorance... At least no words the moderators will let me post.

headline on the 11:00 news here tonight;

"2 suspects arrested in previous suicide bombing"

i'm thinking case closed. it's everywhere... and apparently contagious.

 

[Subdivisions]

The BS about protecting the children is the classic way to get into the minds of the masses to get a ban in place. People generally look at this as a 'good' thing and will go along with it. If the majority isn't raising hell about it then they can do what they want. If that is allowed to continue then there is no limit to what can be done in the name of keeping your children safe. Your children are your responsibility, not the governments.

 

[ScottP]

"2 suspects arrested in previous suicide bombing".

Wait. Say what?!?!?! If it was a suicide bombing how was there anything left of them to arrest?
Unless they were just something like planners and material gatherers meaning the tag line it's a bit misleading.

I remember years ago reading an article in the local paper about a shooting that occurred. The paper reported that the gun used was an "automatic revolver". For those that don't know, a gun can either be automatic OR a revolver but not both.