Really need help/advice ...

[VNeil]

Seems the only one here that needs a course in reading comprehension is you. When someone come here relating potential serious health symptoms and receives replies such as those listed below it is basically saying I don't think you have a real problem but try this instead.

The word "doctor" occurs 32 times before you entered this thread. I think the advice to see a doctor was more than well covered, thank you. Your list was extraordinarily well filtered to avoid any of that, don't you think?????

It appears that there is an increasingly strong Political Correctness here, slamming anyone that mentions vaping related solutions to any ailment mentioned here.

But this is the unassailable fact here: If you are a USA resident, then the medical profession you rely on has been taught, by the government and by every "official" medical institution, that vaping is worse than smoking. That is WRONG, it really SUCKS but it is the world we live in. We simply cannot rely on our doctors to give us good vaping related advice. In addition to relying on our medical professionals for things external to vaping, we need to take care of ourselves. That takes a two pronged approach and that two pronged approach was well covered here, unless you insist on filtering out one prong to persist in your Political Correctness.

 

[Falconeer]

Sorry to hear this Rose - your posts when you were in the early days of not smoking were an inspiration and so well written. I enjoyed every one.

Indeed see a Doctor and best wishes.

Do keep us posted.

 

[RoseJ]

I really do get the "go to the doctor" advice, and had already planned on it next week, so no need to stress that to me. I know these symptoms are very serious, and I'm not going to take them lightly.

My main reason for posting, was that I wondered if anyone else had experienced or heard of anything like this. The sudden onset absolutely bamboozles me. I've been vaping with no problems for months now. Thanks to you all who replied ...

 

[RoseJ]

Sorry to hear this Rose - your posts when you were in the early days of not smoking were an inspiration and so well written. I enjoyed every one.

Indeed see a Doctor and best wishes.

Do keep us posted.

Thank you, Falconeer, and you've always been very kind and helpful.

I'm really hoping that I don't have to quit vaping, but I'll never go back to smoking. Will see the doc next week.

 

[RoseJ]

We simply cannot rely on our doctors to give us good vaping related advice. In addition to relying on our medical professionals for things external to vaping, we need to take care of ourselves. That takes a two pronged approach and that two pronged approach was well covered here, unless you insist on filtering out one prong to persist in your Political Correctness.

Well said, and so true.

 

[RoseJ]

Honestly, going to your doctor should be your very first priority and should have already happened. Vaping may be aggravating an underlying condition that needs immediate medical attention.

For example; nicotine is a vasoconstrictor (altho at your usage levels unlikely to be the issue here) so say for instance you have a blood clot, your arteries contract due to nicotine use, oxygen is held up at the choke point ....symptoms occur only while using nicotine. This is not a diagnosis I am just trying to point out the flaws in your current thinking.

I do understand your concern about having your doctor tell you to stop vaping and not wanting to hear that. You could try seeing your doctor and not going overboard about how it only happens while vaping. That way they would at least look further than to just say "stop vaping". Then again, I am not advocating that you lie to your doctor. They most likely would look into your symptoms further AND tell you to stop vaping also. They have so much malpractice to worry about after all.

When I was a smoker I had trouble because my doctor was a nazi about it. When I didnt feel good he would just point to the cigs and say "stop smoking" and look no further. I got sicker and sicker until finally I had to change doctors. The next one found an auto-immune disease, verified it with blood tests and I've been on meds for it for the past 15 years. I feel fine now.

So I get the doctor thing, but you are risking your health by not going immediately ....and by immediately I mean, like if your having symptoms of a heart attack ( not saying that you are) you don't wait 5 days or more to call for help, you go immediately.

Just my opinion of course....but you did ask for advice.

Thank you! I don't believe I'm having heart problems, but I'll get it checked regardless. You're right about trying to get my doctor to look past the vaping at any other related issues, which is also my concern. We'll see.

 

[Lessifer]

Thank you! I don't believe I'm having heart problems, but I'll get it checked regardless. You're right about trying to get my doctor to look past the vaping at any other related issues, which is also my concern. We'll see.

Please don't wait.
Rosie O'Donnell's Heart Attack - Go Red for Women

 

[Two_Bears]

Yep, I do plan on seeing my doctor, very soon. Mostly I think she'll say that if vaping causes these problems, then stop vaping. Before I do that though, I wanted to get opinions from ECF.

A LOT of people have problems with PG. Including me.

Why not make a batch of Juice with 15-20% PG.

Chris (Indoor Smokers) on YouTube has a PG allergy. As long as he keeps tge PG 20% or less he is fine.

Of course have your doctor run some tests to see what is happening

 

[Two_Bears]

I really do get the "go to the doctor" advice, and had already planned on it next week, so no need to stress that to me. I know these symptoms are very serious, and I'm not going to take them lightly.

My main reason for posting, was that I wondered if anyone else had experienced or heard of anything like this. The sudden onset absolutely bamboozles me. I've been vaping with no problems for months now. Thanks to you all who replied ...

Did you change brands of nicotine or change USP grade VG or PG for food grade?

I only ever use USP OR Kosher grade of VG AND PG.

 

[MagicJosh]

I guess maybe you should stress it! Jeez.....loueez

 

[Frenchfry1942]

@RoseJ , There can be any number of possibilities present. Although, going to a doctor is nearly always the best idea, the trick is to find an informed one. Like many professionals, they are busy. They get trade publications, reports, and attend symposiums as they can. Again, just relying on a doctor can be tricky.

A friend of mine, a pharmacologist, just switched to Nicorette. He just does it in the evening when he wants to settle. I think he sees it as a treat. Anyway, like he says, it is not smoking and I understand that it is a lot less nic than smoking, too.

Anyway, it seems a process of elimination would be helpful. Different brands, different levels, allergies, maybe a doctor can help. I have always thought to address a problem quickly.

Good health, I hope.

 

[Talen]

It appears that there is an increasingly strong Political Correctness here, slamming anyone that mentions vaping related solutions to any ailment mentioned here.

It's not slamming when you point out that someone mentioned possibly serious symptoms ( as I stated all of the aforementioned symptoms are symptoms of a possible heart attack )
and no one here is qualified to give advice to said symptoms. The average person will ignore heart attack symptoms easily and many die as a result. It's kind of a no brainer that we should tell people to go see a doctor immediately and not even bother to try and deduce if there is too much pg or vg involved or perhaps the wattage is too high.

 

[VNeil]

It's not slamming when you point out that someone mentioned possibly serious symptoms ( as I stated all of the aforementioned symptoms are symptoms of a possible heart attack )
and no one here is qualified to give advice to said symptoms. The average person will ignore heart attack symptoms easily and many die as a result. It's kind of a no brainer that we should tell people to go see a doctor immediately and not even bother to try and deduce if there is too much pg or vg involved or perhaps the wattage is too high.

Rose came in here asking for VAPING RELATED SOLUTIONS to her problem. She specifically discussed the medical side, and specifically stated that she believes, right, wrong or indifferent, that her heart should be fine. And she is one of the most intelligent and articulate members here. And her opening post here was a masterpiece in organization and succinctly stating her problem and her questions.

Some of us complied with her request for VAPING RELATED SOLUTIONS.

And then several people came in here and basically derailed her thread, her request for information, by slamming those that "dared" to actually comply with her request. And here you persist. You say you are not slamming anyone and in the next breath you make it clear that vaping related solutions are not acceptable discussion. Can't you even be honest about your agenda here?

I have a suggestion... for all those insisting their right to shut down any discussion of what Rose wanted discussed... this forum has a rather lengthy list of things we cannot discuss. If you think that finding vaping related solutions to a vaper's ailments should not be permissible then talk to the forum admins and see if you can get it set in stone with a forum rule prohibiting discussions like this. Otherwise, let the members here get answers to their questions. You are free to suggest seeing a doctor without slamming anyone for suggesting vaping related solutions.

You and others have done a great disservice to Rose because her thread was trashed long ago, and by multiple members here insisting on their Political Correctness. And I for one am tired of arguing with people unwilling to admit to their agenda.

 

[Lessifer]

Rose came in here asking for VAPING RELATED SOLUTIONS to her problem. She specifically discussed the medical side, and specifically stated that she believes, right, wrong or indifferent, that her heart should be fine. And she is one of the most intelligent and articulate members here. And her opening post here was a masterpiece in organization and succinctly stating her problem and her questions.

Some of us complied with her request for VAPING RELATED SOLUTIONS.

And then several people came in here and basically derailed her thread, her request for information, by slamming those that "dared" to actually comply with her request. And here you persist. You say you are not slamming anyone and in the next breath you make it clear that vaping related solutions are not acceptable discussion. Can't you even be honest about your agenda here?

I have a suggestion... for all those insisting their right to shut down any discussion of what Rose wanted discussed... this forum has a rather lengthy list of things we cannot discuss. If you think that finding vaping related solutions to a vaper's ailments should not be permissible then talk to the forum admins and see if you can get it set in stone with a forum rule prohibiting discussions like this. Otherwise, let the members here get answers to their questions. You are free to suggest seeing a doctor without slamming anyone for suggesting vaping related solutions.

You and others have done a great disservice to Rose because her thread was trashed long ago, and by multiple members here insisting on their Political Correctness. And I for one am tired of arguing with people unwilling to admit to their agenda.

I don't think you were talking about me, but I am one who suggested she not wait, and go see a doctor immediately. Here's my thinking, if she goes to the doctor and rules out heart problems, which are commonly ignored by women especially(hence the link I posted), then the vaping related solutions should apply. I never slammed anyone for giving vape advice though.

ETA:
As for the vaping, if I followed correctly the only new variables are possibly new nicotine, and a new batch of DIY at lower nic/ml than before?

But you said the nicotine didn't seem to be the problem, as you vaped older stuff and still had the same issues. I've never heard of anything developing fast like this, not to say it can't happen. The vg heavy lung thing seems to get worse over time, but I think it's gradual, not sudden. All of this, even though vaping seems to make it worse, would suggest to me that it's not ultimately caused by the vape. Though it may be contributing.

 

[VNeil]

I don't think you were talking about me, but I am one who suggested she not wait, and go see a doctor immediately. Here's my thinking, if she goes to the doctor and rules out heart problems, which are commonly ignored by women especially(hence the link I posted), then the vaping related solutions should apply. I never slammed anyone for giving vape advice though.

ETA:
As for the vaping, if I followed correctly the only new variables are possibly new nicotine, and a new batch of DIY at lower nic/ml than before?

But you said the nicotine didn't seem to be the problem, as you vaped older stuff and still had the same issues. I've never heard of anything developing fast like this, not to say it can't happen. The vg heavy lung thing seems to get worse over time, but I think it's gradual, not sudden. All of this, even though vaping seems to make it worse, would suggest to me that it's not ultimately caused by the vape. Though it may be contributing.

I was talking about those arguing that vaping related solutions were not appropriate here, and therefore arguing no one should have answered the question she asked. They know who they are. I've said repeatedly I had no issue at all with those recommending a medical solution.

 

[OlderNDirt]

So my question is, has anybody ever heard of or experienced anything like this? It's the suddenness of it that is so perplexing. What would you do?

I thought I should re-check Rose's original question, so quoted it here. That looks to me like there are no right or wrong answers and everything is pretty much fair game.

However, and this is just my own personal opinion, we get a number of posts relating to health questions related to vaping and a quick comment about checking with your doctor should not be that difficult to include in a response, especially when the symptoms listed sound like they could be serious. Had this been in a face to face conversation with a family or friend, I would have insisted an immediate trip to the ER (golly, I hope that didn't sound like you are not a friend, Rose!) and here is why......

My own personal experience showed me you can have a heart attack without the normal symptoms. I had my heart attack just over 20 years ago and never had the chest pains, pain down the arm, lightheadedness, etc. Afterwards, the doctor said it was a good thing that I came in when I did or I wouldn't have made it through the day. To top it off, he said had he done a heart exam before the attack, he never would have seen any indication of a potential problem due to where the blockages were located. It makes me cringe when a poster inquiring about something says they just went to the doctor a few weeks ago, or something like that.

Of course, I wasn't vaping back then. But had I chalked the feeling up to something I ate or drank or some other possible reason.....or choose to wait for suggestions on a message board.....who knows? So it is just my own personal opinion that if anybody is having symptoms of any kind, a suggestion of checking with your doctor is not at all out of line! If that comes with vaping suggestions, so be it and then it is up to the poster asking to choose their course of action.

What I would like to see is posters asking these question coming back to share what turned out to be their problem/solution, being health wise or vape wise. Well, anything but "I quit and went back to smoking and now everything is great" posts.

TIFWIW, it's JMHO!

 

[Tempesta]

In all the confusion..Rose, please let us know how you are doing!

 

[LMS62]

Is it possible, just possible, that when someone is experiencing negative side effects from what they believe to be vaping, they can not only plan on seeing their doctor, but also ask the question on ECF just to see if anyone here has had the same experience?

Why does it have to be one or the other? If I am having a health issue, and I believe it could be caused by vaping, is it OK if I plan on seeing my doctor, but until then (same day or even same week appointments can be tough, unless it is an actual emergency) I ask the question on ECF on the off chance that someone else has experienced the same thing? Would that be acceptable to the "WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE...GO SEE YOUR DOCTER" crowd?

 

[Falconeer]

Hate to see this thread going to war when it was raised by one of our most genuine members, who has already contributed a lot to the forum, asking for advice when really she'd already decided that she'd need to seek medical advice as well as anything that could be offered here.

Yes there is an outside (I hope) chance it could be serious, I'm sure Rose appreciated this, and it's been good that people could share their experiences...but does it really help when folk start attacking eachother - now I accept that perhaps members really didn't mean to attack eachother and were simply exchanging different views...but it doesn't quite read like that...

 

[ScandaLeX]

It's starting to read as if no one should have even mentioned going to a doctor.

I think what people are failing to realize is that many medical type questions place everyone, even the person asking, in an awkward position to help diagnose & treat. In retrospect, we are providing a course of action based on symptoms like we're WebMD. We are not doctors & cannot tell someone with 100% certainty that anything they are experiencing is 100% related to PG or VG. We just don't know.

@RoseJ has been around long enough to know anything asked on a forum is going to get all types of responses & whether anyone has noticed or not, she welcomed all responses. No one has attacked her so why anyone is feeling the need to flip out over this is beyond me.