Recommendations?

[Mr.Frost]

Hello, my name is Frost, and I am a smoker.

I am a "pack a day" smoker for 20+ years.
I hate the taste, I hate the smell, and I hate the adverse effects.
Both to my health and my wallet.

I think my addiction to conventional cancer sticks is more of an oral fixation than a chemical dependancy.

I have quit cold turkey on several occasions for as long as 6 months, only to return to smoking.

After reading what seemed like a college course worth of material, I am no closer to a decision than when I started.

I would like to ask for some suggestions as to what product might be best for me.

As I said, I hate the taste and the smell, but I love the motions associated with smoking.
Having the coffin nail in my hand, blowing massive clouds of smoke, ect.

I've read most of the threads I could find on which E-cig most people recommend for new users, but honestly it seems there are more then a few choices.

I would like a quality product.

I've just read of e-cig mods, so maybe one that has the most room for such modifications.

I like the look of the Blu, but from what I've read, the unit might not perform as I am hoping.

I'm pretty sure I would like major vapor clouds.

I will probably lean towards the 0 nicotine cartriges.

I've read of some battery issues, so a unit with more battery life would really be great.

And of course, a cool look is a plus.

I also like the look of Blu's charging case, I guess the closer to a real cigarette look, the better.

I also think I would like to invest in the manual push button units, as I am
probably looking for a long pull.

I'm sorry if this isn't the place to ask, and if Ihave no idea what to ask.
I'm very new to, but also very intrigued by E-cigs and "vaping".

Thanks again,
Frost

 

[Rosa]

Welcome, Frost! I recommend the 510, or for you maybe the 510 with the mega battery. The 510 is a great starter unit with a size relative to a cigarette. they come in white, if that appeals to you, and they are compatible with tons of mods. You definitely want a manual battery and several kinds of juice. I DO recommend getting some juice with nicotine, the last thing you need is to find out that, actually, the nicotine was important and you didn't order any. Get some extra juices in a variety of flavors, get 2 attys, 2 batts, a charger, some extra carts for filling. Good Luck!

 

[Mr.Frost]

Thanks for such a quick reply.
I'll take your advice about investing in some with nicotine.

Looking back, I think the look of a real cigarette might not be that important.

I like shiny things, so LEDs, Neon, and/or Laser Beams is a must.


Do you recommend a place I might find the 510 in a starter kit with most of the extras already included?

 

[Rosa]

Thanks for such a quick reply.
I'll take your advice about investing in some with nicotine.

Looking back, I think the look of a real cigarette might not be that important.

I like shiny things, so LEDs, Neon, and/or Laser Beams is a must.


Do you recommend a place I might find the 510 in a starter kit with most of the extras already included?

o.k. in that case: Janty makes a lovely treat called the "Janty eGo". Basically, it's the 510 with a fat (long-lasting)battery and a cone to taper it. It sort of looks like a matte black fatty cigar. right on the end of it it has this shiny silver tip with the Janty logo on it. And the manual button lights up when you press it. Very snazzy and the battery lasts me all day. The eGo parts are interchangeable with the 510 parts, so that's a plus. The vapor produced is among the best out there and the bigger battery makes the draw on it really smooth. I'm loving mine. I got mine at wordupecig BUT mine's the Wicked eGo instead of the Janty, so the logo on the end looks like the devil smoking a joint or something (I mention because it bugs some folks) or, if you prefer it, I think they have the geniune Janty product at dietsmokes. Good Luck!

oh, it also comes in white and pewter, i think. I got the pewter, but i thought it would be more silver and it looks kind of tan. I wish I'd gone with the white or the black.

 

[lightinup]

Welcome Mr. Frost to ECF! I believe Rosa has given you two great recommendations when it comes to PV's. I started off with the 510 from Cignot. Cignot your Midwest Electronic Cigarette store. You can not beat their prices and the customer service is outstanding. If you decide to go with the 510, I would also suggest a PCC so you can keep your batteries charged while you are on the go. The 510 is a wonderful PV but the battery life leaves a bit to be desired. You can get the standard batteries and mega batteries (which give you a little longer life) in many different colors with the LED that lights up at the end similar to the "cherry" on a real cigarette. The Janty eGo Janty USA - STORE HOME and the Totally Wicked Tornado Electronic Cigarettes and eLiquid / Totally Wicked eLiquid / electronic cigarette eliquid nicotine fluid products are the same but marketed by two different companies. They both use the 510 atomizer but the battery life is remarkable. I vape quite a bit and my battery's last for about 8 - 10 hours currently. So truthfully, I don't think you could go wrong with ordering any of these PV's but I would certainly recommend the eGo/Tornado. Good Luck on your quest and keep us posted on your progress!

 

[Mr.Frost]

Thanks again for such quick responses.

I guess this is the part where I dive in and get my feet wet.

I'll do my best to let you all know what I decide upon and how I like it.



Frost

 

[Kent C]

Considering the vapor factor I'd also recommend an eGo or Tornado (same device, different vendors) and it looks like Janty and dietsmokes (eGo's) are out of black - Janty has a Silver one, but Totally Wicked has plenty of the black ones.

Wicked-TORNADO E-NI or Electronic Nicotine Inhalator Black.

This comes with the best atomizers for vapor - Joye 510 and will be good if you want to move up to a mod later on. These batteries will give you 6-7 hours of use so no need for a PCC. The ecig is a bit larger in diameter but that's why you get 6-7 hours instead of 1.5-2 hours from the batteries. Very good on vapor as well.

As far as eliquid - nic level - smoking a pack a day, you'll likely need some nic but you can 'vape low and top off high' by either getting some no nic or low nic (6mg) eliquid and some 12mg or 18mg to top off and only using the higher stuff when you feel the urge. If you don't do that and have a nic addiction, all the vapor and hand to mouth stuff won't cut it at first, but you can wean yourself off the nic.

Welcome to ECF!!!

 

[candre23]

You say you're not married to the idea of a cigarette lookalike? Then don't start with a starter kit. You'll get better performance from a mod anyway. Go here and ogle the mod porn until you find something that you like the looks and price of. Then come back here and read some reviews of it, just to be sure it's not total crap. This is the only non-disposable part of a PV, so choose wisely.

90% of vapers who've "tried it all" end up with one of two atomizers - The 510 or the KR808. Don't try to pick between them based on anything you read here. Get both and decide for yourself. Get at least one 510 atomizer, a couple blank 510 carts, a couple blank cartomizers, and an adapter to make your mod work with whichever atomizer it doesn't work with natively. You might even want to grab a 901 atomizer and carts, since that's what most of the other 10% use. Get a bottle of juice and start vaping. All that stuff together comes to about the same cost as most starter kits, and it will allow you to decide which type of atomizer you prefer. You might even find, as I have, that you prefer different attys for different situations.

If I had known then what I know now, this is what I would have done. It would have saved me a bunch of money on stuff that I ended up not wanting/needing.

 

[Mr.Frost]

That Mod page was probably the worst thing to show me.

I'm gonna call Totally Wicked and see if I can get a Black Tornado with a Flame Job and Side-Pipes.

The one I really liked was actually the set that KentC linked.


Would you nice folks recommend I order extra Batts with my order, or wait a little and then order them so they're nice and fresh when I get them?

Thank you again, this really took off some of the "deciding" pressure.

 

[Drozd]

I'd wait to order extra batteries..the TW warranty on them is only 28 days (the janty one is 6 months) so I'd want to use and abuse the heck out of them as much as possible in the warranty period as possible to see if anything is gonna go wrong with them...
maybe a couple of extra atties though...you can always use spares...me I'd go for an extra atty cone (so you can have 2 completely set up at once) and the fast USB charger (really cuts down the recharge time) but those arent critical....

after you get some time with that as it is I'd get a couple Low resistance atties ( Low Resistance Magnum Atomizers ) which are slightly advanced to use (because they go through juice faster, and you have to be able to recognize when you're running dry) but really up the vapor production and produce a warmer vapor..

 

[markimar]

May I also suggest taking a look at Revolver. Elite or Gemini for a start excellent product. Reasonable pricing and good customer service. The Elite has more color options than Gemini but both are great. I started with eluma but not as many options available.

 

[Kent C]

That Mod page was probably the worst thing to show me.

I'm gonna call Totally Wicked and see if I can get a Black Tornado with a Flame Job and Side-Pipes.

The one I really liked was actually the set that KentC linked.


Would you nice folks recommend I order extra Batts with my order, or wait a little and then order them so they're nice and fresh when I get them?

Thank you again, this really took off some of the "deciding" pressure.

Unlike the cig style starter kits, the necessity for more batteries or a PCC isn't as great with the Tornado. What might be nice to have is the usb quick charger although when possible use the adapter on the main charger - slower charges prolong battery life. But these batts should last a while - years?....

TORNADO-Mega Powered USB Charger

My favorite vape is habana reserve - a mix that uses mesquite, black pepper and other herbs without actually using tobacco flavoring. To me it doesn't taste like tobacco but is quite satisfying - 18mg. Always good to pick up some ejuice with your original order.
Totally Wickeds-Decadent Vapour Premier Range

Other choices here:
30ML Totally Wicked- Patriot Range E.Liquid

10ml bottles of Totally Wicked Electronic Cigarette e.Liquid.Over 30 flavors

coupon code BFC81 7.5% off

Something else to consider if you have the funds... you can't have enough atomizers - the reasoning being that it's the only thing that isn't easily available in the worst case scenario of a ban and some people go through these faster than others. I haven't lost one from 'old age' in 9 months (although I've killed 3). There's a new type out - low ohm atty - which will give you more vapor and make your tornado perform even better. Not necessary, and you could just pick up a 5 pack of regular attys at Totally Wicked (I'd pass on the 'mega attys' over there), but...

Low Resistance Magnum Atomizers

And if you got to nhaler, there isn't a better place to buy samplers for eliquid. Check out the HV (high voltage - which pertains to voltage rather than nic strength - which is 12mg) $4 for 6ml is a good deal and help you find what flavors you might like:

HIGH VOLTAGE SAMPLERS 12Mg 6ml Plastic Dropper Bottles

For 0mg eliquid - again, many places but again, you want to sample right now instead of 'invest' so: (5ml samples for $3)

Cignot your Midwest Electronic Cigarette store.

nic ejuice
Cignot your Midwest Electronic Cigarette store.

If you just go here, then consider picking up extra atomizers: (great price short of going to China - where you'll pay $15 shipping)

Three Joye 510 Spare Atomizers

 

[Mr.Frost]

Just wanted to say thanks for all the great recommendations.

I've narrowed it down to two that look to be just what I'm looking for.

It's either gonna be the Joye510 or the TW Tornado. I like the Tornado a little more because of the bigger batteries, but my wife thinks the Joye510 will draw less attention.

I have some more reading to do on liquids, especially the difference between PG and VG and making sure I know how to accurately measure the amount of nicotine I should be using.

My goal is to cut out analogues and Nic altogether but I understand the "weaning off slowly" as opposed to trying to go straight to 0nic right from the start.

Again thank you for really taking alot of the mystery and confusion out of all this for me.

I was reading thru threads and I came across a topic that had to do with misleading Ads and false advertising.

After reading thru the topic I thought I should mention something that almost turned me away from these forums.

The ad by google at the top of this forum:
The E-cigarette Exposed*
News 10 Warning. Do Not Try ECiq Until You Read This Special Report
***. news10report. com/health

After clicking the link I was brought to what looks to be a legitamate News site and their Health news page.

I tried to click on their "Health News" banner and figured I would get a "Homepage" with other news items.

I was redirected to the same "E-cig Exposed" page. Trying their root URL also led me to the page in question.

I tried to find information on "News10" and could not. Nor could I find any information on this "Health writer" Jennifer Miller.

Every hyperlink points to "smokingstick"

Searching the URL on WHOIS reveals the domain was registered on the 2nd of March 2010, and expires 1 year later on 2nd of march 2011.

1 year domain registration for news agency?

The domain is registered with (I laughed a little) GODADDY .com
and has an "Inactive" status.

Not to mention I think the address for the registrar is Nassau, Bahamas.

If this is a legitimate site, then please forgive my false accusations. If it is a scam, then I hope I did the right thing bringing it to your attention, considering the feeling I got from the thread about e-cigs getting a bad rep from scam crap like this.

Frost

 

[son et lumiere]

check out strictlyejuice.com for juice check out h20 smoking for atomizers.

 

[Kent C]

Just wanted to say thanks for all the great recommendations.

I've narrowed it down to two that look to be just what I'm looking for.

It's either gonna be the Joye510 or the TW Tornado. I like the Tornado a little more because of the bigger batteries, but my wife thinks the Joye510 will draw less attention.

Interesting on the google stuff, btw. As far as drawing attention goes - led's will draw attention more than shapes. At any rate you will draw attention from the vapor - some people look for that - people who don't like it and fellow smokers looking for a place to light up ;-) You're going to have to find a way to handle the attention. For me it usually ends up giving out the business cards I get with my orders from cignot, nhaler, Totally wicked, heaven gifts, etc. etc. - ran out of them at Disney in Feb. lol. The eGo/tornado is much smaller than it looks (about the same length as a regular cig style but a tad wider, and not like some of the big battery mods. While the 510 is a best cig style ecig, imo as far as simulating smoking, the Tornado/eGo will produce more vapor and an easier draw and last for 6-7 hours, so two batts should last you more than a day or night out. Not so with the 510 batt. You'll need a PCC or have access to plug in the charger. Or just take along some extra batts.

 

[Mr.Frost]

Thanks Ken,

I'm glad you said that about the Tornado looking bigger than it actually is.

From the picture on TW it kinda gave the impression it had alot of girth to it.

Right now I'm just reading up on the e-liquids and making sure I understand the mixture amounts.

From what I've read, I can see myself wanting to mix my own flavors and being able to cut liquids with nicotine down. I'm also interested in knowing what the shelf life of e-liquid and it's ingredients are.

Do they go bad or perhaps lose flavor or "Vaporability" over a certain amount of time?

About the google thing, I know theres a million scams going on in everything, and I know it's pretty impossible to rectify them all, just figured these forums would be the last place you guys wanted to have anything of that sort.

 

[Kent C]

Thanks Ken,

I'm glad you said that about the Tornado looking bigger than it actually is.

From the picture on TW it kinda gave the impression it had alot of girth to it.

Right now I'm just reading up on the e-liquids and making sure I understand the mixture amounts.

From what I've read, I can see myself wanting to mix my own flavors and being able to cut liquids with nicotine down. I'm also interested in knowing what the shelf life of e-liquid and it's ingredients are.

Do they go bad or perhaps lose flavor or "Vaporability" over a certain amount of time?

About the google thing, I know theres a million scams going on in everything, and I know it's pretty impossible to rectify them all, just figured these forums would be the last place you guys wanted to have anything of that sort.

Without getting the exact mm's and just measuring Bottom diameters - the 510 batt is about 3/8" thick and the Tornado is 1/2". My Protege with a 14500 is just over 1/2" (9/16ths) and the Chameleon is 3/4". The tornado with the cone then slims down to regular 510 diameter toward the cartridge - and the cartridge is the same as is the atty.

The best on DIY is to keep your unflavored nic juice unflavored until you're ready to make it. That and the PG or VG will have a shelf like of 18 to 24 months (dupont data on the PG/VG). It's the flavoring that will bring that down a bit. Storage is important - dark, dry, cool and I, for one, don't recommend refrigerating. Some do. You get to choose ;-) But dark, dry and cool is right out of the MSDS paper from dupont.

On the google and scams, you're right on - we certainly want to know about them and glad you posted. Now you're part of the - we report, you decide - thing. ;-)

 

[Mr.Frost]

Just let me know when I ask too many questions and become a pain in the ....

I'm wondering, if the batt is furthest from your mouth, then the atomizer, and then the cartridge, that would mean the cartridge is actually the part I'm puffing on correct?

If so, how does the liquid not get sucked into my mouth? Also, each time I puff, the vapor is passing thru the remaing un-atomized liquid in the cartridge?

Does this degrade or change the un-atomized liquid in the cartridge?

 

[candre23]

If so, how does the liquid not get sucked into my mouth? Also, each time I puff, the vapor is passing thru the remaing un-atomized liquid in the cartridge?

If you cut a cart in half, you'd see that it's actually a cup within a tube. The filler and juice sits in the inner cup, which is open at the bottom so the juice can wick to the atty bridge. air is pulled up through the atty, then goes around the outside of the cup to the hole in the top.

That's how 3-piece systems (510, 901, etc) work, anyway. Cartomizers are a bit different.

A cartomizer is a tube filled with filler, with a hole down the middle. through that hole is a woven tube of wick material, and inside that is the atomizer coil. Despite technically sucking through a tube full of juice-soaked filler, you never get any in your mouth unless you over fill it. The hole through the filler allows enough airflow so that you don't suck out the juice, and there is a silicone plug at the top with a hole in the middle that catches most of what does come out.

 

[jerrydon10]

I'm wondering, if the batt is furthest from your mouth, then the atomizer, and then the cartridge, that would mean the cartridge is actually the part I'm puffing on correct?

You're puffing on the cart. But you aren't puffing directly through the loaded cart filler. You are puffing through the vent holes that surround it.

If so, how does the liquid not get sucked into my mouth? Also, each time I puff, the vapor is passing thru the remaing un-atomized liquid in the cartridge?

You are not puffing through the liquid. When you overfill the cart and that runs into the atty, you are going to get a mouthful of juice as it will then go through the vent holes.

We all go through this to learn the fine lines with our particular model.

Does this degrade or change the un-atomized liquid in the cartridge?

Only that if you overfill it, it will be in your mouth.....