Reminder for analog smokers

[ChainSmkr]

Hi all,
I've only been vaping for about a month now and I haven't made the full transition off of analogs to e-cigs yet. I thought I'd post this reminder for anyone else that is in the same situation.

USA tobacco tax has already increased recently but is due to increase again: from $1.09 to $24.78 (major hike ) on April 1 2009 based on what I've read. You may want to purchase some analogs or re-stock your DIY roll-your-own tobacco by March 31.

 

[QueenInNC]

I heard this yesterday. I haven't bought any in a month. I hope we are able to keep e cigs around! That is crazy!

 

[ShapeShifter]

I heard from $0.39 to $1.66 a pack for federal. States are specified seperatly. See link below for specifics by state.

$24.75 - wow - I would have thought I would have heard THAT one.

Here is what I found.
2009 Proposed State Tobacco Tax Increase Legislation

In the grey box, you will see the federal changes, click on the link to the appendix that shows the specifics.

(Federal) Tobacco Excise Taxes
The vast majority of tobacco taxes are on cigarettes, which account for 97% of federal tobacco tax revenue. Under current law, excise taxes on cigarettes and other tobacco products include the following rates:

* federal cigarette taxes: $0.39 per pack;
* small cigars: $.04 per package of 20;
* large cigars: 20.719% of sales price, not to exceed $48.75 per 1,000 units (i.e., a maximum tax of almost $.05 cents per cigar);
* chewing tobacco: $.01 per ounce;
* snuff: $.04 cents per ounce; and
* pipe and roll-your-own tobacco: $.07 cents per ounce.
* There are also taxes on cigarette paper and cigarette tubes. These taxes are imposed per pound and the rates are as follows: (1) $0.195 for chewing tobacco, (2) $0.585 for snuff, and (3) $1.0606 for pipe and roll-your-own tobacco.
* There are also taxes on large cigarettes that are essentially non-existent (although a tax is necessary for administrative reasons).

CHIPRA 2009 will increase taxes on cigarettes and tobacco-related products (effective April 1, 2009) to the following rates:

*
federal cigarette taxes would be increased to $1.00 and .66 cents per pack;
*
small cigars would have their taxes immediately increased to the same level as cigarettes: $1.0066 per pack, an increase of $.97.
(The House of Representatives passed version of January 2009 had a gradual increase of $0.25 per pack in 2009-2010, $0.50 in 2011-2012, $0.75 in 2013-2014, and $1.00 in 2015 and thereafter;
*
large cigars would be subject to a tax of 52.75% of sales price with a maximum of $0.4026 per cigar; [2/12/09 update]
*
chewing tobacco would be increased to approximately $.03 cents per ounce (and $0.50 per pound);
*
snuff would be increased to $.113 per can ($1.51 per pound); [2/12/09 update]
*
pipe tobacco would be increased to $.18 per ounce ($2.8126 per pound);
*
roll-your-own tobacco (RYO) would be increased to $1.53 per ounce ($24.78 per pound). The definition of roll–your-own tobacco would be expanded to include tobacco that could be used to make cigars. The large increase in roll-your-own tobacco reflects concerns that this tobacco might substitute for cigarettes;
*
cigarette papers taxes would rise from $1.22 per 40, to $3.13;
*
cigarette tubes would rise from $2.44 to $6.26.

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The state stuff shown in charts on the same page.

I hope I am totally off analogs by then anyway, but if not, suckola

 

[skullsoup432]

I still analog a pack a day (back to three a day while I wait on supplies) and went to a discount tobacco store today. They had only 2 one pound bags. When I asked about the next shipment, the clerk told me they got it yesterday, no loose tobacco. I had went to the same chain store in a different town a few days ago and they were out of large bags also, but I didn't ask the clerk about it figuring it happens once in a while.
The clerk at today's store told me that they will get no loose supplies till April 1st (day increase goes into effect) and that all stores will have a remodel. ALL tobacco products behind the counter, no exceptions.
What the hell, the state of Michigan trying to cut off the supply so that there will be a guaranteed rush for supplies (not to mention incoming big tax bucks) at beginning of the month? With prices going up like they are, I wonder how many people are gonna buy and then sell at a big profit?
Anyone else seeing shortages yet? If not it is probably on the way!

Does anyone know if tubes are going up also? I have heard different stories.

I also saw that here in Michigan the state sponsored quit smoking hot line has been overwhelmed with calls and are completely out of gum and patches that they were offering. Jeez, more proof our government is full of idiots.

 

[ShapeShifter]

skull - i edited my post to add in the roll your own and tube stuff

 

[castman]

Isn't just wonderful...They want people to smoke to get the tax money,but then they out law it almost everywhere...Makes a persons mind wonder

 

[angel.white]

And then to top it off, it sounds like FDA is moving to ban e-cigs... I may be paranoid (I frequently am when it comes to government), but this seems almost malicious. It's like the Christians trying to outlaw both abortion and sexual education.

 

[surbitonPete]

Governments are all jumping on the bandwagon of increasing taxes with the splendid excuse of 'we are only doing it for your health' it's a way to ensure that there are plenty of people who are supporting them for raising taxes.....they don't just use health as an excuse ......almost all tax increases these days are designed to 'only' affect parts of the population ....and in that way you can just keep going on and on finding ways to increase taxes without making 'everyone' angry. ....It's clever ..it's psychology .....and it's dishonest.

 

[wv2win]

I guess the membership on this forum will explode in April.

 

[mace bewley]

i think i said this in another post. but i think this is why the FDA is looking in to e-cigs,
they are wanting to find a way to tax it like regular smokes. just my .02.

mace

 

[TropicalBob]

Governments are going broke. To finance their operations, they must pick and choose which group to hit with new taxes. Smokers are an easily targeted minority, with no political power at all, increasingly looked down on by the non-smoking majority.

Yep, it's terribly unfair -- but it's the political reality today. Smokers are addicts. They'll pay. And the poorest among them will deny food and milk to their hungry children so they can (must!) buy a carton of generic cigarettes and a pint of whatever.

The part I hate is what those taxes pay for. If they went to cancer research for the benefit of all, I'd gladly cough up the taxes. If they in any way specifically addressed the health needs of smokers -- which government reminds smokers of on every cigarette package -- I'd gladly pay.

But the most recent increase went to state children's health programs. How is it fair that smokers bear the burden for those programs? The correct answer is: It's not fair. But smokers are so despised that the majority thinks this is a great way to raise money.

Things are only going to get worse -- much worse for smokers -- in the near future. The FDA is likely to get regulatory power over tobacco products; online ordering of any tobacco or nicotine product will become illegal; delivery to private residences will be illegal; nicotine will be regulated and doses will be limited to about 2mg per half hour use of any product.

All of the above are in the "proposal" stage. You'll read more about them as bills come before Congress.

It's only just starting.

 

[schnauzer4me]

i believe you are correct sir.

 

[Vicks Vap-oh-Yeah]

Governments are going broke. To finance their operations, they must pick and choose which group to hit with new taxes. Smokers are an easily targeted minority, with no political power at all, increasingly looked down on by the non-smoking majority.

Yep, it's terribly unfair -- but it's the political reality today. Smokers are addicts. They'll pay. And the poorest among them will deny food and milk to their hungry children so they can (must!) buy a carton of generic cigarettes and a pint of whatever.

The part I hate is what those taxes pay for. If they went to cancer research for the benefit of all, I'd gladly cough up the taxes. If they in any way specifically addressed the health needs of smokers -- which government reminds smokers of on every cigarette package -- I'd gladly pay.

But the most recent increase went to state children's health programs. How is it fair that smokers bear the burden for those programs? The correct answer is: It's not fair. But smokers are so despised that the majority thinks this is a great way to raise money.

Things are only going to get worse -- much worse for smokers -- in the near future. The FDA is likely to get regulatory power over tobacco products; online ordering of any tobacco or nicotine product will become illegal; delivery to private residences will be illegal; nicotine will be regulated and doses will be limited to about 2mg per half hour use of any product.

All of the above are in the "proposal" stage. You'll read more about them as bills come before Congress.

It's only just starting.

CALLING ALL CHEMISTS!!!8-o
It's the nicotine the FDA is worried about - not the delivery device. That's what classifies the ejuice as a poison. Is there another naturally occuring (LEGAL) substance that can be liquified and vaporized/inhaled which mimics the effects of nicotine inhalation in the human body? If we can find a <safe> inhalation to substitue for the nicotine, would that then free us from the onus which is bearing down?

If the FDA bans the usage of nicotine-based e-juice, I, for one, plan to go to the 0 nic, and, if need be, use the patches or gum to get my nic "hit." Then I can still vape legally...

 

[surbitonPete]

Governments in all western societies have grown far too large..... Taxation can no longer keep up with it....just like the banking system...it's all going to come crashing down eventually. Everywhere the people are struggling to keep up with the burden of government.

 

[angel.white]

Governments are going broke. To finance their operations, they must pick and choose which group to hit with new taxes. Smokers are an easily targeted minority, with no political power at all, increasingly looked down on by the non-smoking majority.

Yep, it's terribly unfair -- but it's the political reality today. Smokers are addicts. They'll pay. And the poorest among them will deny food and milk to their hungry children so they can (must!) buy a carton of generic cigarettes and a pint of whatever.

The part I hate is what those taxes pay for. If they went to cancer research for the benefit of all, I'd gladly cough up the taxes. If they in any way specifically addressed the health needs of smokers -- which government reminds smokers of on every cigarette package -- I'd gladly pay.

But the most recent increase went to state children's health programs. How is it fair that smokers bear the burden for those programs? The correct answer is: It's not fair. But smokers are so despised that the majority thinks this is a great way to raise money.

Things are only going to get worse -- much worse for smokers -- in the near future. The FDA is likely to get regulatory power over tobacco products; online ordering of any tobacco or nicotine product will become illegal; delivery to private residences will be illegal; nicotine will be regulated and doses will be limited to about 2mg per half hour use of any product.

All of the above are in the "proposal" stage. You'll read more about them as bills come before Congress.

It's only just starting.

I am of the opinion that all health care should be free for everyone. I can't be upset about helping pay for some child to get health care (even though I have none). It is a step in the right direction, I am happy to help facilitate this. I look forward to the day when America realizes that declaring life an unalienable Right is just blowing smoke if you won't help preserve it.

To me, the problem isn't how this money is being spent, it's how money in general is spent. $3 trillion to assert USA dominance over the world. This I can't justify in my mind. Now we are out of money and seem surprised. Maybe if we spent it on worthwhile things, things to better the world, we wouldn't be in this situation. Anti-smokers say cigarettes are like burning money, well what about buying bombs? And those kill much quicker.

On the other hand, maybe I've just been listening to too much flobots recently.

 

[Idahojo]

They've always went after us sinners. All the non smokers didn't care at all when they went after us. Well now I guess there's talk about increasing taxes on snacks and pop and fast food. Think they'll scream then? They should go after alcohol like they do smokers. They'd make a hellova lot more than cigs. In Idaho, cigs went up $8 a carton. Glad I'm switching to ecigs. Just hope we don't get hit too, but I know I'm just dreaming. If there's money to be made, the govt will find a way.

 

[skullsoup432]

I went in my local grocery store tonight and they were out of the 1 pound bags of tobacco. I asked if they were getting more and the assistant manager told me not till they sell all of the stock on hand. I am seriously thinking that the powers that be are doing this purposefully. I truly believe that they don't want people to stockpile. They want April 1st to be a HUGE pay off in taxes.
I will start a thread about this and see if I can get people to check their areas and see what they report.

 

[Programmer]

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[The Wiz]

I went in my local grocery store tonight and they were out of the 1 pound bags of tobacco. I asked if they were getting more and the assistant manager told me not till they sell all of the stock on hand. I am seriously thinking that the powers that be are doing this purposefully. I truly believe that they don't want people to stockpile. They want April 1st to be a HUGE pay off in taxes.
I will start a thread about this and see if I can get people to check their areas and see what they report.

Skull......Michigan always gets kicked in the teeth harder with tobacco taxes in general.Add the national tax into the mix,and its "doom and gloom" for ALL the analog smokers here! I am so happy to be analog free,and my wallet is too! The Wiz!

 

[ChainSmkr]

I went in my local grocery store tonight and they were out of the 1 pound bags of tobacco.

Tobacco is flying off the shelves because people are already stockpiling. Between this hefty tax increase and new laws dictating where smoking is/isn't allowed, its amazing that all this doesn't fall under reverse discrimination. Ironic thing is that when they achieve their goal of a smoke free America, they'll also have lost billions of tax dollars and be forced to hit upon another set of addicts...alcohol, sugar, fast food, etc.

Will there really be significantly less cases of cancer and improved air quality? I don't think so in our polluted world.