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RedhatPat

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Lol that's funnier more than you know as I'm 3/4 Irish
Half spanish half british here..

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Can any wizkids or folks smarter than ol' RHP (I'm looking in malkuth 'n woodys direction!) able to look up the meaning to this piece around my neck? I think maybe it's celtic with other stuff..

I'm not great at looking up means to symbols on google since my descriptive vocabulary stinks, folks

Thanks in Advance,

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Pat, I've never seen that particular design before. Maybe it is an individual one of a kind design.

Might be, kay, might be. It does look handmade. All I know is that it was given to me by my grandmother who told me I must wear it 'cuz it's blessed. I regret not asking her the backstory. This is what I've turned up so far with some help from the 'net.

Celtic Symbols and Meanings - D&O Celtic Jewelry
Celtic Cross Meaning
The Celtic Cross meaning seems obvious – it is a symbol of religious faith. However, there is quite a history behind it. There are many different versions that have slightly different meanings. Many of these crosses are closely associated with specific Irish Saints.

The earliest Celtic cross is just a simple cross with a circle. This might have been a variation of the Sun cross, which goes back to an even earlier era. It is clear that pagans used the cross as a symbol. It was converted as Christianity began to be introduced into Ireland. Once it was made into more of a Christian symbol, the lines of the cross extended beyond the circle. Also, the bottom line was made longer than the other to make it more like a Christian cross.


Round Celtic Cross
Over time the crosses got more elaborate and incorporated interwoven patterns and Celtic knots. The Celtic cross meaning also changed over time. Another kind of Celtic cross that you see is the kind with Celtic knots and interwoven patterns on it. This kind of cross is frequently seen on gravestones, churches, or other religious sites. This kind of cross definitely appeared after the conversion towards Christianity was well under way. There are several historic monuments which use this kind of cross, such as the Ardboe High Cross and the Monasterboice ruins.

Yet another variation of Celtic Cross is the round kind, or “shield” type. This is sometimes referred to as the Celtic warrior shield or symbol. There are different types of this one as well. One version of a round cross can be seen at the St. Brynach church yard in Wales.St. Brynach was a 6th centrury Welsh saint who spread Christianity and built a monastery. It is also used on headstones and other religious settings.

The last type of cross associated with Celtic culture is Brigid’s Cross. This is attributed to being made by Brigid of Kildare, or Brigit of Kildare. She is also a saint. There is a legend associated with this cross. The story is that a pagan chief was dying and in a lot of pain and he could not be calmed down. Brigid sat down next to him and tried consoling him. She then picked up some straw off the floor and began weaving it into a cross. The man finally calmed a bit and took asked what she was doing. She began explaining what the cross meant and how she was making it. As he was dying, he converted to Christianity.

Heart and Sacred Heart: the origin of the symbol
The symbol of the heart alludes to a person’s deepest centre, their most vulnerable point but also the origin of their enthusiasm and passions.

The closest thing I can find to the outer image is a symbol for protection from evil ..



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Half Oyate Lakota half Sicilian here.

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Wolakota, Pace, Paz, Shalom, Peace

Yet another interesting background here in REOville! Howdy dodari, which do you connect more with or has it varied or have you struck a balance between the best both worlds?

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Half Oyate Lakota half Sicilian here.

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Wolakota, Pace, Paz, Shalom, Peace
ahhhhhh do you have the same sometimes fiery temper sometimes slow burn as I do? I'm choctaw and either Irish or Scott

Howdy y'all!!
 

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I have some Cherokee from my mom's side. The rest of my genetic make up is mostly European. Scot-Irish, English, German. But there is a huge list of countries of people I am kin to. My dad's side was mainly Scot-Irish I think. If you saw my dad, and my grandma, you'd know. My son looks fully Irish. My old neighbor was Irish. Her mom came for a visit, took one look at my son, and knew he was Irish. When he was a baby, he burned in full shade once. I couldn't believe it. My daughter and I have skin that can easily tan. My ex has Cherokee, Irish, and Scottish too. So my kids have those 3 backgrounds, from both sides of their family. My son looks a lot like my father. My son is tall though, and my dad wasn't. My dad had auburn hair, just like his mom. My son, and my niece, both have strawberry blonde hair, with blue eyes. They are cousins, but look very much alike. I have always loved accents, and hearing about genealogy. It is fascinating to me. My brother's first daughter looks a lot like my mother. She had brown eyes, and dark hair, very high cheekbones. I look like both of my parents. I also got both of their personalities in many ways.
 

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ahhhhhh do you have the same sometimes fiery temper sometimes slow burn as I do? I'm choctaw and either Irish or Scott

Howdy y'all!!

Hmmmm. Temperament? Difficult for me to give a short concise reply.

I was born Feb.10, 1940, 3:54AM under the Northern Lights at a rez called Red Lake, Minnesota, mainly an Ojibwe(Chippewa) rez. At that time I was given by the tribal/BIA system(rather socialistic) my roll number, but as a Lakota(Sioux), since my dad(already a pretty committed alcoholic 34 years older than me) was Hunkpapa-Oglala Lakota from The Rosebud and Pine Ridge rezes, S.D. WW II started and we were moved in with my dad's parents on The Rosebud, S.D.

My Mom was a nice Sicilian girl, her family mostly being in Kansas City, Mo. Parents were married as a result of my 2 conniving grandfathers making a 'deal' in 1930, concerning a mineral resource in Pa'a Sapa. As we say, 'afare sono afare'(business is business).

So, from the Lakota side, I try to remember that Custer died for their sins.:)

From the Sicilian side I remember that if an issue needs to be 'mitigated' it's best to go 7-8 levels deep and hire a capable 'mechanic'. Never do anything in anger, just take care of business.;)

Wolakota, Pace, Paz, Shalom, Peace.

Afterthought.
?Your sig has me curious. If I were to say Sh'ma Yisrael Adonai...............what comes next?
My Mom's Sicilian side were expelled from Sicily about 1506. First came to Turtle Isle about 1680-90 through Shearit Yisrael, NYC, established 1656, all being good RCC on Sundays of course.

Faith is fine, I loathe reeeeeeeeeeeligion. I don't peddle reeeeeeeeeeligion! Do what'cha want.

Hope this doesn't offend, being bi-racial and multi cultural has been a real trip.
 

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Hmmmm. Temperament? Difficult for me to give a short concise reply.

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Hope this doesn't offend, being bi-racial and multi cultural has been a real trip.

Not at all, brother! I'm the one who should be apologizing for going so off-topic about the significance of a religious symbol in the REOlounge, just trying to pick things up since poor Deboodoo can't do it all on her own :lol:

Speaking as a bi-racial 'n multi cultural dude currently livin' in Amish country, ya can image I feel where ya coming from.

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So, from the Lakota side, I try to remember that Custer died for their sins.:)
Jup!

That's quite a story, and so great that you know so much of your lineage! I know the Rez's were very difficult, particularly pine ridge and rosebud. Not familiar with the one you were born on.
?Your sig has me curious. If I were to say Sh'ma Yisrael Adonai...............what comes next?
I'm not Jewish, more a Judeo Christian, but have a great love for Israel and the Hebrew people. But I believe it's.... Eloheinu Adonai echad. I did have to look it up for the last word. I'm with you, don't like religion, but my faith is important to me.

you have some of me in you ???
hehehe jup reckin I did put an extra T on there.

Not at all, brother! I'm the one who should be apologizing for going so off-topic about the significance of a religious symbol in the REOlounge, just trying to pick things up since poor Deboodoo can't do it all on her own :lol:
hehehe nothing is off topic in the lounge, it's a free for all place to just be social!!

Is Deb pregnant?!
omggggggg bite your tongue!! Right now, bite it really hard!!! lol Too funny though.
 
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Not at all, brother! I'm the one who should be apologizing for going so off-topic about the significance of a religious symbol in the REOlounge, just trying to pick things up since poor Deboodoo can't do it all on her own :lol:

Speaking as a bi-racial 'n multi cultural dude currently livin' in Amish country, ya can image I feel where ya coming from.

RhP

No need to apologize, none, ok?

Here's a little blurb form Wiki regarding the ZIA symbol, also New Mexico's flag, and the symbol for the Zia Tribe, here in NM, they are one of the Pueblo tribes, speak Keresan.
The Zia Sun symbol


The Zia Sun Symbol is featured on the New Mexico flag.
The Zia Indians of New Mexico regard the Sun as a sacred symbol. Their symbol, a red circle with groups of rays pointing in four directions, is painted on ceremonial vases, drawn on the ground around campfires, and used to introduce newborns to the Sun. Four is the sacred number of the Zia and can be found repeated in the four points radiating from the circle. The number four is embodied in:

  • the four points of the compass (north, south, east and west);
  • the four seasons of the year (spring, summer, autumn and winter);
  • the four periods of each day (morning, noon, evening and night);
  • the four seasons of life (childhood, youth, middle years and old age); and
  • the four sacred obligations one must develop (a strong body, a clear mind, a pure spirit, and a devotion to the welfare of others), according to the Zia's belief.
The symbol is featured on the Flag of New Mexico and in the design of both the New Mexico State Capitol and New Mexico's State Quarter entry as well as the state highway marker. But given its history, the Pueblo would like people to first request permission before using it.[13]
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We Lakota celebrate seasons, dances etc. as part of the sacred hoop(cycles in life), the 4 main directions and such, with tobacco of course, makes quitting cigs hard. I don't say too much about our native ways anymore, we're trying to close off from Euro-centric culture to preserve what little we have left.

Nowadays, usually last part of June, the tourists who come to see Wiwanyang wacipi (Sun Dance) and H'anblecha(piercing ceremony) and maybe a taste of our magic herbal P---te tea(careful you don't barf) kinda get to see the 'show' we choose to give y'all.

We do have Prairie Wind Casino, there is a god, now we have a casino, legalized scalping. Bring your money, gold teeth, clear titles and negotiable fiduciary paperwork and we'll give y'all a show.

The real thing is only for mitakuye oyasin.

End of December comes Howi wacipi, spirit dance, Ghost dance. Oyate Lakota only. This dance,which was a take-off of a very primitive conception of christianity, led to Dec. 29, 1890. My dad's mother, my grandmother, was one of the 51 survivors of the travesty that followed.

I can imagine living where you do Pat can be more than a bit dicey at times. I know, for me, trying to not live everyone's stereotype of "Indians" is provoking at times. Heck, we're just human beings and that's about it.
 

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we're trying to close off from Euro-centric culture to preserve what little we have left.
this is wonderful.......so much has been lost or has become something so different from the original that it's moot. I lived with a remnant band for some years, made up of various tribes, and we did many of the ceremonies as best we could. Many tribes, bands and clans were represented. It was wonderful having at least some of the culture daily.

I know, for me, trying to not live everyone's stereotype of "Indians" is provoking at times. Heck, we're just human beings and that's about it.
well put my brother!
 

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this is wonderful.......so much has been lost or has become something so different from the original that it's moot. I lived with a remnant band for some years, made up of various tribes, and we did many of the ceremonies as best we could. Many tribes, bands and clans were represented. It was wonderful having at least some of the culture daily.
One of the things that has helped us survive(We shall survive) is what you experienced above. It was caring, functioning community. Not me but rather 'we'. Native folk have been doing such since at least Peleg's day when the earth was divided.

There is another people group that has survived for 1000s of years, I'm sure you know who they are.


well put my brother!

Buona notte.
 

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"The Shema" comes from Deut. 6:4, it may also be connected to Deut. 11:19 I believe.

Shema Yisrael Adonai Eloheinu Adonai Echad.

Shema means hear and then act upon the teaching. It is a statement of faith, and a prayer all in one. Echad means One.

Then Ba-rook shem ka-vod mal-coo toe lay-olam vie-ed follows. I do not have the proper spelling for that. But I typed it the way it sounds to me.
The meaning below should be very close the the words in Hebrew. Shem means name. Baruch means blessed. The Hebrew may have YHVH in there instead. I studied a little bit of Hebrew years ago. But I have forgotten some of it. I like it because I can understand the bible a little more this way.

Hear O Israel Adonai is our God, Adonai is One.
Blessed is the name of God’s glorious kingdom.

Deb, I feel much the same way you do.
 
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No need to apologize, none, ok?

I can imagine living where you do Pat can be more than a bit dicey at times. I know, for me, trying to not live everyone's stereotype of "Indians" is provoking at times. Heck, we're just human beings and that's about it.

You got that right, brother. I'm greatful this topic came up and I got a chance to cross paths with you. I actually learned a thing or two from this interaction with you, kay, deb, etc believe it or not! Please feel free to drop me a private message or conversation if you ever wanna talk more at length about this, or heck, just to vent.. I got a thick skin, just like you probably.

It's been a pleasure dodari and I wish everyone a great start to a Friday in REOville along with a peaceful relaxing weekend, if possible.

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Much respect,

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