The "REAL" Current Situation - Atleast From Cash's Point Of View. See RED 
At the end of the day Rolygate, the USER is the one that:
A) Buys the ecig
B) Puts NICOTINE liquid (which in high concentrations could be lethal) in the ecig
C) Puts Batteries in said tube.
If you want to start regulating #1 and #3, you might as well start regulating the entire industry. BUT, were are at that same crossroads ... You are a DISCUSSION FORUM.
I feel like this is *big government* trying to control and regulate everything going on in the world of ecigs. Leave it in the hands of the (states/users) and known government judicial bodies. If a user wishes to use a certain type of battery or a certain mod, let them. If they did their due diligence, read reviews, and would still like to purchase, allow them too.
I think your governing, needs to stop at "Reviews" Incidents are out of your control. If there are said incidents, users learn and move on.
Many may agree to disagree, I'm giving you the perspective of one of the longest standing suppliers on ECF who at one point only sold mods for 7-8 months.
Your Opinion May Vary. I for one (just like when the ECA first appeared) will not be taking part in said "approvals committee". ECF should not be allowed to govern what I manufacturer and/or sell, the LAW and my Country's/State's/Counties Judiciary Bodies should.
Incidents involving mods
The known factors causing the risk are:
- Large capacity rechargeable batteries
A: False - A batteries capacity has nothing to do with a mod exploding
- Such batteries combined, especially in series
A: False - Both High and Low Capacity Batteries Have Had Issues
- No availability of high-voltage (HV) atomizers at present
A: And How Would a HV atty solve a Short in the Atomizer? The #1 Reason Why Mods Explode is due to a short in the atomizer itself. Adding resistance to an atomizer won't stop the mod from blowing up.
- Overvoltage being applied to atomizers that are designed to work at a maximum voltage, which HV mods exceed
A: False - Penstyle atomizers SHINE at HV's ... And this statement is all simply a users opinion.
- Use of cheap, unprotected rechargeable batteries
A: I can somewhat agree with this statement. Protected batteries do give an "added sense" of safety.
- No gas vent holes, or an insufficient number of holes, that would allow a faulty unprotected battery to degas with relative safety
A: Both a blessing and a curse really. Would you rather burn your face or your hand (and other parts of your body)
- Lack of a kill switch (a second 'transport' switch that allows the battery pack to be disconnected for travel and storage)
A: Its Called = Taking off the atomizer. Thus - Circuit is NO LONGER COMPLETE.
- The use of a cheap and under-specified switch for the main on/off switch
A: I can agree with you there ...
An intrinsically unsafe mod, combined with unsafe batteries, is a risk that should be avoided.
A: Roly - We all live in a world of unknowns ... The Vapor we inhale and exhale is still largely unknown, yet we don't avoid it - we run to it.
ECF viewpoint
The legal liability for selling products that may be subject to such issues is of a serious nature and cannot be avoided. Mods have caused injuries and it is inevitable, due to the refusal of mod builders to take this issue seriously, that worse is to come.
A: Legal Liability = You have NICOTINE liquid being used in 100% of every device made (Mod or Legit China Stuff) Are you stopping people from using 100+ MG liquid? How about 50mg+ liquid?
For this reason we are now faced with a difficult choice: either to ban mods, or ban those not proven safe, or issue extended and very obvious warnings to members and website visitors.
A: You have about every right of doing this, as I do stating Nicotine liquid can no longer be used in E-liquid. YOU and ECF are a GENERAL DISCUSSION FORUM. You carry ZERO liability for the purchase and therefore use of a product that may be seen or mentioned specifically on ECF. That's like seeing a cell phone on a review site like CNET, it blowing up next to your ear, and then taking your rage out on CNET. Lets be rational here Roly. For some unapparent reason, you guys feel like you are 100% responsible for everything bought, sold, and used in the Ecig world ... Why? I have no idea ... The fact (as stated above) is you are simply a gateway in to the world of ecigs. You don't manufacture, nor sell ANYTHING yourself except Member Donations and Vendor Sponsorships. Your liability ends there.
ECF - action now required
- We must warn buyers about the obvious and proven dangers. A: This is called "Due Diligence" Every buyer should do their "Due Diligence" before buying ANY product.
- We must publish our own interim safety specification. A: What is to govern what is safe and/or unsafe? You are a DISCUSSION BOARD. Nothing more, nothing less.
- We need to decide whether to stop the promotion of mods on ECF that do not comply; or alternatively, issue strong warnings that are unavoidable by visitors, against buying a mod unless it has guaranteed safety features. China Batteries can short just like Mod Batteries Can ... Will you be putting a stop to every single ecig supplier?
- We should advise people not to use unprotected batteries under any circumstances. Again, The user is the one who should *dictate* what goes in and out of THEIR OWN PERSONALLY OWNED ecig device.
- We should publish lists of safe batteries and known unprotected batteries. This Is Certainly a good idea
- We must try to get industry members to finally take this issue seriously. It is a VERY serious issue, and not one that should be taken lightly.
At the end of the day Rolygate, the USER is the one that:
A) Buys the ecig
B) Puts NICOTINE liquid (which in high concentrations could be lethal) in the ecig
C) Puts Batteries in said tube.
If you want to start regulating #1 and #3, you might as well start regulating the entire industry. BUT, were are at that same crossroads ... You are a DISCUSSION FORUM.
I feel like this is *big government* trying to control and regulate everything going on in the world of ecigs. Leave it in the hands of the (states/users) and known government judicial bodies. If a user wishes to use a certain type of battery or a certain mod, let them. If they did their due diligence, read reviews, and would still like to purchase, allow them too.
I think your governing, needs to stop at "Reviews" Incidents are out of your control. If there are said incidents, users learn and move on.
Many may agree to disagree, I'm giving you the perspective of one of the longest standing suppliers on ECF who at one point only sold mods for 7-8 months.
Your Opinion May Vary. I for one (just like when the ECA first appeared) will not be taking part in said "approvals committee". ECF should not be allowed to govern what I manufacturer and/or sell, the LAW and my Country's/State's/Counties Judiciary Bodies should.
