Round wire vs fused Clapton

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@Archane, by the sounds of it the Atmizoo Creek RDA may interest you as it does me. I'm cheap though and waiting for a good clone though.

But they have under coil airflow and an MTL positive post, and if they're anything like their Tripod RTA for flavour they're an option.

Just an idea though.

And I'm thinking around 0.34mm Stainless Steel round wire in TC mode may give some interesting results, about 6 spaced wraps should do but that's if you can fit them to the deck.
 

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I'm cheap though and waiting for a good clone though.
You will be waiting a very very long time. Due to the design of the Creek no cloner has tried since its release (Sep 2018). Save your money and buy the authentic. You'll thank me later.
 

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For round wire, I like 22ga kanthal 7 wraps no spaces at 2.5mm ID. a pair of these hit .20 to .22 ohm. If you want to get fancy, use 24ga and twist 2 strands together and wrap a coil with that. Similar results for resistance plus the extra surface area with little juice holding nooks and crannies. A bit trickier tactic is to make your own clapton wire. I tried this. Didn't work out for me so well but I didn't lose any sleep over it. My go to 22ga round wire coils work, they are sturdy and wont deform during wicking and with regular cleaning will last months and months.
 

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    If the coils are the same resistance and same metal, the Clapton will have much more surface area. At the same power, either the round should burn juice or the Clapton will be very underpowered. It is not an all-else-equal comparison, it changes several things. If your setup was optimized already with round wire, it would take a lot of effort to match it with another wire shape. There may be some more subtle effect of Clapton wire, but the largest advantage is for making large surface area coils of reasonable mass, including usable resistances for mech mods.
     

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    I like to build my Holic with either 316l 30x2/38 or 24ga Kanthal for a target resistance of about 0.5ohm for my mech or unregulated squonk mods.
    The fused claptons give me slightly more flavor, but the ramp up/cool down of the round wire build is better.
    So all in all I like 'em both.
     

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    Flat wire will give you more surface area and thus more flavor.

    @AngeNZ uses it all the time.

    I like 26/36 ss316L clapton wire from WireOptim. It's easy to work with (not springy) and provides great flavor.

    One of my favorites is NIFE 28AWG flat wire. Great surface area and low mass.


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    AngeNZ

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    One of my favorites is NIFE 28AWG flat wire. Great surface area and low mass.


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    Is it this wire you are using?
    NiFe48 Flat Wire 0.8x0.1mm / .031*.004" - AWG 28
    If so, how is it to coil with? I tried ka1 0.9mm x 0.1mm, and it was just too hard to coil. I'd love to get this, if it's not a pita to work with.

    I use 0.5mm x 0.2mm, which is roughly the equivalent to 27g round wire. It's easy to coil, and I love that you get lots of surface area - along with a fast ramp.

    Also used 0.8mm x 0.2mm, which is closer to 25g. It works great above 20 watts.
     
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    Is it this wire you are using?
    NiFe48 Flat Wire 0.8x0.1mm / .031*.004" - AWG 28
    If so, how is it to coil with? I tried ka1 0.9mm x 0.1mm, and it was just too hard to coil. I'd love to get this, if it's not a pita to work with.

    I use 0.5mm x 0.2mm, which is roughly the equivalent to 27g round wire. It's easy to coil, and I love that you get lots of surface area - along with a fast ramp.

    Also used 0.8mm x 0.2mm, which is closer to 25g. It works great above 20 watts.

    Yep. That is exactly the wire that I like to use. (the link you posted) Same vendor to.

    However, it may not be for the faint of heart. It is thin and flimsy. Very easy to coil - I just cut off a section and hand wind it around a jig. The mounting is not to difficult but being flimsy it needs help keeping its shape. The hard part is wicking it, I use Rayon and twist a section very tight - thread it through the coil and then untwist it to fill the coils.

    There for some time I was actively working and experimenting with high
    efficiency low mass build to prolong battery life.

    The coil I'm vaping right now is @30W and 440F. Plenty of vapor, good flavor and quick ramp time.

    I have spools of the 28 and 30AWG NiFe flatwire. (I even stuffed some in a Nautilus RBA!) Here's a picture of the build I have in a
    Aromizer Supreme V1:
    50447801086_1362f2bced.jpg
     
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    @GeorgeS, for making complex coils maybe.

    But using as is I never had any joy at all making a simple coil with 0.1mm ribbon, the dammed thing moved around more than Jamiraqai and that makes wicking interesting to impossible.

    While obviously not for everyone, I find it very easy to work with. Then again, most of my builds are with 26-28AWG. Here's a image of my lone (not bottom feed) RDA that I use for testing juices:

    50441962606_1c276e172a.jpg


    personally I never got the 'exotic builds' trend or the need for more than 30W for a single coils but then again I'm old and my tastebuds are likely failing anyway. (I use squankers for flavored juices)

    I should also note that as someone who only uses temperature controlled devices+builds that the temperature setting has a great effect on the flavor of your vape. Each juice seems to have a 'sweet spot' temperature wise for the best flavor.

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    Totally with you on that @GeorgeS, 0.2mm is easier to work with.

    But some widths are rare if not impossible to come by, as I think that round edge profile SS316L 0.6mm × 0.2mm flat wire could be very nice.

    But that's special order if you want any.

    I find the 0.1 wire is easy enough to work with. No need to special order anything. Given how rarely I need to wind/replace coils, I likely have a multiple lifetime supply of wire as it is. :)

    The flat wire I like using is fairly easy to wick as long as your not attempting to stuff to much of it inside the coil.

    While the common thought was/is to stuff as much rayon wick into your coil that you possibly can, I've stepped away from that for some time and simply FILL the inside of the coil with wick.

    Fairly easy to do with twisted Rayon. Rayon will compress fairly easy (and quite a bit) when you twist it. I just twist up a section, gently slide it into the coil and then untwist to fill the coil. Easy. Done.

    Then again, IMHO those that are seemingly on flavor quests ought to look into Squankers and temperature regulation instead of exotic wire types and more power. :)


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    Yep. That is exactly the wire that I like to use. (the link you posted) Same vendor to.

    However, it may not be for the faint of heart. It is thin and flimsy. Very easy to coil - I just cut off a section and hand wind it around a jig. The mounting is not to difficult but being flimsy it needs help keeping its shape. The hard part is wicking it, I use Rayon and twist a section very tight - thread it through the coil and then untwist it to fill the coils.

    There for some time I was actively working and experimenting with high
    efficiency low mass build to prolong battery life.

    The coil I'm vaping right now is @30W and 440F. Plenty of vapor, good flavor and quick ramp time.

    I have spools of the 28 and 30AWG NiFe flatwire. (I even stuffed some in a Nautilus RBA!) Here's a picture of the build I have in a
    Aromizer Supreme V1:
    50447801086_1362f2bced.jpg

    I hear you. Coiling was OK, installing the coil was hard work but I got it in. But installing the wick, and thoughts of rewicking in future, had me switch it for a 0.5mm x 0.2mm coil. Which has a similar heat capacity, but not as much surface area as a 0.9mm x 0.1mm.
     
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    AngeNZ

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    Totally with you on that @GeorgeS, 0.2mm is easier to work with.

    But some widths are rare if not impossible to come by, as I think that round edge profile SS316L 0.6mm × 0.2mm flat wire could be very nice.

    But that's special order if you want any.

    Not necessarily. Thunderhead creations make/made kanthal 0.5mm x 0.2mm. And if you can't find it, make your own like @RuiG has done:
    Hammer time!!!
     
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