Rumours (Clones Are Real)

[Heavyrocker]

I just seen a vid that says some clones are not clones but the real thing.Some workers leave the company that makes the orginals and takes the plans and makes them and sells them at low prices.I heard some Russian 91`s are the real deal but are marked as clones.

 

[SingedVapor]

It would be awesome if my Nemesis and Patriot were the real thing! On one hand I can believe it... Hmmm. Would that count as buying stolen property?


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[WattWick]

I read on the internet that all reals are real.

 

[tj99959]

The maker of the Russian was a co-designer of the kayfun. So in a sense a Russian is a kayfun.

And, that's all that was eluded to in the video.

 

[Jimi D.]

I have both clones and authentics. You can certainly see and feel the difference. The quality of the metal on the hand machined authentics vs. the quality of the metal from mass production. I enjoy them both.

 

[Heavyrocker]

I have both clones and authentics. You can certainly see and feel the difference. The quality of the metal on the hand machined authentics vs. the quality of the metal from mass production. I enjoy them both.

Im just takn bout the Russian tanks.

 

[Jimi D.]

Im just takn bout the Russian tanks.

The Kayfun was first introduced from Russia. The Russian 91 is a cloned Kayfun by the Chinese. So, how can that be the real deal?

 

[FACE MEAT]

I think it was Vapor Joe who insinuated that the some mod/atty makers are actually selling their own blueprints to Chinese cloners. This would explain how and why clones are hitting the market so quickly after the real mccoys.

Designers of the originals would likely receive a lump sum from the clone manufacturers and get a decent-quality clone into the hands of more vapers in hopes of convincing them to purchase the real deal.

 

[WattWick]

I think it was Vapor Joe who insinuated that the some mod/atty makers are actually selling their own blueprints to Chinese cloners. This would explain how and why clones are hitting the market so quickly after the real mccoys.

Designers of the originals would likely receive a lump sum from the clone manufacturers and get a decent-quality clone into the hands of more vapers in hopes of convincing them to purchase the real deal.

I think Vapor Joe greatly overestimates the difficulty of reverse engineering a mod or atty.

 

[Rule62]

Im just takn bout the Russian tanks.

The Kayfun was designed by SvoeMesto. The guy who makes the Russian worked for SM, and was instrumental in the original design. He then left SM, and went with a Chinese company to manufacture the Russian, using the design he worked on at SM.

 

[Heavyrocker]

The Kayfun was designed by SvoeMesto. The guy who makes the Russian worked for SM, and was instrumental in the original design. He then left SM, and went with a Chinese company to manufacture the Russian, using the design he worked on at SM.

You know your stuff,love you winged Dinosaur.

 

[RAMBOKNIFE]

What's the best kayfun clone?

I have one but it came in a blank package without a name

 

[CShaver]

The Kayfun was first introduced from Russia. The Russian 91 is a cloned Kayfun by the Chinese. So, how can that be the real deal?

Haven't read the rest of the thread, so if this is already stated, I apologize.

That being said, unfortunately, you are wrong. The Kayfun was designed by 2 people. One designed it, one manufactured it. They had a falling out, and the one who designed it started to make the Russian while the original manufacture continued to make the Kayfun. They are identical in design, as far as I can tell, and neither are clones. They are both authentic RBAs.

 

[skoony]

in china they do not have copy right laws as we know of, unless your tied in with a high party official
or general.they have there own set of rules if you catch my drift.
generally if you can determine the name of the manufacturer the rule of thumb is,
if they make the original there clones are identical in all respects.
there cheaper knock offs are primarily for the asian market.
do to high demand however a lot of the inferior stuff is ending up here,
and of course there are a lot of cheap clone manufacturers too.
regards
mike

 

[supermarket]

I think Vapor Joe greatly overestimates the difficulty of reverse engineering a mod or atty.

You are kidding yourself.


You do own a few reals right, and a few clones? If anything, the difference between most of the clones is the quality of parts, NOT the design itself.

Most of the clones are designed practically the same, with slight variances IF that. The qualities of the metals and manufacturing used is more in question than anything.

Also, this kind of thing isn't new. In the pharm industry, many 'generics' are manufactured by the SAME COMPANIES/FACTORIES that manufacture name-brand medicines. The only difference is the companies who put their names on the name brand buy a certain amount to stamp their name on....the rest get called generics and get sold for cheaper. Often times the SAME PRODUCT.

When china manufactures clones.....often times they are making the EXACT SAME PRODUCT.... except cutting costs by using cheap labor, someone's ELSES design, and cheaper metals.

Of course, that isn't always the case. Sometimes the china clones are just cheap china crap...a COMPLETELY inferior product. Other times....I've seen china clones that use high qualities metals. It is happening now. Virtually the exact same product, a complete replica.

Bottom line, if you are buying clones, do your research.

 

[SingedVapor]

The clones vs real to me has always been like...

Fruit Loops vs Fruit Hoops (storebrand)

You go to Wal-Mart and literally you could find storebrand everything. Sometimes it's as good as the real thing, sometimes it's crap. The post above is absolutely right when they said to do your research.


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[ScottP]

You are kidding yourself.


You do own a few reals right, and a few clones? If anything, the difference between most of the clones is the quality of parts, NOT the design itself.

Most of the clones are designed practically the same, with slight variances IF that. The qualities of the metals and manufacturing used is more in question than anything.

Also, this kind of thing isn't new. In the pharm industry, many 'generics' are manufactured by the SAME COMPANIES/FACTORIES that manufacture name-brand medicines. The only difference is the companies who put their names on the name brand buy a certain amount to stamp their name on....the rest get called generics and get sold for cheaper. Often times the SAME PRODUCT.

When china manufactures clones.....often times they are making the EXACT SAME PRODUCT.... except cutting costs by using cheap labor, someone's ELSES design, and cheaper metals.

Of course, that isn't always the case. Sometimes the china clones are just cheap china crap...a COMPLETELY inferior product. Other times....I've seen china clones that use high qualities metals. It is happening now. Virtually the exact same product, a complete replica.

Bottom line, if you are buying clones, do your research.

It is not hard to copy a RBA. Simply disassemble it, use the parts to make a mold, use the mold to make as many copies of the original as you want, and assemble the copies. You don't need blueprints or plans.

 

[Cloud Junky]

I have a clone Stingray and a buddy of mine has a real stingray and I only can see differences on the lower magnet knurling, The materials seem to be the same and the vape quality is the same as well. But I still think there is a difference that I cannot see in the two Stingray mods.

 

[msrfrog]

Very common in china. It all just comes down to the build quality of the copy. I have a 1/8 scale nitro buggy that is a clone and built like a tank. Runs great.

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[TheJakeBailey]

Per the Svoe Mesto Facebook, none of you are correct about the Russian. It's amazing how rumors grow and take on a life if their own. Before you know it, they are facts! Lol nobody from the company had anything to do with the Russian.